In Reply to: How Do We Have A Technical Conversation When We Have So Many Vocal Unrational Objectivists & Unrational Subjectivists? posted by thetubeguy1954 on March 29, 2007 at 11:08:36:
Sorry, but that's rubbish.Human hearing responds to sound pressure. To a lesser degree it responds to phase (group delay). It also responds to arrival times (interaural time delay). All those you can measure and very precisely so.
Of course no measurement will tell you which component sounds better. However, measurements will tell you which component is more accurate. Hifi is about accuracy of reproduction and IMO it's here where opinions diverge, whereas they should'nt.
If you record a solo instrument in an anechoic environment and play this recording at home over one speaker I think you won't know it's a recording, simply because the ambient cues from the place where the recording was made are not there so they can't mix with your room's ambient cues and cause confusion.
So you'd first have to define what this is all about: best sound or most accurate reproduction. In the first case there's no rational discussion possible, in the second case there is.
Klaus
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- Re : I believe it's quite apparent that today's accepted audio measurements do NOT correlate with what we hear. - KlausR. 00:47:49 03/30/07 (46)
- Sorry But You're Wrong... - thetubeguy1954 07:18:33 03/30/07 (11)
- Re: today's measurements do NOT correlate with what we hear - KlausR. 00:06:18 03/31/07 (3)
- I think you're missing at least one key point Klaus - Jim Austin 05:07:09 03/31/07 (2)
- How do you obtain fMRI measurements of a speaker:-) - KlausR. 05:49:08 03/31/07 (1)
- I don't think we're disagreeing exactly - Jim Austin 06:58:16 03/31/07 (0)
- One of your problems is that you think about words and not about things. - Pat D 08:20:08 03/30/07 (6)
- Re: Knowledgeable - KlausR. 00:38:25 03/31/07 (0)
- Re: One of your problems is that you think about words and not about things. - thetubeguy1954 11:32:32 03/30/07 (4)
- I just noticed another variation in your terminology. - Pat D 18:40:41 03/31/07 (2)
- Re: I just noticed another variation in your terminology. - thetubeguy1954 08:51:32 04/01/07 (1)
- You still don't explain what measurements you mean. - Pat D 12:34:49 04/01/07 (0)
- Re: One of your problems is that you think about words and not about things. - Pat D 12:45:30 03/30/07 (0)
- And this is where, as a musician, I part company with audiophiles - kerr 04:47:46 03/30/07 (33)
- Re: And this is where, as a musician, I part company with audiophiles - morricab 02:42:59 04/02/07 (1)
- I Am The Nail! - kerr 16:43:23 04/03/07 (0)
- Re: Unfortunately, the recording is not accurate to the original event - KlausR. 06:33:49 03/30/07 (30)
- You have hit upon THE biggest issue and misunderstanding in all of audio - Analog Scott 19:30:15 03/31/07 (24)
- Re: You have hit upon THE biggest issue and misunderstanding in all of audio - KlausR. 04:03:33 04/01/07 (23)
- Re: You have hit upon THE biggest issue and misunderstanding in all of audio - Analog Scott 08:46:59 04/01/07 (22)
- So, your audio goal is exactly the same as Julian Hirsch's! - Pat D 12:52:45 04/01/07 (21)
- The article you linked is from 2001 - kerr 07:28:42 04/02/07 (1)
- Re: The article you linked is from 2001 - Pat D 10:43:42 04/02/07 (0)
- Re: So, your audio goal is exactly the same as Julian Hirsch's! - Analog Scott 13:14:57 04/01/07 (18)
- Analog Scott - thetubeguy1954 08:16:42 04/02/07 (14)
- Don't worry about me. - Analog Scott 18:11:54 04/02/07 (0)
- Tubey wants "fixed opinions!" - Pat D 12:05:07 04/02/07 (4)
- Pat D-Cake Wants To Parrot Others... - thetubeguy1954 14:17:41 04/02/07 (3)
- Omigod! Tubey thinks "accepted audio measurements" are manufacturers specs!! - Pat D 17:58:05 04/02/07 (2)
- Re: Omigod! Pat D-Cake Always Needs The Obvious To Be Explained To Him! - thetubeguy1954 12:11:24 04/03/07 (1)
- Tubey changes the ground rules! - Pat D 12:53:57 04/03/07 (0)
- What's a "Rationalist"? - kerr 09:02:19 04/02/07 (7)
- Re: What's a "Rationalist"? - thetubeguy1954 11:43:31 04/02/07 (6)
- Impossible. - Pat D 12:16:53 04/02/07 (5)
- Quite Possible & True! - thetubeguy1954 12:46:01 04/03/07 (4)
- Re: Quite Possible & True! - Pat D 20:47:53 04/03/07 (3)
- Re: Quite Possible & True! - thetubeguy1954 12:06:03 04/04/07 (2)
- You write a long post to try to avoid the obvious. - Pat D 21:59:29 04/04/07 (1)
- I Write A Long Post To Try To Explain Whats Obvious To Everyone Else To You!. - thetubeguy1954 08:42:15 04/05/07 (0)
- Re: So, your audio goal is exactly the same as Julian Hirsch's! - Pat D 14:25:01 04/01/07 (2)
- Re: So, your audio goal is exactly the same as Julian Hirsch's! - Analog Scott 14:41:41 04/01/07 (1)
- Re: So, your audio goal is exactly the same as Julian Hirsch's! - Pat D 19:20:49 04/01/07 (0)
- Well, you obviously see my conundrum :) - kerr 06:52:25 03/30/07 (4)
- Re: Such as? :) - KlausR. 07:45:25 03/30/07 (3)
- Re: Such as? :) - Jim Austin 05:20:01 03/31/07 (1)
- Fakes - KlausR. 22:41:09 03/31/07 (0)
- Addendum - KlausR. 08:44:41 03/30/07 (0)