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In Reply to: You're still not being very clear posted by E-Stat on July 1, 2010 at 08:27:38:
2 speaker stereo does not have center channel. Sean's multi-channel has a center channel.
Nothing in Sean's text denies that there can be some center fill in the stereo image in 2 channel stereo. Sean likes stereo recordings better with a center channel in his multichannel system.
If you want to know in more detail why Sean Olive prefers to listen to his multichannel system, even with stereo recordings, you should ask him. I have not said whether I agree or disagree with him on that issue, or whether I think everything he recommends is practical for me personally. I am concerned with deliberate misrepresentations of what he said.
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Follow Ups Full ThreadTopic - Stereo vs. multichannel: what are your thoughts on this statement (inside). - carcass93 12:14:29 06/24/10 (152)
- Looks like they locked the thread down over on HA - Analog Scott 08:17:26 07/04/10 (1)
- You're not alone - several people there said something to that extent. - carcass93 10:00:42 07/04/10 (0)
- It's an expression of Sean Olive's preferences for listening to stereo recordings. - Pat D 02:03:03 07/02/10 (40)
- Pat, to put it bluntly: nobody here gives a damn.... - carcass93 12:30:24 07/02/10 (6)
- I tried to tell others what your purpose was . . . - Pat D 12:36:08 07/02/10 (5)
- It isn't that no one believed you, Pat... - robert young 14:46:32 07/02/10 (3)
- I'm begging you - please tell me it was obvious what my purpose was. - carcass93 18:08:00 07/02/10 (1)
- I hope it was to entertain me. - robert young 20:07:45 07/02/10 (0)
- Gee, that's funny - E-Stat 15:10:47 07/02/10 (0)
- I'm always at a loss of words when somebody pretends... - carcass93 13:01:50 07/02/10 (0)
- Clearly he prefers - E-Stat 08:34:39 07/02/10 (32)
- RE: Clearly he prefers - Pat D 08:45:24 07/02/10 (31)
- "It's an expression of Sean Olive's preferences for listening to stereo recordings." - Analog Scott 09:03:10 07/04/10 (3)
- RE: "It's an expression of Sean Olive's preferences for listening to stereo recordings." - Phelonious Ponk 05:57:20 07/06/10 (2)
- RE: "It's an expression of Sean Olive's preferences for listening to stereo recordings." - Analog Scott 06:00:39 07/06/10 (1)
- RE: "It's an expression of Sean Olive's preferences for listening to stereo recordings." - Phelonious Ponk 14:17:41 07/06/10 (0)
- Follow the link - E-Stat 09:00:23 07/02/10 (26)
- RE: Follow the link - Pat D 10:32:49 07/02/10 (25)
- Tell me - E-Stat 11:03:58 07/02/10 (24)
- RE: Tell me - Pat D 11:45:41 07/02/10 (23)
- Once again you have an aversion to answering simple questions - E-Stat 12:03:10 07/02/10 (22)
- Actually, I did answer it. I said it was irrelevant. (nt) - Pat D 12:15:23 07/02/10 (21)
- In that case, we'll ignore your uninformed speculations -nt - E-Stat 12:49:41 07/02/10 (20)
- It's mentioned in the link you already provided. - Pat D 19:36:01 07/02/10 (19)
- What suddenly caused the webpage - E-Stat 21:16:07 07/02/10 (18)
- What are you trying to imply? - Pat D 07:41:37 07/03/10 (17)
- Yes, implying! What is the relevance? - Pat D 08:47:23 07/03/10 (15)
- I read fine about the availability to do such in cars - E-Stat 09:01:24 07/03/10 (14)
- HT, home audio, car audio, PC and Mac . . . versatile software. - Pat D 09:28:23 07/03/10 (13)
- We have now returned full circle to my original observation - E-Stat 09:31:24 07/03/10 (12)
- Now you're changing your story to be more correct! - Pat D 11:46:03 07/03/10 (11)
- What makes you think that the "Logic 7 car stereo decoder" - E-Stat 11:48:36 07/03/10 (10)
- Did I make a pronouncement either way on that? - Pat D 16:08:48 07/03/10 (9)
- The core kernel... - E-Stat 07:25:59 07/04/10 (8)
- RE: In other words, it isn't -nt - theaudiohobby 02:59:11 07/06/10 (7)
- Nonsense. It works identically - E-Stat 09:21:25 07/06/10 (6)
- RE: As expected, you've modified your comments, it's now - theaudiohobby 12:03:12 07/06/10 (5)
- What other standpoint is there? - E-Stat 12:12:37 07/06/10 (4)
- RE: What other standpoint is there? - Tony Lauck 13:00:23 07/06/10 (3)
- Let's return to the context of this discussion - E-Stat 13:18:41 07/06/10 (2)
- Pat's Authority is Peddling this stuff... - Tony Lauck 14:04:42 07/06/10 (1)
- "Peddling" indeed - E-Stat 14:20:23 07/06/10 (0)
- Imply? - E-Stat 07:58:27 07/03/10 (0)
- RE: Since music reproduction is imagined anyway... - gymwear5@hotmail.com 08:41:38 06/29/10 (0)
- RE: Stereo vs. multichannel: what are your thoughts on this statement (inside). - rjd 20:32:17 06/26/10 (0)
- That "sense of envelopment and spaciousness" . . . - caspian@peak.org 11:23:05 06/26/10 (2)
- RE: That "sense of envelopment and spaciousness" . . . - Pat D 17:18:45 07/01/10 (1)
- Audience vs. performer perspective - caspian@peak.org 13:25:56 07/04/10 (0)
- RE: Stereo vs. multichannel: what are your thoughts on this statement (inside). - Phelonious Ponk 05:17:15 06/26/10 (36)
- OMG - Dawnrazor 23:28:32 07/04/10 (3)
- RE: OMG - Phelonious Ponk 05:21:53 07/05/10 (2)
- Yet, in Wilson ads... - E-Stat 09:14:33 07/05/10 (1)
- RE: Yet, in Wilson ads... - Phelonious Ponk 06:10:42 07/07/10 (0)
- OK... how about a test in linked HA thread - is that also advancing "science"? - carcass93 09:10:02 06/28/10 (23)
- RE: OK... how about a test in linked HA thread - is that also advancing "science"? - Phelonious Ponk 17:56:55 06/28/10 (0)
- LOL! You should get your facts straight . . . - Pat D 10:53:54 06/28/10 (21)
- I love when somebody like you takes exception - helps everybody to see your depth,... - carcass93 11:21:18 06/28/10 (20)
- I should correct you on your logic, too. - Pat D 20:31:11 07/02/10 (18)
- Why did you post a link to jj's bio? - robert young 09:14:39 07/03/10 (15)
- RE: Why did you post a link to jj's bio? - Tony Lauck 07:24:46 07/05/10 (7)
- Mellowed? I would hope so - E-Stat 09:08:29 07/05/10 (1)
- Nothing has changed in the 4 years since... - robert young 11:40:32 07/05/10 (0)
- He acts like it wasn't his responsibility... - robert young 07:32:44 07/05/10 (4)
- RE: He acts like it wasn't his responsibility... - Pat D 10:34:44 07/05/10 (3)
- RE: He acts like it wasn't his responsibility... - robert young 05:09:10 07/06/10 (2)
- His posts tended to be lossy, too. :) -nt - E-Stat 10:45:35 07/06/10 (1)
- If he were here, he'd demand an immediate apology for your inflammatory post :) (nt) - kerr 09:18:38 07/09/10 (0)
- RE: Why did you post a link to jj's bio? - Pat D 17:32:22 07/04/10 (4)
- "not know who jj is" - yeah... like that's possible. - carcass93 08:00:44 07/05/10 (0)
- No "problem with that." - robert young 05:04:23 07/05/10 (2)
- RE: No "problem with that." - Pat D 10:32:34 07/05/10 (1)
- Missed my own typo! - robert young 05:10:19 07/06/10 (0)
- I, too, posted a jj link! - Tony Lauck 14:31:35 07/03/10 (1)
- I'd be worried about you too... - robert young 15:20:47 07/03/10 (0)
- Who are the Grand Inquisitors? - Tony Lauck 07:45:32 07/03/10 (1)
- {Ego meets Cognitive dissonance} "I heard you twice the first time" ~NT - Cleantimestream 08:02:27 07/14/10 (0)
- Have you compared Sean Olive's multi-channel system with stereo? - Pat D 12:01:15 06/28/10 (0)
- RE: Stereo vs. multichannel: what are your thoughts on this statement (inside). - Analog Scott 01:02:48 06/27/10 (7)
- RE: Stereo vs. multichannel: what are your thoughts on this statement (inside). - Phelonious Ponk 04:25:35 06/27/10 (6)
- RE: Stereo vs. multichannel: what are your thoughts on this statement (inside). - Analog Scott 06:33:53 06/27/10 (5)
- RE: Stereo vs. multichannel: what are your thoughts on this statement (inside). - Phelonious Ponk 09:06:21 06/27/10 (4)
- RE: Stereo vs. multichannel: what are your thoughts on this statement (inside). - Analog Scott 09:50:27 06/27/10 (3)
- RE: Stereo vs. multichannel: what are your thoughts on this statement (inside). - Phelonious Ponk 17:37:23 06/27/10 (2)
- RE: Stereo vs. multichannel: what are your thoughts on this statement (inside). - Analog Scott 01:44:13 06/28/10 (1)
- RE: Stereo vs. multichannel: what are your thoughts on this statement (inside). - Phelonious Ponk 03:35:02 06/28/10 (0)
- RE: Stereo vs. multichannel: what are your thoughts on this statement (inside). - Todd Krieger 00:02:15 06/26/10 (0)
- If I ever heard a MC that impressed me I might be interested, but even then there is the expense of adding - Norm 19:57:33 06/25/10 (0)
- RE: Stereo vs. multichannel: what are your thoughts on this statement (inside). - Don Till 18:25:33 06/25/10 (0)
- Vertually ALL multichannel is FAKE! - Don_C 15:24:58 06/25/10 (5)
- ALL music is FAKE! - Dr. Philosophy 06:45:01 07/03/10 (0)
- Fake what? It's all an illusion and its all fake. - Don Till 18:38:11 06/25/10 (1)
- It's ALL fake. :-) - Tony Lauck 06:33:41 06/26/10 (0)
- You should change that to ALL RECORDINGS ARE FAKE nt - Robert Hamel 18:26:16 06/25/10 (1)
- Yabbut some are faker than others... (nt) - Presto 22:37:11 07/04/10 (0)
- I enjoy both - Robert Hamel 15:02:59 06/25/10 (0)
- RE: Stereo vs. multichannel: what are your thoughts on this statement (inside). - tomservo 09:25:35 06/25/10 (0)
- Simple - kerr 07:22:40 06/25/10 (0)
- a few thoughts. after all this was a conversation i was having with Sean.. - Analog Scott 04:13:30 06/25/10 (43)
- BTW, there is a use for the VPI Bricks - E-Stat 13:24:42 06/25/10 (0)
- Sean Olive? -nt - E-Stat 10:42:23 06/25/10 (41)
- Bingo. N/T - carcass93 10:45:28 06/25/10 (40)
- I was reading his latest blog - E-Stat 12:12:06 06/25/10 (39)
- It's pretty amusing to watch him butting heads with AJinFLA over on Hydrogen,... - carcass93 12:40:40 06/25/10 (38)
- It's pretty amusing to watch c-93 misuse the English language. - Pat D 14:15:21 06/29/10 (37)
- Did you write that? It's terrible English. - robert young 15:09:41 06/30/10 (36)
- Since you haven't followed the discussion . . . - Pat D 18:36:02 06/30/10 (35)
- So you can somehow tell what posts I read? - robert young 04:26:00 07/01/10 (12)
- RE: So you can somehow tell what posts I read? - Pat D 07:34:24 07/01/10 (11)
- You're lost in translation, Pat. - robert young 13:03:40 07/01/10 (4)
- So where was c93 "spot on?" - Pat D 16:24:12 07/01/10 (3)
- Umm, he got two out of three. You identified the one, so the answer must be the other two. - robert young 09:43:59 07/02/10 (2)
- RE: Umm, he got two out of three. You identified the one, so the answer must be the other two. - Pat D 10:45:01 07/02/10 (1)
- It is geting worse for you. But it IS amusing to witness. - robert young 14:42:27 07/02/10 (0)
- You're still not being very clear - E-Stat 08:27:38 07/01/10 (5)
- Center channel. - Pat D 10:37:12 07/01/10 (4)
- You chose to NOT answer my question - E-Stat 10:51:26 07/01/10 (3)
- If you want Sean Olive's opinion, ask him. - Pat D 12:29:29 07/01/10 (2)
- Curious backpeddling - E-Stat 12:37:40 07/01/10 (1)
- Not me. - Pat D 12:48:10 07/01/10 (0)
- RE: Since you haven't followed the discussion . . . - Tony Lauck 19:30:35 06/30/10 (21)
- RE: Since you haven't followed the discussion . . . - Pat D 07:31:22 07/01/10 (20)
- RE: Since you haven't followed the discussion . . . - Tony Lauck 08:07:05 07/01/10 (19)
- Nonsense. - Pat D 10:17:16 07/01/10 (18)
- Please stop embarrassing yourself. - robert young 13:14:01 07/01/10 (2)
- Why don't you read the whole text for context? - Pat D 14:14:18 07/01/10 (1)
- I did, and many here have, and you're still wrong... - robert young 04:47:58 07/02/10 (0)
- I decline to take a third dip in your pool of confusion. nt - Tony Lauck 12:01:16 07/01/10 (14)
- You're the one confused. - Pat D 01:53:07 07/02/10 (13)
- Read Olive's quote again Pat: the system is not a specific one. - robert young 05:39:22 07/02/10 (12)
- Changes nothing relevant. - Pat D 08:39:14 07/02/10 (8)
- But I didn't atack Sean, I attacked your interpretation of what he wrote. - robert young 09:29:27 07/02/10 (7)
- I never said *you* did. - Pat D 10:32:02 07/02/10 (6)
- RE: I never said *you* did. - robert young 20:05:03 07/02/10 (5)
- What I did in concurring with C93's observation - E-Stat 07:49:54 07/03/10 (4)
- It's is - if he's your idol, that you worship, and are never allowed to question. N/T - carcass93 08:28:06 07/03/10 (3)
- Naw, you're my idol (nt) - Pat D 16:10:01 07/03/10 (2)
- Is that the "whether you mean it or not" part of Flanders & Swan? :) - kerr 05:10:07 07/04/10 (1)
- RE: Is that the "whether you mean it or not" part of Flanders & Swan? :) - Pat D 17:34:34 07/04/10 (0)
- RE: Read Olive's quote again Pat: the system is not a specific one. - Tony Lauck 07:08:17 07/02/10 (2)
- RE: HA - rick_m 08:46:17 07/04/10 (0)
- "why HA continues to exist" - it's a social club, that just happens... - carcass93 18:34:47 07/02/10 (0)
- RE: Stereo vs. multichannel: what are your thoughts on this statement (inside). - Tony Lauck 14:34:55 06/24/10 (2)
- RE: Stereo vs. multichannel: what are your thoughts on this statement (inside). - kerr 07:20:08 06/25/10 (1)
- RE: Stereo vs. multichannel: what are your thoughts on this statement (inside). - Tony Lauck 07:32:54 06/25/10 (0)
- "Real multichannel" - E-Stat 12:44:12 06/24/10 (3)
- Are you sayin... - mkuller 19:08:35 06/24/10 (1)
- I remember hearing my first Quadraphonic recording - E-Stat 06:09:59 06/25/10 (0)
- Eloquently put. I agree 1000% (nt) - Presto 12:55:16 06/24/10 (0)
- RE: Stereo vs. multichannel: what are your thoughts on this statement (inside). - Presto 12:38:32 06/24/10 (3)
- RE: Stereo vs. multichannel: what are your thoughts on this statement (inside). - soulfood 06:02:03 06/26/10 (0)
- See - we can actually agree on something! But my point is this: - carcass93 12:56:51 06/24/10 (1)
- Naturally - E-Stat 13:22:53 06/24/10 (0)
Follow Ups
- Center channel. - Pat D 10:37:12 07/01/10 (4)
- You chose to NOT answer my question - E-Stat 10:51:26 07/01/10 (3)
- If you want Sean Olive's opinion, ask him. - Pat D 12:29:29 07/01/10 (2)
- Curious backpeddling - E-Stat 12:37:40 07/01/10 (1)
- Not me. - Pat D 12:48:10 07/01/10 (0)