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In Reply to: As you correctly say, it's claims, not facts!!! posted by KlausR. on September 8, 2006 at 04:52:49:
Klaus,You say nobody cares about scientific proof as to WHY cables sound different as long as there is no scientific proof THAT they sound different. Provide the latter, then you can start discussing the former!
I'd respond to your comment by saying when the day arrives that YOU prove wires don't sound different, then we can discuss why so many people can still hear a differnce! Until the day comes that someone proves wires don't sound different, then all you're doing is stating opinions, like you claim I do. IMHO my opinion is as valid as your opinion and I'm willing to agree to that!
However, the trouble develops when those who don't believe there are audible differences in wires start to state their OPINIONS as if they are FACTS. Unfortunately these opinions won't be facts until someone proves wires don't sound different! So we're back where we started i.e. Until the day comes that someone proves wires don't sound different, then all you're doing is stating opinions, like you claim I do. IMHO my opinion is as valid as your opinion and I'm willing to agree to that!
Thetubeguy1954
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Follow Ups Full ThreadTopic - What's Not Scientific About This? - thetubeguy1954 08:19:16 09/07/06 (174)
- Re: What's Not Scientific About This? - andy19191 06:04:50 09/09/06 (0)
- Scientific? - Don T 11:44:53 09/08/06 (21)
- Re: Scientific? - thetubeguy1954 12:35:00 09/08/06 (20)
- So what you're saying then is... - Presto 12:52:36 09/08/06 (19)
- What I Believe Is.... - thetubeguy1954 09:32:07 09/11/06 (0)
- Nordost's campaign is no different than the one Bose has used for years! - Don T 13:35:18 09/09/06 (17)
- I Can See You're Back At It. - thetubeguy1954 10:32:13 09/11/06 (14)
- Re: I Can See You're Back At It. - Don T 12:25:44 09/11/06 (13)
- Re: I Can See You're Back At It. - thetubeguy1954 14:08:28 09/11/06 (12)
- what a whack job you are - Don T 23:39:30 09/11/06 (4)
- Bye Bye Donny Boy - thetubeguy1954 08:19:03 09/12/06 (3)
- In fact you seem to me to be the audio analogy of the cable guy! - Don T 10:30:21 09/12/06 (2)
- You Are The Audio Equivalent Of Pinocchio - thetubeguy1954 11:42:28 09/12/06 (1)
- Still making those same old promises you never seem to be able to keep! - Don T 12:41:25 09/12/06 (0)
- He called you "incapable," "delluded" [sic], and a "creep". You gonna take that? nt - clarkjohnsen 14:22:45 09/11/06 (6)
- I'm sure I'm not the only one who would never bother to open a post written by you - thanks for the nt! - Don T 17:44:54 09/11/06 (5)
- Talk About Nuts???? - thetubeguy1954 08:28:20 09/12/06 (4)
- "I guess that somehow makes sense to Don T." As much as anything ever does. nt - clarkjohnsen 08:44:33 09/12/06 (3)
- Ate a bowl of beans last night - today I'm hearing the best of Clark Johnson! nt - Don T 09:58:35 09/12/06 (2)
- Clark The Farting MUST Have Cleared Out His Ears! - thetubeguy1954 11:44:41 09/12/06 (1)
- That's if he listens with his rectum. Which, who knows?... nt - clarkjohnsen 13:34:13 09/12/06 (0)
- Excellent points. - Presto 15:04:01 09/09/06 (1)
- yep! - Don T 22:31:29 09/09/06 (0)
- just one example.... - sunnysal 10:52:40 09/08/06 (2)
- Re: just one example.... - Steve Eddy 11:15:00 09/08/06 (1)
- Re: just one example.... - tomservo 11:44:25 09/08/06 (0)
- What Teflon FEP gives 1.12 dielectric constant? - cheap-Jack 09:09:50 09/08/06 (4)
- Re: What Teflon FEP gives 1.12 dielectric constant? ans - tomservo 10:54:40 09/08/06 (0)
- The bigger questions still remain: - Presto 10:34:02 09/08/06 (0)
- None. - jneutron 09:28:36 09/08/06 (0)
- Re: What Teflon FEP gives 1.12 dielectric constant? - Steve Eddy 09:25:52 09/08/06 (0)
- Your "information" source is advertising copy !!! ----- so how about a few quotes from salesmen too ? - Richard BassNut Greene 08:00:30 09/08/06 (0)
- The advertising you cited is entirely scientific...and worthless to the consumer - Soundmind 06:49:38 09/08/06 (5)
- Go Listen To Your BSR Equalizer - thetubeguy1954 06:58:43 09/08/06 (4)
- Re: Go Listen To Your BSR Equalizer-the 5 band one right? lol - n/t - Awe-d-o-file 20:03:26 09/08/06 (0)
- I like your well reasoned rebuttals tubeguy, they showcase your intelligence nt - Soundmind 07:51:49 09/08/06 (2)
- Re: I like your well reasoned rebuttals tubeguy, they showcase your intelligence nt - thetubeguy1954 07:55:49 09/08/06 (1)
- Do you think I care if you waste your money on useless trash? - Soundmind 17:13:30 09/08/06 (0)
- As you correctly say, it's claims, not facts!!! - KlausR. 04:52:49 09/08/06 (2)
- And You're Just Stating Opinions - thetubeguy1954 07:11:46 09/08/06 (1)
- The burden of proof... - KlausR. 08:56:59 09/08/06 (0)
- The dimensions data is probably correct. (nt) - Garth 23:28:08 09/07/06 (0)
- Playing Devil's Advocate.... - Todd Krieger 22:03:34 09/07/06 (5)
- Re: Playing Devil's Advocate.... - thetubeguy1954 07:40:18 09/08/06 (1)
- Re: Playing Devil's Advocate.... - mls-stl 14:57:57 09/08/06 (0)
- "Nobody has successfully conducted a blind study to truly validate the correlation." Not true! - clarkjohnsen 07:19:16 09/08/06 (2)
- Philip Greenspun takes excellent pictures. - Pat D 09:31:04 09/08/06 (1)
- Re: Philip Greenspun takes excellent pictures. - Steve Eddy 10:13:06 09/08/06 (0)
- As others have pointed out - E-Stat 21:32:21 09/07/06 (2)
- Re: As others have pointed out - thetubeguy1954 07:53:58 09/08/06 (0)
- Conclusive answers to what? - Don T 22:17:13 09/07/06 (0)
- Relative; to what? - tomservo 20:16:12 09/07/06 (8)
- I believe - unclestu52 22:42:41 09/07/06 (2)
- Re: I believe - tomservo 06:23:06 09/08/06 (1)
- Re: I believe - unclestu52 10:56:47 09/08/06 (0)
- As JNeutron pointed out, there is a typo regarding the L - E-Stat 20:56:37 09/07/06 (4)
- Re: As JNeutron pointed out, there is a typo regarding the L - tomservo 06:18:17 09/08/06 (0)
- nano...nano...nano (cried mork)...nt - jneutron 06:14:20 09/08/06 (2)
- Re: nano...nano...nano (cried mork)...nt - john curl 06:37:47 09/08/06 (0)
- Ok, ok, Orson - E-Stat 06:33:43 09/08/06 (0)
- May be this was what you were looking for - Robert Hamel 19:23:14 09/07/06 (17)
- Re: May be this was what you were looking for - Steve Eddy 19:48:13 09/07/06 (6)
- Re: Ladder line - Mahatma Kane Jeeves 06:08:55 09/08/06 (3)
- Re: Ladder line - thetubeguy1954 08:11:52 09/08/06 (2)
- Re: Ladder line - rick_m 09:17:27 09/08/06 (0)
- Re: Ladder line - Steve Eddy 09:15:35 09/08/06 (0)
- Re: May be this was what you were looking for - rick_m 21:48:04 09/07/06 (1)
- Re: May be this was what you were looking for - Steve Eddy 22:13:15 09/07/06 (0)
- Silimar info - colinhester 19:29:27 09/07/06 (9)
- Jneutron Please Read This. - thetubeguy1954 08:20:47 09/08/06 (2)
- Re: Jneutron Please Read This. - jneutron 09:21:29 09/08/06 (1)
- Thanks - colinhester 09:57:32 09/08/06 (0)
- Thanks - Robert Hamel 19:39:22 09/07/06 (5)
- You're welcome + electron velocity in Cu wire - colinhester 20:09:37 09/07/06 (4)
- Re: You're welcome + electron velocity in Cu wire - john curl 22:27:59 09/07/06 (3)
- You're right - colinhester 05:44:01 09/08/06 (1)
- Re: You're right - john curl 06:35:41 09/08/06 (0)
- Re: You're welcome + electron velocity in Cu wire - Steve Eddy 22:37:59 09/07/06 (0)
- Specifications are scientific by their very nature. But so what? - Presto 16:57:10 09/07/06 (2)
- HEY! My post got cut short. Darn it! - Presto 08:36:25 09/08/06 (1)
- Re: HEY! My post got cut short. Darn it! - john curl 17:02:09 09/08/06 (0)
- Re: note careful wording - mls-stl 14:16:52 09/07/06 (0)
- Re: What's Not Scientific About This? - Steve Eddy 09:36:25 09/07/06 (0)
- But do they sound any different? - Pat D 09:11:55 09/07/06 (87)
- Only in Pat D's World.... - thetubeguy1954 10:23:55 09/07/06 (86)
- The wonderful world of suggestive advertising - Pat D 18:58:44 09/11/06 (0)
- And in your world? - clifff 17:14:00 09/07/06 (5)
- Re: And in your world? - thetubeguy1954 08:37:43 09/08/06 (3)
- Re: And in your world? - Ken Perkins 10:02:50 09/08/06 (2)
- Re: And in your world? - thetubeguy1954 10:36:07 09/08/06 (1)
- Re: And in your world? - Ken Perkins 10:56:04 09/08/06 (0)
- Re: And in your world? - Pat D 19:41:14 09/07/06 (0)
- That would be the real world where no one hears cable differences unless one plays louder than the other - Richard BassNut Greene 14:18:55 09/07/06 (23)
- You talk like a half deaf man. - cheap-Jack 09:16:33 09/08/06 (0)
- LIAR, LIAR Tell The TRUTH RBG - thetubeguy1954 08:47:29 09/08/06 (7)
- And for further proof, that weasel whose initials are PD wholly misrepresents... - clarkjohnsen 10:42:27 09/10/06 (3)
- Did you or did you not say that Greenspun tested phono interconnects? - Pat D 15:21:55 09/10/06 (2)
- The topic was "blind studies". I supplied one. You didn't like it. So go home. nt - clarkjohnsen 08:58:43 09/11/06 (1)
- Never said the SBT wasn't blind, never said I didn't like it. - Pat D 11:46:38 09/11/06 (0)
- How come not a single cable vendor has bothered to publish a hearing test? - Caymus 20:31:03 09/08/06 (1)
- Maybe because - unclestu52 14:30:10 09/09/06 (0)
- You should investigate what Clark tells you . . . - Pat D 16:15:18 09/08/06 (0)
- How about Caymus? - robert young 16:06:44 09/07/06 (9)
- Huh? - Caymus 21:16:45 09/07/06 (8)
- Re: Huh? - unclestu52 11:09:53 09/08/06 (2)
- How come Kimber has never published a HEARING test? - Caymus 20:03:57 09/08/06 (1)
- So , how exactly, - unclestu52 13:02:10 09/09/06 (0)
- What "phony scenario," Caymus? - robert young 03:27:48 09/08/06 (4)
- Oops - you're right - Caymus 20:09:26 09/08/06 (2)
- No problem! I DID think... - robert young 20:37:31 09/08/06 (1)
- Ha ha Thanks! - Caymus 14:57:24 09/09/06 (0)
- Just his knee jerking (nt) - E-Stat 13:15:34 09/08/06 (0)
- Correction: PatD and Mr. Nut's world... - mkuller 15:10:41 09/07/06 (0)
- Re: That would be the real world where no one hears cable differences unless one plays louder than the other - kerr 14:25:28 09/07/06 (2)
- Would you know John Smith's middle initial (166 million hits for John Smith at google!) - Richard BassNut Greene 14:43:51 09/07/06 (1)
- John A Smith - kerr 18:35:16 09/07/06 (0)
- a question - Mahatma Kane Jeeves 12:12:05 09/07/06 (2)
- Re: a question - Mahatma Kane Jeeves 12:13:08 09/07/06 (1)
- Re: An Answer? - Dan Banquer 17:31:17 09/07/06 (0)
- Re: Only in Pat D's World.... - colinhester 10:57:26 09/07/06 (28)
- Re: Only in Pat D's World.... - thetubeguy1954 11:58:59 09/07/06 (27)
- "Until then everytime I see a post about "wacko wire" subjectivists fooling themselves " ... - Richard BassNut Greene 14:34:37 09/07/06 (0)
- Re: Only in Pat D's World.... - Steve Eddy 12:41:12 09/07/06 (25)
- Re: Only in Pat D's World.... - thetubeguy1954 13:39:22 09/07/06 (24)
- Re: Only in Pat D's World.... - Phil Tower 01:21:30 09/08/06 (0)
- Re: Only in Pat D's World.... - Steve Eddy 15:07:06 09/07/06 (21)
- I like that . . . - Pat D 15:30:18 09/07/06 (20)
- You Like Anything That Supports Your Postion - thetubeguy1954 06:13:44 09/08/06 (19)
- Memory is not completely reliable . . . - Pat D 07:16:57 09/08/06 (18)
- And You Lie. - thetubeguy1954 09:00:18 09/08/06 (17)
- You mean like pretending to be familiar with my speakers when you are not? - Pat D 11:02:39 09/08/06 (16)
- YEP - thetubeguy1954 12:28:20 09/08/06 (15)
- Whats the name of the dealer? Maybe I'll stop by. - GTF 16:14:31 09/09/06 (0)
- Re: YEP - Pat D 13:25:31 09/08/06 (13)
- Re: YEP - thetubeguy1954 13:37:22 09/08/06 (12)
- Your EXACT Words Pat - thetubeguy1954 13:39:19 09/08/06 (11)
- Under the "System Strengths" category. GMAB - Pat D 14:41:23 09/08/06 (10)
- Re: Under the "System Strengths" category. GMAB - thetubeguy1954 07:00:03 09/11/06 (9)
- Re: Under the "System Strengths" category. GMAB - Pat D 10:09:34 09/11/06 (8)
- I Caught You In A Blatant Lie Pat D :^) - thetubeguy1954 11:42:36 09/11/06 (7)
- No, you just play tricks. You're not convincing anyone . . . - Pat D 14:14:54 09/11/06 (6)
- NO YOU LIED Pat. . . - thetubeguy1954 06:52:47 09/12/06 (5)
- Ahh! You auditioned the S2 with a tube amplfier with an output transformer. - Pat D 08:22:14 09/12/06 (4)
- Yes With A World-Class Reference Grade SET Amp. - thetubeguy1954 09:29:26 09/12/06 (3)
- And what is the output impedance of your amp? - Pat D 14:06:41 09/12/06 (2)
- Farewell Pat D, You've Joined Soundmind & Lying Don T - thetubeguy1954 13:07:54 09/13/06 (1)
- So what's your point? Word count 2712 saying nothing much. - Pat D 16:06:03 09/13/06 (0)
- Here's your problem as I see it - kerr 14:23:42 09/07/06 (0)
- Re: Only in Pat D's World.... - jneutron 10:41:43 09/07/06 (22)
- Re: Only in Pat D's World.... - thetubeguy1954 12:19:03 09/07/06 (20)
- Actually, I did not claim that my cables sound the same as Nordost Valhalla - Pat D 16:51:32 09/08/06 (0)
- Re: Only in Pat D's World.... - jneutron 12:59:09 09/07/06 (15)
- Re: Only in Pat D's World.... - thetubeguy1954 14:24:29 09/07/06 (14)
- Re: Only in Pat D's World.... - jneutron 06:31:42 09/08/06 (3)
- Re: Only in Pat D's World.... - thetubeguy1954 12:02:14 09/08/06 (2)
- Re: Only in Pat D's World.... - thetubeguy1954 13:12:42 09/08/06 (0)
- Re: Only in Pat D's World.... - jneutron 12:53:19 09/08/06 (0)
- Jeez - AJinFLA 16:22:36 09/07/06 (9)
- Re: Jeez - thetubeguy1954 06:57:07 09/08/06 (5)
- Hmmmm . . . projecting again? - Pat D 07:22:19 09/08/06 (4)
- Nope Just NEVER Kept Running Tallys --- Till Now! - thetubeguy1954 09:05:02 09/08/06 (3)
- So, you admit to an obvious argumentem ad hominem. - Pat D 09:40:07 09/08/06 (2)
- Waaaaaaa I'm Pat D Waaaaaaaaaa - thetubeguy1954 10:11:24 09/08/06 (1)
- It's sad to see a grown man's personality disintegrate in a temper tantrum! Don't look. (nt) - Pat D 16:19:09 09/08/06 (0)
- Re: Jeez - Pat D 19:30:18 09/07/06 (2)
- Get Real Pat - thetubeguy1954 09:17:42 09/08/06 (1)
- Tom's playing this game: "My stereo is much better than your stereo." - Pat D 10:12:56 09/08/06 (0)
- Re: Only in Pat D's World.... - Steve Eddy 12:53:50 09/07/06 (2)
- I'll Try To Clarify - thetubeguy1954 09:53:33 09/08/06 (1)
- Re: I'll Try To Clarify - Steve Eddy 11:03:12 09/08/06 (0)
- Admirable post - Pat D 11:04:28 09/07/06 (0)
- Well, the 9.6 microhenry per foot certainly is wrong. - jneutron 08:40:47 09/07/06 (0)
- You're really monomaniac and way too verbose... Much tiring... - Jacques 08:40:47 09/07/06 (1)
- Then Don't Read My Posts --- Simple Solution - thetubeguy1954 12:21:50 09/07/06 (0)
Follow Ups
- And You're Just Stating Opinions - thetubeguy1954 07:11:46 09/08/06 (1)
- The burden of proof... - KlausR. 08:56:59 09/08/06 (0)
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