In Reply to: RE: Ignore the doubters! posted by Garg0yle on September 20, 2015 at 11:29:44:
Listen, Garg0yle, nothing personal. I am sure you are a nice and sincere guy.
This subject is in fact very sophisticated. Big words and mostly non-obvious thinking. Most people don't have a clue that it even exists, but there are vast libraries of thought out there on these very questions.
I'm just pointing out for those who have ears to hear what I'm saying, that scholars who specialize in trying to understand how people "know" their world have a much more comprehensive view of the matter than civilians.
WHY do people who never studied this material think they are natural-born experts in it? I can only think, "One doesn't know what they don't know."
This extends to understanding how "Science" as a logical system and human social enterprise works. Most audio forum science is pretty close to trash, not so much in the realm of electronics where high-school lab conceptions are reasonably useful, but when EEs and guys who learned electronics in the Navy start talking anthropology and human research, it gets pretty silly.
This subject is neither easy nor obvious.
Big Science, modern physics works in a universe that is probabilistic and perspectival, whereas the EE lab is neither. It works on convenient fiction, a simplification that is good enough.
One of my engineering partners in Silbatone has a PhD in Solid State Physics and Material Science. He doesn't think all this wire stuff is absurd, even if he doesn't have a ready explanation. As I was saying, a REAL scientist will test his model against reality/experience and if they don't map each other, adjust the model.
I am pretty sure that when Dr. Bae things of current through a wire, he is on a totally different plane from myself and most DMM owners.
This is the key gesture in science, testing models vs.reality. Making top-down pronouncements from general law is a tiny part of it, cause there aren't that many laws.
Even major forces such as gravitation are poorly understood, except that we know "what" it does.
JUJU
I am saying that the "juju" might add something valuable to the important process of hands-one/ears-on experimentation, without in itself having much physical/physics grounding. Maybe it makes him feel good and inspires a deeper connection with what he is doing. I'm looking at the whole project and thinking...good work!
A bit flaky here and there but so what? Nice system!
I am a Virgo and basically a nerdy analytical person. I sometimes wish I had more juju and mambo in the mix, but I go with experience, observations, and my naturally questioning attitude and trust in that.
I really can't "explain" why people go for some of the crazy audio tweaks out there and to do so without trying it myself, I would feel like I am not checking my suspicions. But I really can't get interested in some of this microlevel tweaking when I have much bigger issues to deal with first.
More to the point, I also really catch a bad vibe off snake oil peddlers, and that is something else I'm interested in anthropologically. I'm from South Philly not Missouri, but I think some people out there want a wizard at the controls. I hear Shun Mook and I think they are trying to mook me.
Hey, what are we doing on SET forum. SE amps should blow compared to low distortion SS an PP amps, right?
How did we find out that they aren't so bad? Experimentation in the face of received wisdom.
Let's do more.
Don't throw out a chance to grow and expand understanding because of some wacko trying to sell seemingly bogus pucks. That is my message.
Don't buy the pucks. I know I wont.
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Whereof one cannot speak, thereof one must remain silent -- Wittgenstein
Free your mind and your ass will follow -- Parliament/Funkadelic
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- RE: Ignore the doubters! - Joe Roberts 12:31:34 09/20/15 (42)
- RE: Ignore the doubters! - cpotl 16:53:38 09/20/15 (39)
- Drawing the line - Joe Roberts 21:56:43 09/20/15 (38)
- MapleShade? - gusser 14:30:47 09/21/15 (27)
- RE: MapleShade? - Joe Roberts 14:35:48 09/21/15 (26)
- RE: MapleShade? - gusser 14:41:37 09/21/15 (25)
- Im going to report this to the CPSC! - gusser 16:31:32 09/21/15 (24)
- RE: Im going to report this to the CPSC! - danlaudionut 19:57:39 09/21/15 (23)
- You are free to: - gusser 22:16:49 09/21/15 (12)
- RE: You are free to: - danlaudionut 22:37:18 09/21/15 (11)
- er Dan?... it IS the hubris that.allows one to take that position. Freedom demands responsibility-nT - Cleantimestream 08:34:01 10/01/15 (0)
- RE: You are free to: - gusser 22:45:55 09/21/15 (9)
- RE: You are free to: - danlaudionut 23:01:22 09/21/15 (8)
- I don't see any porcelain around those prongs! - gusser 23:05:31 09/21/15 (7)
- RE: I don't see any porcelain around those prongs! - aknaydenov 23:23:35 09/21/15 (6)
- This is not about your amp! - gusser 23:28:30 09/21/15 (5)
- RE: This is not about your amp! - danlaudionut 04:11:30 09/22/15 (4)
- RE: This is not about your amp! - Garg0yle 06:21:57 09/22/15 (0)
- RE: This is not about your amp! - Joe Roberts 05:52:00 09/22/15 (2)
- These are well made a crazy affordable - Kloss 06:11:49 09/24/15 (1)
- Yup! That's all you need (nt) - gusser 13:04:00 09/24/15 (0)
- RE: Im going to report this to the CPSC! - Garg0yle 20:29:47 09/21/15 (9)
- RE: Im going to report this to the CPSC! - danlaudionut 21:02:58 09/21/15 (8)
- RE: Im going to report this to the CPSC! - gusser 22:35:56 09/21/15 (7)
- RE: Im going to report this to the CPSC! - danlaudionut 22:44:35 09/21/15 (6)
- So I'll ask again: - gusser 22:51:45 09/21/15 (5)
- RE: So I'll ask again: - danlaudionut 04:23:52 09/22/15 (4)
- RE: Sounds a lot like socialism Dan - deafbykhorns 10:11:50 10/01/15 (0)
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- RE: So I'll ask again: - Geary Lyons 16:57:34 09/30/15 (0)
- RE: So I'll ask again: - gusser 11:09:33 09/22/15 (0)
- RE: Drawing the line - dave slagle 07:53:54 09/21/15 (9)
- RE: Drawing the line - cpotl 09:04:08 09/21/15 (4)
- RE: Drawing the line - dave slagle 09:26:44 09/21/15 (3)
- RE: Drawing the line - cpotl 09:41:29 09/21/15 (2)
- RE: Drawing the line - dave slagle 09:52:16 09/21/15 (1)
- RE: Drawing the line - cpotl 11:20:43 09/21/15 (0)
- RE: Drawing the line - megasat16 09:00:18 09/21/15 (2)
- RE: Drawing the line - aknaydenov 23:21:30 09/21/15 (1)
- RE: Drawing the line - FlyCast 05:13:59 09/22/15 (0)
- RE: Drawing the line - Joe Roberts 08:49:45 09/21/15 (0)
- RE: Ignore the doubters! - Garg0yle 16:43:25 09/20/15 (1)
- RE: Ignore the doubters! - Joe Roberts 06:14:10 09/21/15 (0)