In Reply to: The hearing aid example you mention is apt! posted by Enophile on November 6, 2008 at 14:15:46:
Your quote :-
>>> "Do normal people buy hearing aids in order to achieve super human hearing ability?
Or, do they need them in order to be able to more closely hear things like you and I do, naturally?
Hearing aids are a 'remedial' tool.
I would say that there are many tweaks that work the same way, remedially, at best.
This notion also easily exlpains why so many people do not hear the result of remedial tweaks. They do not require remediation.
May, you claim to work with the hearing impaired, and I believe you." <<<
WOW !!!!
Many of the tweaks are "remedial" ??? !!!!!!
WOW !!!!
>>> "May, you claim to work with the hearing impaired, and I believe you." <<<
WOW - some jibe !!! I don't think that sentence was meaning just those few simple words - "May works with the hearing impaired." I think that sentence was meant to extend out much further, to extend to others !! In your rush to 'rubbish' me you have also inferred that many hundreds of people, by using various 'tweaks', "MUST require such remediation".
So, Enophile, I will repeat the questions I asked you some time ago but will alter them slightly.
I asked you certain questions regarding your concept that people who hear 'various tweaks' are "needing" them as a 'prop', as a 'talisman', as a 'ritual' and I quoted various 'tweaks' which certain well known and respected journalists had stated had 'improved their sound'.
I asked you if, in your opinion, THEY only 'heard' those 'tweaks' working (improving their sound) because they 'needed' them as props, talismen, rituals ??
Turning these same questions around slightly I ask :-
Are you saying that such as John Atkinson "heard" painting the outer edge of a CD with the Green pen improve his sound because that 'tweak' was a "remedial tool" which he needed to enable him to hear what you say you are hearing naturally ???
Are you saying that such as Michael Fremer "heard" demagnetising CDs and LPs improve his sound because that 'tweak' was a "remedial tool" which he needed to enable him to hear what you say you are hearing naturally ???
Are you saying that such as John Atkinson "heard" attaching Harmonic Dots to his speaker cabinets give him improvements in his sound because that 'tweak' is a "remedial tool" which he needs to enable him to hear what you say you are hearing naturally ???
And therefore, by that (your) definition, so do many other people !!!
I can't believe how you choose to 'jibe out' so many people.
Regards,
May Belt.
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Follow Ups
- RE: The hearing aid example you mention is apt! - May Belt 02:58:17 11/07/08 (54)
- Some good questions. - Enophile 10:57:05 11/07/08 (53)
- RE: Some good questions. - anthonyh 11:04:56 12/11/08 (0)
- "the placebo effect wore off." - dave c 04:57:00 11/11/08 (1)
- The placebo effect is a real effect, as well. - Enophile 09:50:34 11/11/08 (0)
- So, prepaid gym memberships are placebos. - rick_m 10:55:17 11/09/08 (42)
- "As far as reviewers using tweaks, that's the last thing in the world they should do." - geoffkait 11:34:54 11/09/08 (41)
- RE: "As far as reviewers using tweaks, that's the last thing in the world they should do." - rick_m 19:04:44 11/09/08 (40)
- RE: "But I do feel that gear should be able to work well in the real world without band-aids." - geoffkait 06:33:51 11/10/08 (39)
- RE: "But I do feel that gear should be able to work well in the real world without band-aids." - rick_m 08:27:09 11/10/08 (38)
- RE: "But I do feel that gear should be able to work well in the real world without band-aids." - May Belt 12:05:40 11/10/08 (32)
- RE: "But I do feel that gear should be able to work well in the real world without band-aids." - rick_m 13:28:11 11/10/08 (31)
- RE: "But I do feel that gear should be able to work well in the real world without band-aids." - May Belt 04:25:00 11/12/08 (30)
- RE: "But I do feel that gear should be able to work well in the real world without band-aids." - rick_m 09:21:50 11/12/08 (29)
- It is a well known - unclestu52 10:47:33 11/12/08 (28)
- RE: It is a well known - rick_m 19:33:09 11/12/08 (18)
- RE: "Schumann generators I'm thinking of generate about a 10Hz magnetic field from an internal loop antenna." - geoffkait 11:08:37 11/13/08 (17)
- A magnetic thought. - rick_m 12:24:54 11/13/08 (15)
- Sally Fields - geoffkait 13:05:36 11/13/08 (14)
- And yet - unclestu52 11:44:11 11/14/08 (13)
- I wish I could agree - geoffkait 12:50:20 11/14/08 (12)
- RE: I wish I could agree - unclestu52 23:50:55 11/15/08 (11)
- Loops and radiation. - rick_m 13:01:11 11/16/08 (9)
- Ahhh...... - unclestu52 21:20:08 11/16/08 (3)
- RE: Ahhh...... - rick_m 09:17:03 11/17/08 (2)
- RE: Ahhh...... - unclestu52 11:54:29 11/17/08 (1)
- RE: Ahhh...... - rick_m 17:58:09 11/17/08 (0)
- Innocent Q - geoffkait 16:22:49 11/16/08 (4)
- Equivocating A - rick_m 18:37:16 11/16/08 (3)
- RE: Equivocating A - geoffkait 06:40:39 11/17/08 (2)
- RE: Equivocating A - rick_m 09:19:04 11/17/08 (1)
- RE: Equivocating A - geoffkait 09:57:50 11/17/08 (0)
- Puzzling - geoffkait 11:02:29 11/16/08 (0)
- RE: "Schumann generators I'm thinking of generate about a 10Hz magnetic field from an internal loop antenna." - rick_m 11:57:01 11/13/08 (0)
- Q for Stu - geoffkait 17:56:03 11/12/08 (8)
- RE: Q for Stu - unclestu52 11:25:58 11/13/08 (7)
- RE: "the Schuman is 7.83 Hz a very long frequency." - geoffkait 12:54:12 11/13/08 (6)
- RE: Sally Fields - rick_m 13:13:34 11/13/08 (5)
- W.C. Fields - geoffkait 14:06:21 11/13/08 (4)
- Oh I wish I had thought of that! - rick_m 18:33:05 11/13/08 (3)
- Strawberry Fields - geoffkait 05:33:31 11/14/08 (2)
- Schumann generators - unclestu52 11:16:46 11/10/08 (2)
- RE: Schumann generators - rick_m 12:38:07 11/10/08 (0)
- RE: Schumann generators - May Belt 12:06:33 11/10/08 (0)
- RE: " Others, you for instance, are much less forthright about the putative mechanism of your offerings. " - geoffkait 10:25:57 11/10/08 (1)
- RE: " Proprietary," - rick_m 11:14:10 11/10/08 (0)
- RE: Some good questions. - May Belt 06:17:32 11/09/08 (5)
- Taking a Tice Clock out of a reference system is equivalent to skipping kabob marination one time? - Enophile 15:16:59 11/10/08 (4)
- RE: Taking a Tice Clock out of a reference system is equivalent to skipping kabob marination one time? - May Belt 04:26:54 11/12/08 (0)
- Ya gotta ask yourself - geoffkait 16:05:06 11/10/08 (2)
- Not me. I guess you'll have to ask Fremer why it fell out of his system. - Enophile 17:03:45 11/10/08 (1)
- RE: Not me. I guess you'll have to ask Fremer why it fell out of his system. - geoffkait 17:19:28 11/10/08 (0)
- Gotta say dude... - musetap 14:50:30 11/07/08 (0)