In Reply to: Addressing One Point posted by thetubeguy1954 on March 20, 2007 at 13:28:34:
Tubeguy,I respect your position. I'm not going to try to talk you out of it. I have myself argued that it's one thing to KNOW something and another thing to PROVE it. And that, here, is a key difference.
You have no obligation to anyone, least of all me, to prove to me that you really hear what you hear. And you're free to dismiss my objections as misguided or even offensive-though they are not intended to be, as I said.
Yet, as the saying goes (more or less), extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. I would settle for ANY proof. And what May, and Geoff, are claiming is nothing if not extraordinary.
I stand by what I said. There's something deep in the human psyche that wants to believe in its own perceptions. And maybe, in your case, those perceptions are perfectly real. But those of us who haven't heard what you heard--or, anyway, who haven't been convinced that what we thought we heard was real--have other, simpler, more probable explanations to fall back on. I don't expect it to be a popular position, but there you go.
And by the way, I certainly accept that training the ear is possible. I have experienced it myself. I can easily identify things now that I may not even have heard a few years ago--when my ears were probably better but less well trained. But there's a world of difference between a dip at 3 kHz and a photo in the freezer. Yes, you can hear real differences, and whatever claims you make (or don't make) for yourself, I'm sure you can do so with considerable skill. But you--and me--also hear differences that aren't there.
Respectfully,
Jim
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Follow Ups
- Re: Addressing One Point - Jim Austin 13:48:53 03/20/07 (34)
- Addressing One Point, Once Again... - thetubeguy1954 09:38:15 03/21/07 (33)
- Re: Addressing One Point, Once Again... - Jim Austin 10:18:23 03/21/07 (32)
- Re: Addressing One Point, Once Again... - thetubeguy1954 14:05:49 03/21/07 (29)
- Tom, I had the same experience with a Shakti stone... - robert young 17:45:10 03/21/07 (27)
- Re: Tom, I had the same experience with a Shakti stone... - thetubeguy1954 09:53:55 03/22/07 (6)
- Re: Tom, I had the same experience with a Shakti stone... - Posy Rorer 09:50:46 03/26/07 (5)
- Re: Tom, I had the same experience with a Shakti stone... - thetubeguy1954 08:54:44 03/27/07 (4)
- Re: Tom, I had the same experience with a Shakti stone... - Posy Rorer 19:09:52 03/27/07 (3)
- Results Of Over-Dampening? - thetubeguy1954 07:15:23 03/29/07 (2)
- Re: Results Of Over-Dampening? - Posy Rorer 02:11:59 03/30/07 (1)
- "I can hear the sound change from moving a dime on a loudspeaker by a mm or so" = I do not believe you - Richard BassNut Greene 17:20:18 04/08/07 (0)
- Maybe you and Tom could start a support group for those whose minds are affected by Magic Stones and Bricks - AJinFLA 19:09:01 03/21/07 (19)
- I don't think so, AJ. - robert young 04:56:12 03/22/07 (18)
- Re: I don't think so, AJ. - AJinFLA 16:48:27 03/25/07 (14)
- Comprehension skills a little weak, AJ? - robert young 04:59:07 03/26/07 (13)
- Comprehension of nonsense skills a little weak? Yep. Can't match ya there Rob - AJinFLA 18:44:54 03/26/07 (4)
- Sadly, that's the reply I expected. - robert young 07:25:49 03/27/07 (3)
- Re: Sadly, that's the reply I expected. - thetubeguy1954 09:43:21 03/27/07 (2)
- If I can find it... - robert young 10:58:02 03/27/07 (1)
- Heres My Info - thetubeguy1954 13:24:33 03/27/07 (0)
- Re: Now, be nice to AJinFLA... - geoffkait 07:40:00 03/26/07 (7)
- Too funny, Geoff. - robert young 07:53:50 03/26/07 (6)
- Re: Too funny, Geoff. - geoffkait 10:55:56 03/26/07 (5)
- I preferred the post you deleted. - robert young 12:34:15 03/26/07 (4)
- Re: I preferred the post you deleted. - geoffkait 13:19:20 03/26/07 (3)
- Your posturing is absurd. - robert young 13:43:57 03/26/07 (2)
- Re: Your posturing is absurd. - geoffkait 14:05:11 03/26/07 (1)
- Yawn. (nt) - robert young 14:06:21 03/26/07 (0)
- POLLYinFLA Is A Coward Who Hides Behind His PC - thetubeguy1954 10:43:48 03/22/07 (2)
- It's just not that important.... - robert young 15:39:53 03/22/07 (1)
- I Agree - thetubeguy1954 12:50:48 03/23/07 (0)
- Re: Addressing One Point, Once Again... - john curl 15:56:58 03/21/07 (0)
- Re: Addressing One Point, Once Again... - john curl 11:08:49 03/21/07 (1)
- "Historically, no" - Jim Austin 11:31:17 03/21/07 (0)