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In Reply to: RE: It's never been done - ML was the closest posted by Charles Hansen on August 24, 2017 at 14:33:18:
Meridian's Ultra DAC was discussed at the time but I declined for the reasons I stated.
I generally spend about 2 months with review gear so I would not say these DACs were unfamiliar to me. I also owed the Mytek Stereo192-DSD DAC for some time and now the Brooklyn and there is certainly a Mytek 'house sound'.
How is it that you want to discount reviews and other reports based on unfamiliarity with music, gear, room, etc yet hold up Rick Rubin's show demo as having value?
Let me try to be clear about my position regarding MQA - today anyone with a Tidal HiFi account can listen to MQA-encoded files at up to 24/96 without an MQA DAC. New titles are added on a regular basis and it's my understanding this will continue.
So this entire 'does MQA sound better/worse" can be tested by anyone interested *in the way they'd use it*. Not doing A/B comparisons of a handful of *tracks* over and over.
I have zero interest in doing *A/B comparison of a few tracks over and over* in an attempt to say something about MQA mainly because, as I've said on numerous occasions, there are other factors that are more important. The DAC being one of them. I have also purchased a non-MQA DAC recently and wrote about it so my position is very clear if you read what I write. Clearly some people here prefer to read what other people write about what I write to know about what I write. I'm not saying you do this, but a shitload of people here do.
There are clearly other people/reviewers who seem very interested in what you are proposing. Perhaps one of them will pick up this ball.
Besides, I'm currently working on something that I find much more interesting and which I believe may have a far greater impact on improving the quality of stereo reproduction. This will keep me busy for some time.
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Follow Ups Full ThreadTopic - Is Issak Garvey banned? - 4everyoung 18:08:23 08/15/17 (225)
- I'm glad we got that cleared up! - E-Stat 15:08:15 08/25/17 (3)
- Not yet....where' s Issak? - 4everyoung 16:27:03 08/26/17 (1)
- RE: Not yet....where' s Issak? - Charles Hansen 20:24:24 08/26/17 (0)
- Had to give up.... - Ivan303 20:28:18 08/25/17 (0)
- RE: Is Issak Garvey banned? - Inmate51 14:57:29 08/24/17 (0)
- Sue, look what you started... - mkuller 12:22:43 08/22/17 (7)
- And the mods blamed it on Issak - 4everyoung 13:14:59 08/22/17 (0)
- I had to go buy a 42 inch monitor to see the rightmost posts - DAP 12:37:26 08/22/17 (5)
- I love the smell of MQA in the morning :-) - 4everyoung 06:43:19 08/23/17 (4)
- I always know when the ranting is going full blast when the threads head off the page big time... LOL - 3+4=5 20:18:20 08/23/17 (0)
- I was thinking of Tuco in the Good, the Bad and the Ugly - DAP 10:45:14 08/23/17 (2)
- RE: I was thinking of Tuco in the Good, the Bad and the Ugly - 4everyoung 13:45:18 08/23/17 (1)
- You didn't! Others did. - DAP 14:17:20 08/23/17 (0)
- Mikey and Doogie - double28 16:33:57 08/21/17 (1)
- Mikey likes vinyl - Michael Lavorgna 16:40:37 08/21/17 (0)
- If repetitive posts were stricken... - mlsstl 19:55:18 08/20/17 (1)
- RE: If repetitive posts were stricken... - fmak 05:57:17 08/22/17 (0)
- I agree - Dave_K 06:15:09 08/18/17 (17)
- RE: I agree - Mel 13:55:48 08/20/17 (0)
- RE: I agree - nvinyl66 05:53:01 08/20/17 (14)
- I think he would.. - Charles Hansen 14:30:42 08/20/17 (13)
- MQA CDs - Charles Hansen 21:42:35 08/20/17 (11)
- RE: MQA CDs - Doug Schneider 09:34:36 08/21/17 (10)
- There is one benefit of the MQA CD.... - 4everyoung 10:12:15 08/21/17 (9)
- RE: There is one benefit of the MQA CD.... - Doug Schneider 10:32:47 08/21/17 (8)
- Bingo! - Charles Hansen 11:10:52 08/21/17 (7)
- Big Steps Back? - Doug Schneider 12:12:20 08/21/17 (6)
- Have you seen the latest issue of TAS? - 4everyoung 13:49:09 08/26/17 (5)
- RE: Have you seen the latest issue of TAS? - Charles Hansen 14:33:11 08/26/17 (0)
- Turntable recommendation - Charles Hansen 14:30:56 08/26/17 (3)
- Where do I sign up? - 4everyoung 13:30:48 08/27/17 (0)
- RE: Arm recommendation - Charles Hansen 15:26:27 08/26/17 (1)
- RE: Arm recommendation - Mark Hoepfl 21:49:38 08/26/17 (0)
- RE: I think he would.. - 4everyoung 18:30:48 08/20/17 (0)
- I agree with Dave K point-by-point. - Charles Hansen 01:44:25 08/20/17 (0)
- I hope that it is permanent..... - viridian 20:44:37 08/17/17 (1)
- Agree! - Salectric 03:04:40 08/18/17 (0)
- RE: Is Issak Garvey banned? - fantja 03:52:55 08/16/17 (170)
- RE: Is Issak Garvey banned? - raya 07:15:31 08/16/17 (169)
- RE: Is Issak Garvey banned? - Mel 10:29:30 08/16/17 (168)
- Stereophile and MQA... - mkuller 10:54:44 08/16/17 (167)
- RE: Stereophile and MQA... - Mel 13:27:55 08/16/17 (1)
- RE: Stereophile and MQA... - Ivan303 21:54:17 08/16/17 (0)
- As I recall - DAP 12:08:04 08/16/17 (164)
- Stereophile and MQA... - mkuller 12:25:29 08/16/17 (163)
- RE: Stereophile and MQA... - Mel 13:34:23 08/16/17 (151)
- RE: Stereophile and MQA... - Jeffrey Lee 15:13:10 08/18/17 (0)
- A brief summary - 13th Duke of Wymbourne 18:12:55 08/17/17 (144)
- That's One Way to Look At It. - Charles Hansen 00:26:48 08/22/17 (0)
- A further summary - 13th Duke of Wymbourne 16:51:59 08/21/17 (7)
- Totally disagree with your point #2 - Charles Hansen 20:31:02 08/21/17 (3)
- RE: Totally disagree with your point #2 - 13th Duke of Wymbourne 17:34:43 08/24/17 (2)
- RE: Totally disagree with your point #2 - Charles Hansen 22:16:16 08/24/17 (0)
- RE: Totally disagree with your point #2 - Doug Schneider 20:03:56 08/24/17 (0)
- RE: A further summary - Michael Lavorgna 17:04:08 08/21/17 (2)
- RE: A further summary - 13th Duke of Wymbourne 17:49:52 08/24/17 (1)
- RE: A further summary - Michael Lavorgna 18:49:40 08/24/17 (0)
- "...it is clear that all the Stereophile reviewers are very positive"... - Steve O 21:31:37 08/17/17 (5)
- RE: "...it is clear that all the Stereophile reviewers are very positive"... - 13th Duke of Wymbourne 12:34:35 08/18/17 (2)
- It's not clear to me that MQA necessarily results in "better" sound... - Steve O 13:08:32 08/18/17 (1)
- RE: It's not clear to me that MQA necessarily results in "better" sound... - 13th Duke of Wymbourne 13:55:43 08/18/17 (0)
- It's also doubtful that _all_ the Stereophile reviewers are very positive ... - DAP 05:43:43 08/18/17 (1)
- RE: It's also doubtful that _all_ the Stereophile reviewers are very positive ... - 13th Duke of Wymbourne 12:36:23 08/18/17 (0)
- "MQA is presented as an improvement in sound quality" - DAP 20:54:29 08/17/17 (128)
- RE: "MQA is presented as an improvement in sound quality" - John Atkinson 16:13:22 08/18/17 (49)
- RE: "MQA is presented as an improvement in sound quality" - rt66indierock 15:57:45 08/21/17 (5)
- RE: "MQA is presented as an improvement in sound quality" - John Atkinson 11:07:41 08/22/17 (2)
- RE: "MQA is presented as an improvement in sound quality" - rt66indierock 09:08:12 08/24/17 (1)
- RE: "MQA is presented as an improvement in sound quality" - John Atkinson 09:52:59 08/24/17 (0)
- RE: "MQA is presented as an improvement in sound quality" - ahendler 20:02:51 08/21/17 (1)
- RE: "MQA is presented as an improvement in sound quality" - Charles Hansen 20:33:18 08/21/17 (0)
- RE: "MQA is presented as an improvement in sound quality" - DAP 03:51:50 08/19/17 (41)
- RE: "MQA is presented as an improvement in sound quality" - John Atkinson 04:09:54 08/19/17 (40)
- Thanks nt - DAP 16:54:47 08/19/17 (0)
- RE: "MQA is presented as an improvement in sound quality" - Doug Schneider 07:29:00 08/19/17 (38)
- It doesn't exist if Doug hasn't heard it? - Michael Lavorgna 17:44:01 08/19/17 (37)
- Have you heard MQA. If so, compared to what? nt - Rick W 19:38:38 08/19/17 (15)
- There's this - DAP 09:10:10 08/20/17 (1)
- Thanks. I'm 1/2 way thru, finish reading later. nt - Rick W 16:50:08 08/20/17 (0)
- I've been writing about MQA... - Michael Lavorgna 21:17:12 08/19/17 (12)
- RE: I've been writing about MQA...Not for - fmak 09:18:14 08/22/17 (5)
- I think "promoting" is the wrong word - DAP 10:06:44 08/22/17 (3)
- RE: I think "promoting" is the wrong word - ahendler 12:50:27 08/23/17 (1)
- RE: I think "promoting" is the wrong word - Charles Hansen 13:29:57 08/23/17 (0)
- RE: I think "promoting" is the wrong word - why not? - fmak 13:30:56 08/22/17 (0)
- RE: I've been writing about MQA...Not for - Michael Lavorgna 09:32:22 08/22/17 (0)
- I can see why nobofy likes you - 4everyoung 22:17:12 08/19/17 (5)
- LOL! - mkuller 14:32:15 08/20/17 (3)
- Although it seems Michael likes Sue better than Doug - DAP 19:12:47 08/20/17 (2)
- Is this high school? - mkuller 20:03:37 08/20/17 (1)
- Or perhaps another episode of "As the Table Turns" nt - DAP 21:07:26 08/20/17 (0)
- Clearly - Michael Lavorgna 00:00:39 08/20/17 (0)
- RE: It doesn't exist if Doug hasn't heard it? - Doug Schneider 17:49:36 08/19/17 (20)
- Oh please. - Michael Lavorgna 17:51:38 08/19/17 (19)
- RE: Oh please - You need to desist - fmak 13:25:01 08/22/17 (14)
- RE: Oh please - You need to desist - Michael Lavorgna 13:31:58 08/22/17 (13)
- RE: Oh please - You need to desist and respect - fmak 23:37:48 08/22/17 (12)
- Do you see the irony, Fred? - Michael Lavorgna 01:33:31 08/23/17 (11)
- this is a forum and I'm really not a fan - fmak 10:36:39 08/23/17 (10)
- The real truth about MQA - Michael Lavorgna 11:18:05 08/23/17 (9)
- RE: The real truth about MQA - fmak 00:51:41 08/24/17 (1)
- Here's the answer, Fred. - Michael Lavorgna 06:45:41 08/24/17 (0)
- RE: The real truth about MQA - ahendler 12:53:13 08/23/17 (0)
- Why the snark? - Beetlemania 11:50:33 08/23/17 (5)
- It's never been done - ML was the closest - Charles Hansen 14:26:57 08/23/17 (4)
- RE: It's never been done - ML was the closest - Michael Lavorgna 06:33:30 08/24/17 (3)
- RE: It's never been done - ML was the closest - Charles Hansen 14:33:18 08/24/17 (2)
- RE: It's never been done - ML was the closest - Michael Lavorgna 15:23:56 08/24/17 (1)
- RE: It's never been done - ML was the closest - Charles Hansen 23:14:26 08/24/17 (0)
- RE: Oh please. - Doug Schneider 17:54:36 08/19/17 (3)
- Methinks Michael enjoys the occasional libation.... - Ivan303 19:31:49 08/19/17 (2)
- RE: Methinks Michael enjoys the occasional libation.... - fmak 13:43:01 08/23/17 (0)
- Methinks... - Michael Lavorgna 21:14:27 08/19/17 (0)
- RE: "MQA is presented as an improvement in sound quality" - Doug Schneider 17:38:40 08/18/17 (0)
- On Comparisons... - Doug Schneider 14:07:16 08/18/17 (75)
- I'm with you, Doug - 4everyoung 14:54:07 08/19/17 (74)
- RE: I'm with you, Doug - John Atkinson 06:03:52 08/20/17 (72)
- RE: I'm with you, Doug - 4everyoung 09:04:27 08/20/17 (70)
- RE: I'm with you, Doug - John Atkinson 09:45:16 08/20/17 (68)
- Yahbut... - Charles Hansen 14:25:32 08/20/17 (66)
- RE: Yahbut... - Doug Schneider 07:24:29 08/21/17 (62)
- Tidal - Michael Lavorgna 08:10:38 08/21/17 (58)
- RE: Tidal - Doug Schneider 09:18:10 08/21/17 (57)
- RE: Tidal - Michael Lavorgna 09:28:26 08/21/17 (56)
- RE: Tidal - John Atkinson 10:59:50 08/21/17 (16)
- RE: Tidal - Michael Lavorgna 11:17:21 08/21/17 (15)
- Uhm.. - Charles Hansen 11:32:06 08/21/17 (14)
- RE: Uhm.. - ahendler 20:18:38 08/21/17 (1)
- RE: Uhm.. - Charles Hansen 20:47:09 08/21/17 (0)
- RE: Uhm.. - Michael Lavorgna 11:43:18 08/21/17 (11)
- RE: Uhm.. - Charles Hansen 12:09:51 08/21/17 (10)
- I don't even like streaming - fmak 10:43:42 08/23/17 (2)
- RE: I don't even like streaming - ahendler 12:55:37 08/23/17 (1)
- RE: I don't even like streaming - fmak 13:40:46 08/23/17 (0)
- RE: Uhm.. - ahendler 20:23:08 08/21/17 (1)
- RE: Uhm.. - Charles Hansen 20:52:33 08/21/17 (0)
- RE: Uhm.. - Michael Lavorgna 12:20:52 08/21/17 (4)
- RE: Tidal - Doug Schneider 09:36:35 08/21/17 (38)
- RE: Tidal - Michael Lavorgna 09:43:10 08/21/17 (37)
- RE: Tidal - Doug Schneider 09:49:38 08/21/17 (36)
- RE: Tidal - ahendler 20:35:07 08/21/17 (0)
- RE: Tidal - Michael Lavorgna 09:59:28 08/21/17 (34)
- Do I understand this correctly? - Rick W 10:30:30 08/21/17 (16)
- RE: Do I understand this correctly? - Michael Lavorgna 10:42:06 08/21/17 (15)
- Ok, thanks for the info. nt - Rick W 11:31:08 08/21/17 (0)
- At least one other big problem with this - Charles Hansen 11:25:18 08/21/17 (13)
- RE: At least one other big problem with this - ahendler 20:42:03 08/21/17 (1)
- RE: At least one other big problem with this - Charles Hansen 21:03:55 08/21/17 (0)
- RE: At least one other big problem with this - Michael Lavorgna 11:29:42 08/21/17 (10)
- Wake up, please - Charles Hansen 11:52:07 08/21/17 (9)
- RE: Wake up, please - ahendler 20:44:52 08/21/17 (0)
- I'll also remind you , Charley... - Michael Lavorgna 12:15:18 08/21/17 (2)
- remind you - fmak 09:02:13 08/24/17 (1)
- I give up - on you - Michael Lavorgna 09:04:18 08/24/17 (0)
- RE: Wake up, please - Doug Schneider 11:59:54 08/21/17 (3)
- RE: Wake up, please - MIchael Lavorgna 14:13:23 08/21/17 (2)
- RE: Wake up, please - Doug Schneider 18:36:00 08/21/17 (1)
- RE: Wake up, please - Michael Lavorgna 08:02:04 08/22/17 (0)
- RE: Wake up, please - Michael Lavorgna 11:54:26 08/21/17 (0)
- RE: Tidal - Doug Schneider 10:05:08 08/21/17 (16)
- RE: Tidal - Michael Lavorgna 10:10:20 08/21/17 (15)
- RE: Tidal - Doug Schneider 10:25:30 08/21/17 (14)
- RE: Tidal - Michael Lavorgna 10:35:52 08/21/17 (13)
- RE: Tidal - Doug Schneider 10:39:14 08/21/17 (12)
- " if you haven't look outside your own space" - DAP 15:09:01 08/21/17 (1)
- RE: " if you haven't look outside your own space" - Doug Schneider 19:33:34 08/21/17 (0)
- RE: Tidal - Michael Lavorgna 10:52:00 08/21/17 (9)
- RE: Tidal - Doug Schneider 11:16:59 08/21/17 (8)
- RE: Tidal - Michael Lavorgna 11:18:59 08/21/17 (7)
- RE: Tidal - Doug Schneider 11:27:05 08/21/17 (6)
- RE: Tidal - Michael Lavorgna 14:18:56 08/21/17 (5)
- RE: Tidal - rt66indierock 16:05:10 08/21/17 (4)
- Here you go chief - Michael Lavorgna 16:17:42 08/21/17 (0)
- RE: Tidal - Michael Lavorgna 16:10:06 08/21/17 (2)
- RE: Tidal - rt66indierock 18:13:58 08/21/17 (1)
- Keeping score? - Michael Lavorgna 22:57:29 08/21/17 (0)
- Couldn't SoundStage do those comparisons as well? nt - DAP 07:40:33 08/21/17 (2)
- Definitely, but... - Doug Schneider 09:22:00 08/21/17 (1)
- RE: Definitely, but... - fmak 09:09:12 08/24/17 (0)
- Ooh I know! - Michael Lavorgna 15:32:27 08/20/17 (2)
- How enlightening. nt - Rick W 15:53:34 08/20/17 (1)
- Thank You - Michael Lavorgna 15:54:50 08/20/17 (0)
- RE: I'm with you, Doug - Doug Schneider 09:56:38 08/20/17 (0)
- RE: I'm with you, Doug - Doug Schneider 09:07:36 08/20/17 (0)
- RE: I'm with you, Doug - Doug Schneider 08:53:42 08/20/17 (0)
- RE: I'm with you, Doug - Doug Schneider 15:24:35 08/19/17 (0)
- RE: "MQA is presented as an improvement in sound quality" - 13th Duke of Wymbourne 12:31:23 08/18/17 (1)
- RE: "MQA is presented as an improvement in sound quality" - Charles Hansen 14:45:44 08/24/17 (0)
- Yeah, referring to him and his writers as 'shills' has little to do with it... - Ivan303 15:15:05 08/16/17 (4)
- 'shills' ... - mkuller 15:51:54 08/16/17 (3)
- RE: 'shills' ... - Ivan303 16:25:30 08/16/17 (2)
- RE: 'shills' ... - John Atkinson 04:12:13 08/17/17 (1)
- Which only makes sense. - Charles Hansen 21:29:51 08/21/17 (0)
- Just a couple of points - DAP 13:28:59 08/16/17 (10)
- Two Years... - Doug Schneider 07:56:08 08/17/17 (2)
- "many of the magazines we have today probably won't be here" - DAP 10:41:00 08/17/17 (1)
- RE: "many of the magazines we have today probably won't be here" - Doug Schneider 12:55:19 08/17/17 (0)
- Stereophile and MQA... - mkuller 13:50:23 08/16/17 (6)
- RE: Stereophile and MQA... - Jeffrey Lee 15:21:01 08/18/17 (1)
- RE: Stereophile and MQA... - fmak 09:17:17 08/24/17 (0)
- Art Dudley has a narrow range of interest - 13th Duke of Wymbourne 18:19:42 08/17/17 (0)
- You make strange statements :-) - DAP 22:09:14 08/16/17 (0)
- WTF does that have to do with what he said? - Rick W 14:13:34 08/16/17 (1)
- Everything...(nt) - mkuller 15:36:42 08/16/17 (0)
- Yes, he needed some more vacation (mt) - Rod M 19:49:38 08/15/17 (13)
- RE: Yes, he needed some more vacation (mt) - SpotcheckBilly12345 10:31:19 08/16/17 (11)
- RE: Yes, he needed some more vacation (mt) - Rod M 13:07:27 08/16/17 (10)
- "We tend to deal with the squeaky wheels based on Alerts"... - Steve O 08:29:44 08/17/17 (5)
- RE: "We tend to deal with the squeaky wheels based on Alerts"... - Rod M 10:01:31 08/17/17 (4)
- I would think placing the offending posts into a temporary place first.. - 3+4=5 11:43:38 08/18/17 (2)
- Or, move them to the Whoad - E-Stat 13:17:31 08/18/17 (0)
- RE: I would think placing the offending posts into a temporary place first.. - Mr_Steady 12:30:12 08/18/17 (0)
- Thanks for insights; seems reasonably "fair & balanced" (nt) - Steve O 11:37:54 08/17/17 (0)
- RE: Yes, he needed some more vacation (mt) - Mel 13:49:11 08/16/17 (3)
- every time? - DAP 14:11:18 08/16/17 (2)
- No, Just Most of the Time. nt - Mel 22:29:27 08/16/17 (0)
- I say 'value added'. Folks who add value certainly SHOULD get a pass more than - 3+4=5 16:16:56 08/16/17 (0)
- How about banning "MQA"? - Frihed89 09:03:22 08/16/17 (0)
- Perhaps he just needed a - E-Stat 19:17:45 08/15/17 (2)
- JA seemed to be in a good mood today... - 4everyoung 19:46:21 08/15/17 (1)
- RE: JA seemed to be in a good mood today... - John Atkinson 11:45:56 08/16/17 (0)
Follow Ups
- RE: It's never been done - ML was the closest - Michael Lavorgna 15:23:56 08/24/17 (1)
- RE: It's never been done - ML was the closest - Charles Hansen 23:14:26 08/24/17 (0)