I happen not to agree with Peter - it is your labelling his opinion "religeous dogma" which is infantile. nt - clifff

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Topic - How Do We Have A Technical Conversation When We Have So Many Vocal Unrational Objectivists & Unrational Subjectivists? - thetubeguy1954 11:08:36 03/29/07 (139)

here is a starting point - tunenut 12:39:24 04/02/07 (0)

I agree, so why do subjectivists even visit this asylum? If they didn't visit and post, nothing would be posted here. nt - Norm 14:56:57 03/31/07 (1)

Do a woman's measurements tell you whether you'll like her after you meet her? - Richard BassNut Greene 09:58:33 03/31/07 (1)

Re: Do a woman's measurements tell you whether you'll like her after you meet her? - kerr 13:32:05 03/31/07 (0)

You can't without a babblefish - tomservo 09:54:55 03/31/07 (1)

"This gives them a clear map of the known territory." But THE MAP IS NOT THE TERRITORY! - clarkjohnsen 10:20:48 03/31/07 (0)

Personally, my favorite tweak is... - The Real Dick Hertz 08:56:16 03/31/07 (0)

Okay - well let's look at your example for starters. - Presto 14:04:31 03/30/07 (5)

I have a question for you - Russ57 09:45:07 03/31/07 (2)

Re: I have a question for you - Presto 16:38:45 04/01/07 (1)

My email is - Russ57 04:11:07 04/02/07 (0)

Re: Okay - well let's look at your example for starters. - john curl 16:16:35 03/30/07 (1)

But isn't this mostly true only for amps and preamps? - Russ57 07:31:52 03/31/07 (0)

"Subjectivists who believe you can simply place a block of some type of wood..." What's belief got to do with it? - clarkjohnsen 10:01:36 03/30/07 (0)

Re: Apparently you're not alone in your exasperation and skepticism - geoffkait 05:32:13 03/30/07 (15)

Re: Apparently you're not alone in your exasperation and skepticism - Posy Rorer 17:33:14 03/30/07 (1)

Peer reviewed does not mean correct, - Richard BassNut Greene 17:24:18 04/08/07 (0)

Geoff I Am Skeptical... But - thetubeguy1954 07:31:20 03/30/07 (9)

Re: Tubeguy, thanks for.. - geoffkait 08:56:30 03/30/07 (8)

Put me down for... - kerr 09:35:15 03/30/07 (6)

Re: Put me down for... - geoffkait 11:06:05 03/30/07 (0)

"I have no intention of trying your products." Excuse me, but... - clarkjohnsen 09:53:31 03/30/07 (4)

Soundmind!!!!!! - kerr 10:47:45 03/30/07 (3)

Re: Soundmind!!!!!! - morricab 02:26:28 04/02/07 (0)

I'll take the hip flask and the 78s... - robert young 14:12:53 03/31/07 (1)

Re: I'll take the hip flask and the 78s... - kerr 07:44:48 04/01/07 (0)

You're Welcome Geoff - thetubeguy1954 09:15:41 03/30/07 (0)

Re: Peer reviewed, one assumes - KlausR. 06:49:09 03/30/07 (2)

Re: Addendum - geoffkait 07:33:33 03/30/07 (0)

Re: Klaus - thanks for biting. That is my point exactly! - geoffkait 07:13:37 03/30/07 (0)

Re : I believe it's quite apparent that today's accepted audio measurements do NOT correlate with what we hear. - KlausR. 00:47:49 03/30/07 (46)

Sorry But You're Wrong... - thetubeguy1954 07:18:33 03/30/07 (11)

Re: today's measurements do NOT correlate with what we hear - KlausR. 00:06:18 03/31/07 (3)

I think you're missing at least one key point Klaus - Jim Austin 05:07:09 03/31/07 (2)

How do you obtain fMRI measurements of a speaker:-) - KlausR. 05:49:08 03/31/07 (1)

I don't think we're disagreeing exactly - Jim Austin 06:58:16 03/31/07 (0)

One of your problems is that you think about words and not about things. - Pat D 08:20:08 03/30/07 (6)

Re: Knowledgeable - KlausR. 00:38:25 03/31/07 (0)

Re: One of your problems is that you think about words and not about things. - thetubeguy1954 11:32:32 03/30/07 (4)

I just noticed another variation in your terminology. - Pat D 18:40:41 03/31/07 (2)

Re: I just noticed another variation in your terminology. - thetubeguy1954 08:51:32 04/01/07 (1)

You still don't explain what measurements you mean. - Pat D 12:34:49 04/01/07 (0)

Re: One of your problems is that you think about words and not about things. - Pat D 12:45:30 03/30/07 (0)

And this is where, as a musician, I part company with audiophiles - kerr 04:47:46 03/30/07 (33)

Re: And this is where, as a musician, I part company with audiophiles - morricab 02:42:59 04/02/07 (1)

I Am The Nail! - kerr 16:43:23 04/03/07 (0)

Re: Unfortunately, the recording is not accurate to the original event - KlausR. 06:33:49 03/30/07 (30)

You have hit upon THE biggest issue and misunderstanding in all of audio - Analog Scott 19:30:15 03/31/07 (24)

Re: You have hit upon THE biggest issue and misunderstanding in all of audio - KlausR. 04:03:33 04/01/07 (23)

Re: You have hit upon THE biggest issue and misunderstanding in all of audio - Analog Scott 08:46:59 04/01/07 (22)

So, your audio goal is exactly the same as Julian Hirsch's! - Pat D 12:52:45 04/01/07 (21)

The article you linked is from 2001 - kerr 07:28:42 04/02/07 (1)

Re: The article you linked is from 2001 - Pat D 10:43:42 04/02/07 (0)

Re: So, your audio goal is exactly the same as Julian Hirsch's! - Analog Scott 13:14:57 04/01/07 (18)

Analog Scott - thetubeguy1954 08:16:42 04/02/07 (14)

Don't worry about me. - Analog Scott 18:11:54 04/02/07 (0)

Tubey wants "fixed opinions!" - Pat D 12:05:07 04/02/07 (4)

Pat D-Cake Wants To Parrot Others... - thetubeguy1954 14:17:41 04/02/07 (3)

Omigod! Tubey thinks "accepted audio measurements" are manufacturers specs!! - Pat D 17:58:05 04/02/07 (2)

Re: Omigod! Pat D-Cake Always Needs The Obvious To Be Explained To Him! - thetubeguy1954 12:11:24 04/03/07 (1)

Tubey changes the ground rules! - Pat D 12:53:57 04/03/07 (0)

What's a "Rationalist"? - kerr 09:02:19 04/02/07 (7)

Re: What's a "Rationalist"? - thetubeguy1954 11:43:31 04/02/07 (6)

Impossible. - Pat D 12:16:53 04/02/07 (5)

Quite Possible & True! - thetubeguy1954 12:46:01 04/03/07 (4)

Re: Quite Possible & True! - Pat D 20:47:53 04/03/07 (3)

Re: Quite Possible & True! - thetubeguy1954 12:06:03 04/04/07 (2)

You write a long post to try to avoid the obvious. - Pat D 21:59:29 04/04/07 (1)

I Write A Long Post To Try To Explain Whats Obvious To Everyone Else To You!. - thetubeguy1954 08:42:15 04/05/07 (0)

Re: So, your audio goal is exactly the same as Julian Hirsch's! - Pat D 14:25:01 04/01/07 (2)

Re: So, your audio goal is exactly the same as Julian Hirsch's! - Analog Scott 14:41:41 04/01/07 (1)

Re: So, your audio goal is exactly the same as Julian Hirsch's! - Pat D 19:20:49 04/01/07 (0)

Well, you obviously see my conundrum :) - kerr 06:52:25 03/30/07 (4)

Re: Such as? :) - KlausR. 07:45:25 03/30/07 (3)

Re: Such as? :) - Jim Austin 05:20:01 03/31/07 (1)

Fakes - KlausR. 22:41:09 03/31/07 (0)

Addendum - KlausR. 08:44:41 03/30/07 (0)

Is this a strawman? - Lynn 21:29:46 03/29/07 (1)

I Don't Believe So... - thetubeguy1954 08:21:22 03/30/07 (0)

Groundhog Day and the sound of one hand clapping furiously (nt) - AJinFLA 18:20:02 03/29/07 (0)

I believe it's quite apparent that today's accepted audio measurements do NOT correlate with what we hear. - Robert Hamel 17:50:51 03/29/07 (4)

Re: I believe it's quite apparent that today's accepted audio measurements do NOT correlate with what we hear. - thetubeguy1954 10:17:41 03/30/07 (3)

Re: I believe it's quite apparent that today's accepted audio measurements do NOT correlate with what we hear. - May Belt 10:58:07 03/30/07 (2)

Caca tweak, Virgin piss... - Wellfed 11:27:28 03/31/07 (1)

Re: Caca tweak, Virgin piss... - john curl 21:36:24 03/31/07 (0)

Well, the Posting Rules at the Asylum are a good place to start. - Pat D 17:15:01 03/29/07 (10)

You Mean Like Agreeing & Later Disagreeing With The Same Statement Like You Do Pat? - thetubeguy1954 09:35:52 03/30/07 (9)

So you actually respond to nothing in my thoughtful post. - Pat D 11:50:58 03/30/07 (8)

Re: So you actually respond to nothing in my thoughtful post. - thetubeguy1954 13:24:15 03/30/07 (7)

You certainly carry a lot of baggage! - Pat D 21:34:20 03/30/07 (6)

Yeah You're Correct My Baggage Is Called Having To Talk With Pat D! Trust Me It's A Burden I could Do Without... - thetubeguy1954 11:31:17 04/02/07 (5)

You give me an bad nickname, so I gave you a nice one, O Tubed One. - Pat D 13:20:15 04/02/07 (4)

Good Or Bad Nickname? - thetubeguy1954 06:21:42 04/04/07 (3)

Pardon me, but you're the one worrying about nicknames. Link supplied. I pointed out your name-calling. - Pat D 00:00:09 04/05/07 (2)

Pardon me, But You're Distorting The Truth Once Again. - thetubeguy1954 10:37:33 04/05/07 (1)

When you get some experience - Pat D 14:38:26 04/05/07 (0)

When you post things like - clifff 13:52:55 03/29/07 (1)

Re: When you post things like - thetubeguy1954 14:09:03 03/29/07 (0)

Guess we can't... - rick_m 12:22:29 03/29/07 (3)

Re: Guess we can't... - thetubeguy1954 14:08:00 03/29/07 (2)

Re: Guess we can't... - rick_m 09:42:15 03/30/07 (0)

The secret lies... - Wellfed 21:14:06 03/29/07 (1)

Re: How Do We Have A Technical Conversation When We Have So Many Vocal Unrational Objectivists & Unrational Subjectivist - kerr 12:18:01 03/29/07 (36)

Re: How Do We Have A Technical Conversation When We Have So Many Vocal Unrational Objectivists & Unrational Subjectivist - thetubeguy1954 14:28:34 03/29/07 (34)

Perhaps it's just that the two sides need to see the merit in each other - kerr 17:51:41 03/29/07 (1)

Sometimes Someone Is Just Incorrect... - thetubeguy1954 11:28:03 03/30/07 (0)

BTW, UNrational does not exist - IRRational is the word you are looking for. - clifff 14:43:15 03/29/07 (4)

That's hysterical! - robert young 19:33:49 03/29/07 (3)

All This Is From A Guy Who Claims He Doesn't Read My Posts Anymore - thetubeguy1954 14:18:29 03/30/07 (1)

It was in the title - didn't need to read the post. nt - clifff 14:51:31 03/30/07 (0)

It shows the depths to which some descend in their depravity. (How's my spelling?) nt - clarkjohnsen 09:45:42 03/30/07 (0)

I happen not to agree with Peter - it is your labelling his opinion "religeous dogma" which is infantile. nt - clifff 14:35:31 03/29/07 (26)

I'm Clifff I Don't Like What The Tubeguy Says WAAAAA - thetubeguy1954 14:27:22 03/30/07 (25)

Yes, I know your defective education was not your fault, but your very bad manners certainly are. nt - clifff 14:55:15 03/30/07 (24)

Re: Yes, I know your defective education was not your fault, but your very bad manners certainly are. nt - thetubeguy1954 09:07:28 04/01/07 (23)

Subjectivists vs Objectivists, For Me The Battle Is Over! - At least I don't lie tubeguy - AJinFLA 13:26:16 04/01/07 (22)

Are You Really This Ignorant? - thetubeguy1954 11:56:40 04/02/07 (12)

Oh, I see. You weren't lying about the "Battle" being over. You simply changed your mind. Right. Gotcha :-) nt - AJinFLA 18:25:18 04/02/07 (11)

No Stupid The Post Wasn't About Obj vs Subj It Was About Irrational People From Both... (nt) - thetubeguy1954 06:05:09 04/04/07 (1)

It's not over. As predicted. Put yourself on your own "Liars List" now (nt) - AJinFLA 14:43:54 04/04/07 (0)

He means he killed you but you won't stay dead! :) - kerr 09:08:16 04/03/07 (8)

Re: He means he killed you but you won't stay dead! :) - AJinFLA 18:29:21 04/03/07 (7)

Re: He means he killed you but you won't stay dead! :) - kerr 04:46:37 04/04/07 (6)

Re: He means he killed you but you won't stay dead! :) - AJinFLA 16:37:03 04/04/07 (5)

Re: He means he killed you but you won't stay dead! :) - kerr 04:47:36 04/05/07 (4)

I Have No Desire To Kill Polly --- I Want To Make Some Speakers! - thetubeguy1954 12:19:15 04/06/07 (2)

OMG this is hysterical. YOU are going to ditch the computer speakers and DIY a dipole! Mr. Anti-measurement, copious eq - AJinFLA 05:37:47 04/07/07 (1)

More Stupidity From POLLYinFLA - thetubeguy1954 10:16:04 04/09/07 (0)

Re: He means he killed you but you won't stay dead! :) - AJinFLA 19:07:13 04/05/07 (0)

Re: Subjectivists vs Objectivists, For Me The Battle Is Over! - At least I don't lie tubeguy - Pat D 20:01:40 04/01/07 (8)

I Wanted To Be Like You Pat & Change My Mind (nt) - thetubeguy1954 11:46:53 04/02/07 (7)

Yet you complain when others change theirs. - Pat D 13:24:49 04/02/07 (6)

What's Good For The Goose Pat D-Cake.... (nt) - thetubeguy1954 06:01:37 04/04/07 (1)

Actually, I keep hoping you will change your mind for the better on a number of matters. - Pat D 11:50:38 04/04/07 (0)

Nah. He just complains. Period. (nt) - AJinFLA 18:32:13 04/02/07 (3)

Not Complaining, Just Explaining How Wrong You Are Polly... (nt) - thetubeguy1954 06:02:37 04/04/07 (2)

Quit whining (nt) - AJinFLA 03:44:21 04/05/07 (1)

Quit Parroting Putrid POVs (nt) - thetubeguy1954 06:59:17 04/06/07 (0)

Re: How Do We Have A Technical Conversation When We Have So Many Vocal Unrational Objectivists & Unrational Subjectivist - Tre' 13:56:03 03/29/07 (0)

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I happen not to agree with Peter - it is your labelling his opinion "religeous dogma" which is infantile. nt - clifff 14:35:31 03/29/07 (26)

I'm Clifff I Don't Like What The Tubeguy Says WAAAAA - thetubeguy1954 14:27:22 03/30/07 (25)

Yes, I know your defective education was not your fault, but your very bad manners certainly are. nt - clifff 14:55:15 03/30/07 (24)

Re: Yes, I know your defective education was not your fault, but your very bad manners certainly are. nt - thetubeguy1954 09:07:28 04/01/07 (23)

Subjectivists vs Objectivists, For Me The Battle Is Over! - At least I don't lie tubeguy - AJinFLA 13:26:16 04/01/07 (22)

Are You Really This Ignorant? - thetubeguy1954 11:56:40 04/02/07 (12)

Oh, I see. You weren't lying about the "Battle" being over. You simply changed your mind. Right. Gotcha :-) nt - AJinFLA 18:25:18 04/02/07 (11)

No Stupid The Post Wasn't About Obj vs Subj It Was About Irrational People From Both... (nt) - thetubeguy1954 06:05:09 04/04/07 (1)

It's not over. As predicted. Put yourself on your own "Liars List" now (nt) - AJinFLA 14:43:54 04/04/07 (0)

He means he killed you but you won't stay dead! :) - kerr 09:08:16 04/03/07 (8)

Re: He means he killed you but you won't stay dead! :) - AJinFLA 18:29:21 04/03/07 (7)

Re: He means he killed you but you won't stay dead! :) - kerr 04:46:37 04/04/07 (6)

Re: He means he killed you but you won't stay dead! :) - AJinFLA 16:37:03 04/04/07 (5)

Re: He means he killed you but you won't stay dead! :) - kerr 04:47:36 04/05/07 (4)

I Have No Desire To Kill Polly --- I Want To Make Some Speakers! - thetubeguy1954 12:19:15 04/06/07 (2)

OMG this is hysterical. YOU are going to ditch the computer speakers and DIY a dipole! Mr. Anti-measurement, copious eq - AJinFLA 05:37:47 04/07/07 (1)

More Stupidity From POLLYinFLA - thetubeguy1954 10:16:04 04/09/07 (0)

Re: He means he killed you but you won't stay dead! :) - AJinFLA 19:07:13 04/05/07 (0)

Re: Subjectivists vs Objectivists, For Me The Battle Is Over! - At least I don't lie tubeguy - Pat D 20:01:40 04/01/07 (8)

I Wanted To Be Like You Pat & Change My Mind (nt) - thetubeguy1954 11:46:53 04/02/07 (7)

Yet you complain when others change theirs. - Pat D 13:24:49 04/02/07 (6)

What's Good For The Goose Pat D-Cake.... (nt) - thetubeguy1954 06:01:37 04/04/07 (1)

Actually, I keep hoping you will change your mind for the better on a number of matters. - Pat D 11:50:38 04/04/07 (0)

Nah. He just complains. Period. (nt) - AJinFLA 18:32:13 04/02/07 (3)

Not Complaining, Just Explaining How Wrong You Are Polly... (nt) - thetubeguy1954 06:02:37 04/04/07 (2)

Quit whining (nt) - AJinFLA 03:44:21 04/05/07 (1)

Quit Parroting Putrid POVs (nt) - thetubeguy1954 06:59:17 04/06/07 (0)