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In Reply to: Objective vs Subjective... posted by mkuller on September 20, 2015 at 09:29:01:
Objective is metrics- how does something measure. How something sounds "different", objectively, requires a physical measurement, rather than someone's opinion, which is simply subjective, regardless of who makes the observation. Why? Because measurements are not subject to bias, tastes, or other foibles of human perception. You can't argue with an oscilloscope. A SN ratio is a defined quantity. Your claim of what constitutes a "better" amp, without any defined physical metrics, is simply your subjective opinion. And we all have those...
Experts don't agree. That's the whole point. Human perceptions differ, tastes differ.
Some people like distortion, some don't. Some prefer signal fidelity, some want what they perceive to be a "live sound", which is simply their conception of a live sound, as there is no one "live sound".
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Follow Ups Full ThreadTopic - I would say nearly all amplifier designs are conceptually WRONG! - morricab 01:11:19 09/18/15 (390)
- Absolutely correct - genungo 11:36:05 10/01/15 (2)
- RE: Absolutely correct - A.Wayne 12:07:40 10/01/15 (1)
- RE: Absolutely correct - genungo 12:23:09 10/01/15 (0)
- RE: I would say nearly all amplifier designs are conceptually WRONG! - petalue@yandex.com 04:32:33 09/25/15 (1)
- RE: I would say nearly all amplifier designs are conceptually WRONG! - morricab 06:08:41 09/25/15 (0)
- And Your Amp Is Better, How? - Inmate51 20:37:29 09/22/15 (55)
- RE: And Your Amp Is Better, How? - Tre' 20:54:08 09/22/15 (54)
- So measurements do matter? Single ended and low distortion in the same sentence? nt - kuribo 05:55:05 09/23/15 (53)
- Who said measurements don't matter? - Tre' 08:51:13 09/23/15 (52)
- You are merely justifying your preference with ... - Feanor 06:18:45 09/25/15 (21)
- RE: You are merely justifying your preference with ... - Tre' 12:39:43 09/25/15 (20)
- "At what point is 81st inaudible?" - Feanor 06:11:52 09/26/15 (19)
- RE: "At what point is 81st inaudible?" - morricab 13:21:23 09/26/15 (12)
- I guess Soundstage has good test equipment - Feanor 17:17:07 09/26/15 (11)
- RE: I guess Soundstage has good test equipment - morricab 11:47:17 09/27/15 (9)
- RE: I guess Soundstage has good test equipment - A.Wayne 17:34:00 09/26/15 (0)
- Like Putseys has said, if you use feedback, use a lot...nt - kuribo 06:28:14 09/26/15 (5)
- Indeed, (though Pass doesn't agree) - Feanor 06:38:48 09/26/15 (4)
- In Pass's feedback article, he makes an offhand negative assumption about using high amounts of feedback - kuribo 07:05:59 09/26/15 (3)
- One answer seems obvious - Feanor 07:34:50 09/26/15 (2)
- RE: One answer seems obvious - morricab 13:32:33 09/26/15 (0)
- Agreed....How can something inaudible be an issue, in any case....nt - kuribo 07:57:20 09/26/15 (0)
- Where do you get your "audibility" theorem? - kuribo 13:16:52 09/23/15 (29)
- No response Tre? nt - kuribo 05:13:00 09/24/15 (0)
- RE: Where do you get your "audibility" theorem? - Garg0yle 14:59:58 09/23/15 (25)
- RE: Where do you get your "audibility" theorem? - morricab 07:02:02 09/24/15 (2)
- RE: Where do you get your "audibility" theorem? - A.Wayne 07:55:36 09/24/15 (1)
- RE: Where do you get your "audibility" theorem? - morricab 12:59:35 09/24/15 (0)
- RE: Where do you get your "audibility" theorem? - A.Wayne 16:07:33 09/23/15 (3)
- RE: Where do you get your "audibility" theorem? - Garg0yle 16:27:10 09/23/15 (2)
- RE: Where do you get your "audibility" theorem? - A.Wayne 16:37:43 09/23/15 (1)
- RE: Where do you get your "audibility" theorem? - Garg0yle 16:54:12 09/23/15 (0)
- RE: Where do you get your "audibility" theorem? - Tre' 16:03:50 09/23/15 (6)
- RE: Where do you get your "audibility" theorem? - A.Wayne 16:12:21 09/23/15 (5)
- RE: Where do you get your "audibility" theorem? - Tre' 16:32:03 09/23/15 (4)
- RE: Where do you get your "audibility" theorem? - A.Wayne 16:39:56 09/23/15 (3)
- RE: Where do you get your "audibility" theorem? - Tre' 16:49:18 09/23/15 (2)
- RE: Where do you get your "audibility" theorem? - morricab 03:20:16 09/24/15 (1)
- RE: Where do you get your "audibility" theorem? - Tre' 08:37:43 09/24/15 (0)
- Haven't you been warned about posts such as this? - kuribo 15:02:43 09/23/15 (10)
- RE: Haven't you been warned about posts such as this? - Garg0yle 15:06:02 09/23/15 (9)
- I'm well aware of my restrictions and following them. The question is, why aren't you? nt - kuribo 15:22:09 09/23/15 (8)
- RE: I'm well aware of my restrictions and following them. The question is, why aren't you? nt - Garg0yle 15:29:58 09/23/15 (7)
- And ... - The Bored 07:48:43 09/24/15 (5)
- RE: And ... - Garg0yle 14:37:35 09/24/15 (1)
- RE: And ... - The Bored 17:02:16 09/24/15 (0)
- RE: And ... - Inmate51 09:05:38 09/24/15 (2)
- I agree, and furthermore, if those that don't are going to be discriminated against, why not make it a rule? n - kuribo 13:16:26 09/24/15 (0)
- RE: And ... - Tre' 09:28:16 09/24/15 (0)
- RE: I'm well aware of my restrictions and following them. The question is, why aren't you? nt - A.Wayne 16:09:52 09/23/15 (0)
- RE: Where do you get your "audibility" theorem? - A.Wayne 13:47:24 09/23/15 (1)
- I see something, but at -120dB, I don't hear anything....nt - kuribo 13:54:35 09/23/15 (0)
- RE: I would say nearly all amplifier designs are conceptually WRONG! - noway 08:05:53 09/22/15 (9)
- RE: I would say nearly all amplifier designs are conceptually WRONG! - morricab 10:43:10 09/22/15 (7)
- RE: I would say nearly all amplifier designs are conceptually WRONG! - noway 23:09:12 09/22/15 (1)
- RE: I would say nearly all amplifier designs are conceptually WRONG! - morricab 01:49:54 09/23/15 (0)
- RE: I would say nearly all amplifier designs are conceptually WRONG! - A.Wayne 10:48:46 09/22/15 (4)
- RE: I would say nearly all amplifier designs are conceptually WRONG! - morricab 01:50:53 09/23/15 (3)
- RE: I would say nearly all amplifier designs are conceptually WRONG! - A.Wayne 03:42:18 09/23/15 (2)
- RE: I would say nearly all amplifier designs are conceptually WRONG! - morricab 03:28:24 09/24/15 (0)
- Ridiculous to call a set amp design "best" if your reference is "live music" levels with real speakers... - kuribo 06:02:34 09/23/15 (0)
- RE: I would say nearly all amplifier designs are conceptually WRONG! - Garg0yle 09:32:18 09/22/15 (0)
- RE: I would say nearly all amplifier designs are conceptually WRONG! - nl 13:37:17 09/19/15 (0)
- RE: I would say nearly all amplifier designs are conceptually WRONG! - A.Wayne 11:36:34 09/19/15 (9)
- RE: I would say nearly all amplifier designs are conceptually WRONG! - hahax@verizon.net 13:07:33 09/19/15 (8)
- RE: I would say nearly all amplifier designs are conceptually WRONG! - morricab 15:07:58 09/19/15 (6)
- RE: I would say nearly all amplifier designs are conceptually WRONG! - hahax@verizon.net 20:15:59 09/19/15 (5)
- RE: I would say nearly all amplifier designs are conceptually WRONG! - morricab 01:18:01 09/20/15 (3)
- RE: I would say nearly all amplifier designs are conceptually WRONG! - hahax@verizon.net 20:26:14 09/20/15 (2)
- For Me, a Reasonable Compromise Has Been . . . - goldenthal 23:53:51 09/26/15 (0)
- RE: I would say nearly all amplifier designs are conceptually WRONG! - morricab 03:28:14 09/21/15 (0)
- No amp is perfect thus it is all about compromise... - kuribo 20:35:15 09/19/15 (0)
- That's the fault line through the whole argument... - kuribo 14:09:30 09/19/15 (0)
- Especially ones that require time travel to work! - Maxamillion 11:06:01 09/19/15 (3)
- Perhaps you are confusing the delay of electrons in a wire with time scales associated with audio...nt - kuribo 07:02:04 09/20/15 (2)
- Perhaps you forgot feedback time errors make many cycles through the amp circuit - Maxamillion 07:50:57 09/20/15 (1)
- The math, measurements, and many more listeners don't support those claims if done right but - kuribo 08:24:37 09/20/15 (0)
- Music is distortion - Frihed89 00:20:28 09/19/15 (114)
- Music is distortion...umm no. - morricab 09:24:05 09/19/15 (2)
- RE: Music is distortion...umm no. - Frihed89 00:31:46 09/20/15 (1)
- RE: Music is distortion...umm no. - morricab 01:20:30 09/20/15 (0)
- Music may be distortion, but to reproduce the SIGNAL, ADDING distortion does not equal adding music... - kuribo 04:48:24 09/19/15 (109)
- RE: Music may be distortion, but to reproduce the SIGNAL, ADDING distortion does not equal adding music... - Garg0yle 07:41:24 09/19/15 (2)
- Distortion is distortion.... - kuribo 08:00:30 09/19/15 (1)
- RE: Distortion is distortion.... - Garg0yle 08:26:00 09/19/15 (0)
- Well put: is it lack of "bad" distortion or the addition of "good" distortion - Feanor 06:12:26 09/19/15 (105)
- RE: Well put: is it lack of "bad" distortion or the addition of "good" distortion - morricab 09:22:20 09/19/15 (1)
- Well said. (nt) - Tre' 14:18:45 09/19/15 (0)
- RE: Well put: is it lack of "bad" distortion or the addition of "good" distortion - Garg0yle 07:59:16 09/19/15 (14)
- At what level are these sidebands inaudible? - kuribo 08:02:48 09/19/15 (13)
- RE: At what level are these sidebands inaudible? - Garg0yle 08:30:52 09/19/15 (12)
- You haven't answered my question...at what level do sidebands become inaudible? - kuribo 08:39:20 09/19/15 (11)
- RE: You haven't answered my question...at what level do sidebands become inaudible? - Garg0yle 09:04:18 09/19/15 (0)
- RE: You haven't answered my question...at what level do sidebands become inaudible? - Garg0yle 08:43:27 09/19/15 (9)
- By specifying a zero level you are saying the human ear is infinitely sensitive..oookaaaay. LOL! - kuribo 08:51:16 09/19/15 (8)
- RE: By specifying a zero level you are saying the human ear is infinitely sensitive..oookaaaay. LOL! - Garg0yle 09:08:50 09/19/15 (7)
- I asked at what level the sidebands become inaudible. You said 0.000% that means - kuribo 09:16:04 09/19/15 (6)
- The secret to "good" sound ISN'T 0% higher order sidebands ... - Feanor 10:55:53 09/20/15 (5)
- RE: The secret to "good" sound ISN'T 0% higher order sidebands ... - morricab 11:55:37 09/20/15 (2)
- RE: The secret to "good" sound ISN'T 0% higher order sidebands ... - A.Wayne 12:17:31 09/20/15 (1)
- RE: The secret to "good" sound ISN'T 0% higher order sidebands ... - morricab 08:49:24 09/21/15 (0)
- RE: The secret to "good" sound ISN'T 0% higher order sidebands ... - Garg0yle 11:17:41 09/20/15 (1)
- It's all subjective. Tastes differ. No one has found any magic rule that fits everyone....and there are amps - kuribo 13:04:53 09/20/15 (0)
- True, but isn't the crux of the matter the fallacy that mine is "better" than yours - kuribo 06:29:18 09/19/15 (87)
- RE: True, but isn't the crux of the matter the fallacy that mine is "better" than yours - Tre' 08:07:21 09/19/15 (86)
- "goals", preferences, the same thing...which is my point....clearly nt everyone agrees on what is best...nt - kuribo 08:21:54 09/19/15 (85)
- RE: "goals", preferences, the same thing...which is my point....clearly nt everyone agrees on what is best...nt - Tre' 08:38:59 09/19/15 (65)
- The worst kind of arrogance... - kuribo 08:58:27 09/19/15 (64)
- RE: The worst kind of arrogance... - Tre' 10:04:56 09/19/15 (34)
- It's got nothing to do with liking or disliking live music. It's about - kuribo 10:12:51 09/19/15 (33)
- RE: It's got nothing to do with liking or disliking live music. It's about - Tre' 10:43:29 09/19/15 (32)
- Get over what? Pretty big "if" there, don't you think? Have you been the re on every recording made? nt - kuribo 14:16:11 09/19/15 (2)
- RE: Get over what? Pretty big "if" there, don't you think? Have you been the re on every recording made? nt - Tre' 14:28:21 09/19/15 (1)
- When it comes to what I think sounds best, I don't need anyone else's opinion... - kuribo 14:38:07 09/19/15 (0)
- Second Class Audiophiles - Tony Lauck 12:10:48 09/19/15 (28)
- Even those who spend their entire life listening to recordings" don't agree...nt - kuribo 14:17:48 09/19/15 (5)
- RE: Even those who spend their entire life listening to recordings" don't agree...nt - Tre' 14:23:03 09/19/15 (4)
- But they do argue, don't they? nt - kuribo 14:27:21 09/19/15 (3)
- RE: But they do argue, don't they? nt - Tre' 14:32:53 09/19/15 (2)
- Back to my system again.... - kuribo 14:46:09 09/19/15 (1)
- RE: Back to my system again.... - Tre' 15:01:08 09/19/15 (0)
- RE: Second Class Audiophiles - Tre' 12:44:33 09/19/15 (21)
- RE: Second Class Audiophiles - A.Wayne 13:27:06 09/19/15 (20)
- RE: Second Class Audiophiles - Tre' 13:46:10 09/19/15 (19)
- According to Nelson Pass, "It's not brain surgery, it's entertainment"...nt - kuribo 14:19:23 09/19/15 (18)
- RE: According to Nelson Pass, "It's not brain surgery, it's entertainment"...nt - Tre' 14:40:07 09/19/15 (17)
- Another Pass quote that seems apropo.... - kuribo 19:33:36 09/19/15 (0)
- It is unobtainable, and it is entertaining, we can agree on that...nt - kuribo 14:47:28 09/19/15 (15)
- Well I'm glad we found something to agree on. (nt) - Tre' 15:12:09 09/19/15 (14)
- Me too...to answer your earlier question... - kuribo 16:45:35 09/19/15 (13)
- The bottom line... - mkuller 22:33:07 09/19/15 (1)
- I haven't made any claims that my amp is "best" - kuribo 04:44:18 09/20/15 (0)
- RE: Me too...to answer your earlier question... - Tre' 17:49:31 09/19/15 (10)
- RE: Me too...to answer your earlier question... - A.Wayne 17:56:42 09/19/15 (9)
- RE: Me too...to answer your earlier question... - Tre' 18:05:57 09/19/15 (8)
- RE: Me too...to answer your earlier question... - kuribo 18:25:59 09/19/15 (7)
- Of course... - Tre' 19:34:36 09/19/15 (6)
- Are you referring to the ncore specs? Is so, did you see this note? - kuribo 19:42:18 09/19/15 (5)
- RE: Are you referring to the ncore specs? Is so, did you see this note? - Tre' 20:29:39 09/19/15 (4)
- Look here at page 8, 4 lines down from the top, in bold: - kuribo 20:38:24 09/19/15 (3)
- RE: Look here at page 8, 4 lines down from the top, in bold: - Tre' 21:07:51 09/19/15 (2)
- The only thing that matters... - mkuller 09:23:01 09/20/15 (1)
- Which is subjective and we're back to you can't argue taste... - kuribo 09:30:33 09/20/15 (0)
- RE: The worst kind of arrogance... - Tre' 09:53:48 09/19/15 (28)
- Yup- how does that saying go? - Ralph 14:36:45 09/21/15 (0)
- Your assumption that anyone who doesn't agree with your interpretation the sound of "real instruments" - kuribo 10:00:57 09/19/15 (26)
- RE: Your assumption that anyone who doesn't agree with your interpretation the sound of "real instruments" - Tre' 10:15:58 09/19/15 (25)
- I don't need to be a recording engineer to know what live music sounds like...nt - kuribo 14:20:41 09/19/15 (22)
- RE: I don't need to be a recording engineer to know what live music sounds like...nt - Tre' 14:50:55 09/19/15 (21)
- Again, the only opinion that matters to me when it comes to matters of subjective taste are my own... - kuribo 14:55:39 09/19/15 (20)
- Objective vs Subjective... - mkuller 09:29:01 09/20/15 (5)
- His comments make perfect sense - E-Stat 11:48:23 09/20/15 (0)
- No, you are the one who doesn't understand... - kuribo 09:47:26 09/20/15 (3)
- Blinded by science... - mkuller 10:19:59 09/20/15 (2)
- Simply blind... - kuribo 10:36:21 09/20/15 (1)
- It's really simple... - mkuller 11:05:54 09/20/15 (0)
- RE: Again, the only opinion that matters to me when it comes to matters of subjective taste are my own... - Tre' 15:11:05 09/19/15 (13)
- When the goals are subjective, not everyone's "senses" will agree those goals have been met...nt - kuribo 16:50:21 09/19/15 (12)
- RE: When the goals are subjective, not everyone's "senses" will agree those goals have been met...nt - Tre' 18:10:08 09/19/15 (11)
- What is your definition of high fidelity? "Original" what? - kuribo 18:39:07 09/19/15 (10)
- RE: What is your definition of high fidelity? "Original" what? - Tre' 20:09:24 09/19/15 (3)
- RE: What is your definition of high fidelity? "Original" what? - kuribo 20:27:51 09/19/15 (2)
- RE: What is your definition of high fidelity? "Original" what? - Tre' 20:54:30 09/19/15 (1)
- I don't doubt your experience.... - kuribo 21:04:33 09/19/15 (0)
- RE: What is your definition of high fidelity? "Original" what? - Garg0yle 18:44:07 09/19/15 (5)
- If you want to argue specs, please post yours....you can find ncore specs here: - kuribo 18:50:57 09/19/15 (4)
- RE: If you want to argue specs, please post yours....you can find ncore specs here: - Garg0yle 19:16:53 09/19/15 (3)
- Enough hand waving. Back up your claims that your SET is objectively superior and post your specs - kuribo 19:21:19 09/19/15 (2)
- RE: Enough hand waving. Back up your claims that your SET is objectively superior and post your specs - Garg0yle 19:42:52 09/19/15 (1)
- That's what I expected.... - kuribo 19:54:01 09/19/15 (0)
- It is a fascinating experience - E-Stat 10:19:39 09/19/15 (1)
- RE: It is a fascinating experience - Tre' 10:50:08 09/19/15 (0)
- RE: "goals", preferences, the same thing...which is my point....clearly nt everyone agrees on what is best...nt - Garg0yle 08:27:07 09/19/15 (18)
- I DON'T BELIEVE THAT - Feanor 10:28:44 09/19/15 (16)
- RE: I DON'T BELIEVE THAT - Maxamillion 19:09:59 10/01/15 (1)
- RE: I DON'T BELIEVE THAT - jasonpatrickbrowne 12:59:55 11/11/15 (0)
- RE: I DON'T BELIEVE THAT - morricab 15:23:46 09/19/15 (2)
- If the recording is "flat, grey and sterile" ... - Feanor 05:48:04 09/20/15 (1)
- RE: If the recording is "flat, grey and sterile" ... - morricab 03:44:42 09/21/15 (0)
- RE: I DON'T BELIEVE THAT - Garg0yle 10:52:41 09/19/15 (10)
- RE: I DON'T BELIEVE THAT - Tre' 11:44:54 09/19/15 (9)
- RE: I DON'T BELIEVE THAT - morricab 15:26:28 09/19/15 (8)
- Let's remember: there is no "live sound" except in the moment - Feanor 05:45:18 09/20/15 (7)
- RE: Let's remember: there is no "live sound" except in the moment - morricab 03:57:08 09/21/15 (5)
- Which is to say you're only going to hear live sound in the concert hall - Feanor 08:45:42 09/21/15 (1)
- RE: Which is to say you're only going to hear live sound in the concert hall - morricab 12:08:59 09/21/15 (0)
- RE: Let's remember: there is no "live sound" except in the moment - A.Wayne 04:32:00 09/21/15 (2)
- Keep listening....but remember amps make no sound, amps in systems do... - kuribo 05:21:39 09/21/15 (0)
- RE: Let's remember: there is no "live sound" except in the moment - morricab 05:04:01 09/21/15 (0)
- Bravo! I will add a few more: how many seats are filled in the venue during the performance, - kuribo 07:09:14 09/20/15 (0)
- But not everyone chooses to reach that goal in the same way, isn't that obvious? nt - kuribo 08:59:55 09/19/15 (0)
- RE: Music is distortion - Garg0yle 04:39:53 09/19/15 (0)
- RE: I would say nearly all amplifier designs are conceptually WRONG! - hahax@verizon.net 20:43:04 09/18/15 (14)
- RE: I would say nearly all amplifier designs are conceptually WRONG! - morricab 09:42:44 09/19/15 (0)
- RE: I would say nearly all amplifier designs are conceptually WRONG! - Garg0yle 21:13:31 09/18/15 (12)
- RE: I would say nearly all amplifier designs are conceptually WRONG! - hahax@verizon.net 09:19:21 09/19/15 (9)
- RE: I would say nearly all amplifier designs are conceptually WRONG! - Garg0yle 09:31:42 09/19/15 (8)
- RE: I would say nearly all amplifier designs are conceptually WRONG! - hahax@verizon.net 12:10:25 09/19/15 (2)
- RE: I would say nearly all amplifier designs are conceptually WRONG! - morricab 04:13:14 09/20/15 (1)
- RE: I would say nearly all amplifier designs are conceptually WRONG! - hahax@verizon.net 07:53:27 09/20/15 (0)
- "While not perfect, it is still better then anything else available" seems you forgot to add IMHO...nt - kuribo 09:42:07 09/19/15 (4)
- RE: "While not perfect, it is still better then anything else available" seems you forgot to add IMHO...nt - Garg0yle 09:44:20 09/19/15 (3)
- RE: "While not perfect, it is still better then anything else available" seems you forgot to add IMHO...nt - hahax@verizon.net 12:15:35 09/19/15 (2)
- RE: "While not perfect, it is still better then anything else available" seems you forgot to add IMHO...nt - morricab 04:19:10 09/20/15 (1)
- RE: "While not perfect, it is still better then anything else available" seems you forgot to add IMHO...nt - hahax@verizon.net 07:50:31 09/20/15 (0)
- More distortion= more accurate? Not in my world..Many would prefer to not hear any distortion....nt - kuribo 04:38:45 09/19/15 (1)
- You have a world? ROTFLMAO - erik 04:55:47 09/19/15 (0)
- RE: I would say nearly all amplifier designs are conceptually WRONG! - Jallen 17:58:34 09/18/15 (1)
- RE: I would say nearly all amplifier designs are conceptually WRONG! - morricab 09:38:36 09/19/15 (0)
- I wonder why there are so many "conceptually wrong" amps? - Feanor 15:25:36 09/18/15 (68)
- RE: I wonder why there are so many "conceptually wrong" amps? - Garg0yle 15:58:40 09/18/15 (33)
- Many manufacturers AND reviews have apparently been impressed - Feanor 17:13:04 09/18/15 (24)
- RE: Many manufacturers AND reviews have apparently been impressed - morricab 09:26:26 09/19/15 (2)
- Nothing "wore off" - Feanor 10:24:39 09/19/15 (1)
- RE: Nothing "wore off" - morricab 01:30:20 09/20/15 (0)
- RE: Many manufacturers AND reviews have apparently been impressed - Disbeliever 23:33:30 09/18/15 (20)
- I would certainly consider a class D in the future ... - Feanor 05:52:54 09/19/15 (2)
- RE: I would certainly consider a class D in the future ... - morricab 09:28:41 09/19/15 (1)
- No and given the price of one "designed correctly" ... - Feanor 10:15:14 09/19/15 (0)
- RE: Many manufacturers AND reviews have apparently been impressed - pictureguy 00:17:23 09/19/15 (16)
- The tail doesn't wag the dog.... - kuribo 04:41:43 09/19/15 (15)
- supply and demand - Inmate51 11:00:35 09/19/15 (0)
- RE: The tail doesn't wag the dog.... - pictureguy 08:32:05 09/19/15 (13)
- I agree.....simply tossing a module in a box is not the path to long term success.... - kuribo 09:03:29 09/19/15 (12)
- That's the majority of Hypex resellers - Jack G 11:52:26 09/19/15 (7)
- The trend is towards more OEM added circuitry and away from simply putting a module in a box...nt - kuribo 14:25:43 09/19/15 (6)
- Not really - Jack G 14:35:42 09/19/15 (5)
- By OEM I meant Bel Canto, Levinson, NAD, Theta, Merrill, M-Sonic, and others who are now - kuribo 14:51:58 09/19/15 (4)
- Not really, most are minor tweaks at best - Jack G 15:32:43 09/19/15 (3)
- I think you need to look again...or maybe your definition of a minor tweak is different than mine... - kuribo 16:57:58 09/19/15 (2)
- I have looked - Jack G 18:09:18 09/19/15 (1)
- We will have to differ then on what constitutes a simple tweak...nt - kuribo 18:47:11 09/19/15 (0)
- RE: I agree.....simply tossing a module in a box is not the path to long term success.... - pictureguy 11:05:49 09/19/15 (3)
- Again, I agree with what you are saying, I am simply saying that it is the demand for these amps - kuribo 14:35:06 09/19/15 (2)
- RE: Again, I agree with what you are saying, I am simply saying that it is the demand for these amps - pictureguy 16:53:29 09/19/15 (1)
- Precisely! nt - kuribo 17:01:10 09/19/15 (0)
- Double standard.... - kuribo 16:05:54 09/18/15 (7)
- RE: Double standard.... - Garg0yle 19:07:28 09/18/15 (6)
- RE: Double standard.... - morricab 09:31:56 09/19/15 (0)
- High-end audio today is about high margins - Feanor 05:59:57 09/19/15 (0)
- RE: Double standard.... - kuribo 19:21:06 09/18/15 (3)
- RE: Double standard.... - Garg0yle 19:35:02 09/18/15 (2)
- Chip amp? - kuribo 20:18:22 09/18/15 (1)
- RE: Chip amp? - Garg0yle 20:31:01 09/18/15 (0)
- Many of the studies you mention have been discredited... - kuribo 15:48:22 09/18/15 (30)
- RE: Many of the studies you mention have been discredited... - A.Wayne 17:16:35 09/18/15 (29)
- Judging by the comments on current thread there on negative feedback, - kuribo 17:24:34 09/18/15 (28)
- Certainly not Nelson Pass :) - E-Stat 12:31:55 09/20/15 (27)
- Maybe you should actually read through the thread before making assumptions.... - kuribo 05:25:55 09/21/15 (26)
- Another swing and a miss - E-Stat 05:33:13 09/21/15 (25)
- My quote was accurate. And it explains well why he makes a variety of amps... - kuribo 05:43:51 09/21/15 (24)
- RE: My quote was accurate. And it explains well why he makes a variety of amps... - Garg0yle 06:44:03 09/21/15 (7)
- Is this what you were taught at MIT? - kuribo 14:36:59 09/21/15 (0)
- RE: My quote was accurate. And it explains well why he makes a variety of amps... - A.Wayne 07:39:50 09/21/15 (5)
- RE: My quote was accurate. And it explains well why he makes a variety of amps... - morricab 12:11:00 09/21/15 (4)
- RE: My quote was accurate. And it explains well why he makes a variety of amps... - A.Wayne 12:18:30 09/21/15 (3)
- RE: My quote was accurate. And it explains well why he makes a variety of amps... - morricab 01:01:15 09/22/15 (2)
- RE: My quote was accurate. And it explains well why he makes a variety of amps... - A.Wayne 01:21:22 09/22/15 (1)
- RE: My quote was accurate. And it explains well why he makes a variety of amps... - morricab 06:37:52 09/22/15 (0)
- His opinion is quite clear - E-Stat 05:55:57 09/21/15 (15)
- He uses feedback, and he also believes amp choices are subjective....case closed. nt - kuribo 06:07:07 09/21/15 (14)
- His opinon remains clear - E-Stat 06:29:51 09/21/15 (13)
- Get yourself an ncore. It might help you with your issues. nt - kuribo 06:34:57 09/21/15 (12)
- Since you like to quote Nelson Pass - E-Stat 08:11:47 09/21/15 (11)
- If he had the class d design skills of Bruno Putseys, he might be offering one... - kuribo 05:24:14 09/22/15 (10)
- RE: If he had the class d design skills of Bruno Putseys, he might be offering one... - Garg0yle 05:49:33 09/22/15 (9)
- Again, Huh? - kuribo 05:59:43 09/22/15 (8)
- RE: Again, Huh? - Garg0yle 06:09:20 09/22/15 (7)
- There are references - E-Stat 09:35:15 09/22/15 (4)
- RE: There are references - Garg0yle 09:42:01 09/22/15 (3)
- I noted - E-Stat 09:52:59 09/22/15 (2)
- RE: I noted - A.Wayne 10:27:42 09/22/15 (1)
- ~850 CDs - E-Stat 11:02:01 09/22/15 (0)
- RE: Again, Huh? - morricab 06:42:12 09/22/15 (1)
- Descriptive product name -nt - E-Stat 09:36:37 09/22/15 (0)
- RE: I wonder why there are so many "conceptually wrong" amps? - Jallen 15:48:18 09/18/15 (2)
- RE: I wonder why there are so many "conceptually wrong" amps? - Jallen 18:30:13 09/18/15 (0)
- I agree completely and would add that the room is also an important part of the system...nt - kuribo 15:54:21 09/18/15 (0)
- If you seek perfection in the design of an audio product, you are a party-pooper. - ppopp 11:47:58 09/18/15 (0)
- RE: I would say nearly all amplifier designs are conceptually WRONG! - Garg0yle 09:54:13 09/18/15 (1)
- RE: I would say nearly all amplifier designs are conceptually WRONG! - morricab 13:05:26 09/18/15 (0)
- RE: I would say nearly all amplifier designs are conceptually WRONG! - Inmate51 09:03:15 09/18/15 (2)
- RE: I would say nearly all amplifier designs are conceptually WRONG! - morricab 12:59:46 09/18/15 (1)
- Equal Temperament - Inmate51 11:12:51 09/19/15 (0)
- You have arrived where I was about 25-30 years ago. - Ralph 08:50:48 09/18/15 (13)
- RE: You have arrived where I was about 25-30 years ago. - morricab 06:12:27 09/25/15 (12)
- Once you get rid of the output transformer - Ralph 08:03:46 09/25/15 (11)
- RE: Once you get rid of the output transformer - Banat 03:47:26 09/26/15 (0)
- RE: Once you get rid of the output transformer - morricab 12:51:07 09/25/15 (9)
- RE: Once you get rid of the output transformer - A.Wayne 13:46:31 09/25/15 (8)
- RE: Once you get rid of the output transformer - morricab 13:45:04 09/26/15 (7)
- RE: Once you get rid of the output transformer. its all down hill - A.Wayne 15:38:12 09/26/15 (6)
- RE: This must be an Error ...... - A.Wayne 15:45:51 09/26/15 (5)
- RE: This must be an Error ...... - morricab 13:45:41 09/28/15 (4)
- RE: This must be an Error ...... - A.Wayne 13:50:36 09/28/15 (3)
- RE: This must be an Error ...... - morricab 08:34:15 09/29/15 (2)
- RE: This must be an Error ...... - A.Wayne 11:01:41 09/29/15 (1)
- RE: This must be an Error ...... - morricab 14:32:24 09/29/15 (0)
- I would say that "single pair" solid state can be as good as single-ended - John Marks 08:21:50 09/18/15 (1)
- RE: I would say that "single pair" solid state can be as good as single-ended - morricab 13:13:27 09/18/15 (0)
- RE: I would say nearly all amplifier designs are conceptually WRONG! - rick_m 08:18:06 09/18/15 (4)
- RE: I would say nearly all amplifier designs are conceptually WRONG! - morricab 13:14:14 09/18/15 (3)
- RE: I would say nearly all amplifier designs are conceptually WRONG! - rick_m 18:26:04 09/18/15 (2)
- RE: I would say nearly all amplifier designs are conceptually WRONG! - morricab 09:44:33 09/19/15 (1)
- RE: I would say nearly all amplifier designs are conceptually WRONG! - A.Wayne 11:02:16 09/19/15 (0)
- RE: I would say nearly all amplifier designs are conceptually WRONG! - Dave_K 08:09:03 09/18/15 (3)
- RE: I would say nearly all amplifier designs are conceptually WRONG! - morricab 13:07:59 09/18/15 (2)
- RE: I would say nearly all amplifier designs are conceptually WRONG! - Dave_K 06:25:41 09/21/15 (0)
- RE: I would say nearly all amplifier designs are conceptually WRONG! - hahax@verizon.net 20:19:29 09/19/15 (0)
- How are you backing up this ridiculosu claim? - 3db 05:41:07 09/18/15 (33)
- I serious recommend you read up. - Ralph 09:34:45 09/18/15 (32)
- RE: I serious recommend you read up. - 3db 10:00:28 09/18/15 (3)
- What claims?- I just suggested you read up as you obviously have some gaps in your education - Ralph 12:48:30 09/18/15 (2)
- Has Crowhurst's work been peer reviewed and replicated? - Feanor 17:15:07 09/18/15 (1)
- Crowhurst was published by Sam's Technical Publishing. His works are very well known. - Ralph 11:08:23 09/21/15 (0)
- RE: I serious recommend you read up ... But. - A.Wayne 09:55:04 09/18/15 (27)
- load impedance is a problem for any amp if you want the best reproduction - Ralph 12:06:50 09/18/15 (26)
- RE: load impedance is a problem for any amp if you want the best reproduction - A.Wayne 12:41:56 09/18/15 (25)
- There's more than one way to do that... - Ralph 13:04:12 09/18/15 (23)
- What exactly are "trace" amounts and can you define your metric for "brightness and harshness" - kuribo 19:52:37 09/23/15 (10)
- Just as a FWIW: there is no such thing as objectivity in audio - Ralph 10:12:12 09/24/15 (9)
- 7th Harmonic - Inmate51 14:48:11 09/24/15 (8)
- Yes- it really is that simple. The 7th tone in a scale is a dissonance - Ralph 15:04:12 09/24/15 (7)
- RE: Yes- it really is that simple. The 7th tone in a scale is a dissonance - morricab 13:52:38 09/28/15 (6)
- RE: Yes- it really is that simple. The 7th tone in a scale is a dissonance - A.Wayne 13:57:04 09/28/15 (5)
- RE: Yes- it really is that simple. The 7th tone in a scale is a dissonance - morricab 04:13:28 09/30/15 (4)
- RE: Yes- it really is that simple. The 7th tone in a scale is a dissonance - A.Wayne 06:59:15 09/30/15 (3)
- RE: Yes- it really is that simple. The 7th tone in a scale is a dissonance - morricab 07:12:46 09/30/15 (2)
- RE: Yes- it really is that simple. The 7th tone in a scale is a dissonance - Inmate51 07:54:23 09/30/15 (1)
- RE: Yes- it really is that simple. The 7th tone in a scale is a dissonance - morricab 08:24:31 10/01/15 (0)
- RE: There's more than one way to do that... - A.Wayne 13:09:05 09/18/15 (11)
- RE: There's more than one way to do that... - Ralph 13:40:19 09/18/15 (9)
- Sensitivity to load....class d...not an issue.... - kuribo 20:01:38 09/23/15 (5)
- you missed the point entirely... nt - Ralph 10:13:07 09/24/15 (3)
- Really? - kuribo 13:26:48 09/24/15 (2)
- You missed the point. - Ralph 15:01:00 09/24/15 (1)
- RE: You missed the point. - kuribo 15:11:52 09/24/15 (0)
- RE: Sensitivity to load....class d...not an issue.... - Garg0yle 21:02:54 09/23/15 (0)
- RE: There's more than one way to do that... - Banat 16:35:34 09/18/15 (0)
- RE: There's more than one way to do that... - A.Wayne 14:32:56 09/18/15 (1)
- So are you saying that an amp should work really hard to sound its best? - Ralph 13:52:11 09/21/15 (0)
- RE: There's more than one way to do that... - morricab 13:12:12 09/18/15 (0)
- RE: load impedance is a problem for any amp if you want the best reproduction - morricab 12:56:15 09/18/15 (0)
- RE: Morri, Appreciate the effort, Dats some deep S*** , Conceptually WRONG ? - A.Wayne 05:14:32 09/18/15 (37)
- RE: Morri, Appreciate the effort, Dats some deep S*** , Conceptually WRONG ? - morricab 12:34:57 09/18/15 (7)
- RE: Morri, Appreciate the effort, Dats some deep S*** , Conceptually WRONG ? - A.Wayne 12:53:16 09/18/15 (6)
- RE: Morri, Appreciate the effort, Dats some deep S*** , Conceptually WRONG ? - morricab 13:19:03 09/18/15 (2)
- RE: Lamm ..? - A.Wayne 13:21:18 09/18/15 (1)
- RE: Lamm ..? - morricab 13:24:13 09/18/15 (0)
- RE: Morri, Appreciate the effort, Dats some deep S*** , Conceptually WRONG ? - morricab 13:04:45 09/18/15 (2)
- RE: Morri, Appreciate the effort, Dats some deep S*** , Conceptually WRONG ? - A.Wayne 13:13:02 09/18/15 (1)
- RE: Morri, Appreciate the effort, Dats some deep S*** , Conceptually WRONG ? - morricab 13:18:28 09/18/15 (0)
- RE: Morri, Appreciate the effort, Dats some deep S*** , Conceptually WRONG ? - Garg0yle 10:06:27 09/18/15 (21)
- RE: Morri, Appreciate the effort, Dats some deep S*** , Conceptually WRONG ? - Dave_K 12:19:44 09/18/15 (14)
- RE: Morri, Appreciate the effort, Dats some deep S*** , Conceptually WRONG ? - morricab 12:40:44 09/18/15 (13)
- RE: Morri, Appreciate the effort, Dats some deep S*** , Conceptually WRONG ? - Dave_K 06:21:47 09/21/15 (12)
- RE: Morri, Appreciate the effort, Dats some deep S*** , Conceptually WRONG ? - morricab 08:55:00 09/21/15 (11)
- If "extended treble" really means excess treble, then I agree - Dave_K 14:25:35 09/21/15 (7)
- RE: If "extended treble" really means excess treble, then I agree - morricab 06:54:04 09/22/15 (6)
- CS 2.4 and 3.7 - Dave_K 14:57:43 09/22/15 (4)
- RE: CS 2.4 and 3.7 - A.Wayne 15:36:47 09/22/15 (3)
- Right - Dave_K 16:49:31 09/22/15 (1)
- RE: Right - Inmate51 18:07:10 09/22/15 (0)
- Getting off into other areas - Inmate51 16:04:20 09/22/15 (0)
- RE: CS 3.7 - A.Wayne 10:46:32 09/22/15 (0)
- RE: Morri, Appreciate the effort, Dats some deep S*** , Conceptually WRONG ? - A.Wayne 10:27:20 09/21/15 (2)
- RE: Morri, Appreciate the effort, Dats some deep S*** , Conceptually WRONG ? - morricab 12:21:14 09/21/15 (1)
- RE: Morri, Appreciate the effort, Dats some deep S*** , Conceptually WRONG ? - A.Wayne 12:26:54 09/21/15 (0)
- RE: Morri, Appreciate the effort, Dats some deep S*** , Conceptually WRONG ? - A.Wayne 10:43:56 09/18/15 (5)
- RE: Morri, Appreciate the effort, Dats some deep S*** , Conceptually WRONG ? - morricab 12:42:08 09/18/15 (3)
- RE: Morri, Appreciate the effort, Dats some deep S*** , Conceptually WRONG ? - morricab 12:49:53 09/18/15 (2)
- RE: Morri, Appreciate the effort, Dats some deep S*** , Conceptually WRONG ? - A.Wayne 12:59:48 09/18/15 (1)
- RE: Morri, Appreciate the effort, Dats some deep S*** , Conceptually WRONG ? - morricab 13:10:20 09/18/15 (0)
- RE: Morri, Appreciate the effort, Dats some deep S*** , Conceptually WRONG ? - Garg0yle 11:00:53 09/18/15 (0)
- RE: No links to ..? - A.Wayne 09:16:58 09/18/15 (1)
- RE: No links to ..? - A.Wayne 09:42:21 09/18/15 (0)
- Yeah, there is that.... - kuribo 06:19:31 09/18/15 (4)
- RE: Yeah, there is that.... - 3db 07:45:09 09/18/15 (3)
- RE: Yeah, there is that.... - morricab 13:22:56 09/18/15 (2)
- RE: Yeah, there is that.... - A.Wayne 13:34:08 09/18/15 (1)
- RE: Yeah, there is that.... - morricab 05:02:06 09/21/15 (0)
Follow Ups
- No, you are the one who doesn't understand... - kuribo 09:47:26 09/20/15 (3)
- Blinded by science... - mkuller 10:19:59 09/20/15 (2)
- Simply blind... - kuribo 10:36:21 09/20/15 (1)
- It's really simple... - mkuller 11:05:54 09/20/15 (0)
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