In Reply to: Re: The thing is... posted by andy19191 on March 20, 2007 at 00:08:04:
...is that the whole thing became increasingly convoluted and acrimonious as time progressed.The summary thread you refer to is actually Kramer's own private little playground. He, and he alone, comes up with this 'summary' view. What you see there is what Kramer wants you to see. He doesn't leave a lot out, but what he does is certainly crafty.
"The reason I continued reading was that your behaviour was a bit different to that I had seen before of a few audiophiles preparing in public for a controlled listening test of cables and then backing out."
Is there an inference here that I somehow backed out of being tested? If it is I'd like to see you try and support the notion.
"Your answer to my question has only confirmed my view of what was probably going on based on the threads."
This point is worthy of further elaboration on your part.
"Some aspects of Kramer's performance probably deserve criticism but set against the overall process this is again a detail. Most of the apparent issues occurred towards the end when the prospect of a test occurring was effectively over."
Kramer's performance is the chief detail as to why this testing never came to fruition. He took great pains to make it look like something else, including the use of outright lies. What does that tell YOU about the guy? What does that tell YOU about the 'negotiation' process? What does that tell YOU about the integrity of the JREF Challenge?
"If you want to lay this to rest after all this time my guess is that you will need to get somebody you really trust like a member of your family to explain to you how and why you were at fault during the first half of the process. Even though I suspect you cannot see it yourself others can."
First half, last half...I don't claim perfection, but I assure you, between JREF and myself, I was the only party honestly working toward seeing a test come into being. Why you, and others like you, can not see that is the real issue here. Kramer's betrayal of his fellow sceptics pains me more than his treatment of myself because I know the truth. As yet, you guys don't. The aggravating thing for me is it's like you guys don't want the truth. And seriously more aggravating yet, it seems that Kramer was banking on just that. It's downright disgusting IME.
As always, specifics available upon request.
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Follow Ups
- The truth of the matter... - Wellfed 05:07:48 03/20/07 (29)
- Re: The truth of the matter... - andy19191 09:42:44 03/20/07 (24)
- Would you care to join clifff and myself in examining the facts?... - Wellfed 10:01:10 03/20/07 (23)
- Hey! I have not agreed to anything - clifff 11:23:21 03/20/07 (6)
- Desperate?... - Wellfed 12:05:28 03/20/07 (5)
- My benefit??? - clifff 12:19:55 03/20/07 (4)
- You're sceptical I see... - Wellfed 12:32:19 03/20/07 (3)
- It was aslready over by then - but you can't see it, and never will! - clifff 12:40:49 03/20/07 (2)
- Stating your opinion in a civil manner is not impolite... - Wellfed 07:46:57 03/21/07 (1)
- Thank you. Of course. and the same to you. nt - clifff 10:14:32 03/21/07 (0)
- Yeah, the "paranormal" thing is another hitch in their procedure. nt - clarkjohnsen 11:06:32 03/20/07 (0)
- Re: Would you care to join clifff and myself in examining the facts?... - andy19191 10:24:08 03/20/07 (14)
- I seldom pause to consider how the chip functions... - Wellfed 11:26:49 03/20/07 (13)
- Re: I seldom pause to consider how the chip functions... - andy19191 13:02:21 03/20/07 (12)
- My apologies for my tardy reply... - Wellfed 23:02:23 03/20/07 (11)
- Re: My apologies for my tardy reply... - andy19191 01:26:51 03/21/07 (10)
- Facts be damned then?... - Wellfed 07:07:54 03/21/07 (9)
- Re: Facts be damned then?... - andy19191 07:46:20 03/21/07 (8)
- Just kidding about the 'science'... - Wellfed 08:06:37 03/21/07 (7)
- Re: Just kidding about the 'science'... - andy19191 09:19:25 03/21/07 (6)
- Well Andy, here goes... - Wellfed 12:46:40 03/23/07 (5)
- Re: Well Andy, here goes... - andy19191 05:00:16 03/24/07 (4)
- Earth to Andy... - Wellfed 06:11:15 03/24/07 (3)
- The JREF?? You mean the JOKE-REF! - Posy Rorer 11:38:02 04/01/07 (2)
- Re: The JREF?? You mean the JOKE-REF! - andy19191 12:18:28 04/02/07 (1)
- You think showing up again on this thread lends you any credibility?... - Wellfed 23:51:24 04/02/07 (0)
- You seem to be on a religious kick... - clifff 06:48:46 03/20/07 (3)
- May I assume you are now willing to look at the facts then?... - Wellfed 09:01:24 03/20/07 (2)
- Yes, of course, but "the facts" are much more than just your opinion. nt - clifff 09:28:24 03/20/07 (1)
- Of course facts are much more than my opinion... - Wellfed 09:42:16 03/20/07 (0)