In Reply to: Stereo vs. multichannel: what are your thoughts on this statement (inside). posted by carcass93 on June 24, 2010 at 12:14:29:
You probably won't be surprised to hear that I kind of like Sean Olive. I think he's doing some seriously good things for good sound. I disagree with him on this one, though. 5-channel and 7-channel surround is "enveloping," and I can understand how, if you listened to it all the time, stereo would then sound wrong. But I'm convinced that the 5 and 7 channel stereo is what is wrong. When they start remixing all my classic jazz recordings in surround with the goal not of "enveloping" me, but of recreating the ambience of the performance venue, then I'll be interested. Until that time comes, 2-channel still rules and, in my system, it hangs a rock solid center image in front of me.But a couple of things said in this thread are just not accurate and are bordering on personal. One is that Olive has spent his career trying to discredit audiophile beliefs. That's nonsense. Harman International has audiophile companies in its roster and what Olive spends his career doing is very carefully constructing, running, evaluating, altering and re-running tests aimed at understanding how we hear what we hear and what we prefer. Like all research, it has gaps you can squeeze through if his conclusions challenge your personal beliefs, but I assure you he didn't have challenging your beliefs in mind. He had his job in mind, which is helping his company develop products that professionals, audiophiles and regular consumers will like and buy.
Second, having actually read his columns, I disagree with Analog Scott that Olive "seems to be against the idea that taste in sound may actually vary from person to person." I don't think he's against that idea at all. Doing the kind of research he does, I'm sure he has observed it many times. What that research has revealed, though, is that more often than not, most people (and it cuts across age, sex, and listening experience) end up preferring the same stuff. Another thing it has revealed, over time, is that people's blind, subjective impressions of sound very often reflect what is seen in the measurements. Imagine that.
I don't find this at all surprising. Given a fair comparison -- matched volumes, inability to see the price tags, logos, fancy or plain cabinets, etc. -- I expect most people to have very good ears. Our ears and brains are very well engineered. It's our minds that get in the way.
P
Edits: 06/26/10
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- RE: Stereo vs. multichannel: what are your thoughts on this statement (inside). - Phelonious Ponk 05:17:15 06/26/10 (36)
- OMG - Dawnrazor 23:28:32 07/04/10 (3)
- RE: OMG - Phelonious Ponk 05:21:53 07/05/10 (2)
- Yet, in Wilson ads... - E-Stat 09:14:33 07/05/10 (1)
- RE: Yet, in Wilson ads... - Phelonious Ponk 06:10:42 07/07/10 (0)
- OK... how about a test in linked HA thread - is that also advancing "science"? - carcass93 09:10:02 06/28/10 (23)
- RE: OK... how about a test in linked HA thread - is that also advancing "science"? - Phelonious Ponk 17:56:55 06/28/10 (0)
- LOL! You should get your facts straight . . . - Pat D 10:53:54 06/28/10 (21)
- I love when somebody like you takes exception - helps everybody to see your depth,... - carcass93 11:21:18 06/28/10 (20)
- I should correct you on your logic, too. - Pat D 20:31:11 07/02/10 (18)
- Why did you post a link to jj's bio? - robert young 09:14:39 07/03/10 (15)
- RE: Why did you post a link to jj's bio? - Tony Lauck 07:24:46 07/05/10 (7)
- Mellowed? I would hope so - E-Stat 09:08:29 07/05/10 (1)
- Nothing has changed in the 4 years since... - robert young 11:40:32 07/05/10 (0)
- He acts like it wasn't his responsibility... - robert young 07:32:44 07/05/10 (4)
- RE: He acts like it wasn't his responsibility... - Pat D 10:34:44 07/05/10 (3)
- RE: He acts like it wasn't his responsibility... - robert young 05:09:10 07/06/10 (2)
- His posts tended to be lossy, too. :) -nt - E-Stat 10:45:35 07/06/10 (1)
- If he were here, he'd demand an immediate apology for your inflammatory post :) (nt) - kerr 09:18:38 07/09/10 (0)
- RE: Why did you post a link to jj's bio? - Pat D 17:32:22 07/04/10 (4)
- "not know who jj is" - yeah... like that's possible. - carcass93 08:00:44 07/05/10 (0)
- No "problem with that." - robert young 05:04:23 07/05/10 (2)
- RE: No "problem with that." - Pat D 10:32:34 07/05/10 (1)
- Missed my own typo! - robert young 05:10:19 07/06/10 (0)
- I, too, posted a jj link! - Tony Lauck 14:31:35 07/03/10 (1)
- I'd be worried about you too... - robert young 15:20:47 07/03/10 (0)
- Who are the Grand Inquisitors? - Tony Lauck 07:45:32 07/03/10 (1)
- {Ego meets Cognitive dissonance} "I heard you twice the first time" ~NT - Cleantimestream 08:02:27 07/14/10 (0)
- Have you compared Sean Olive's multi-channel system with stereo? - Pat D 12:01:15 06/28/10 (0)
- RE: Stereo vs. multichannel: what are your thoughts on this statement (inside). - Analog Scott 01:02:48 06/27/10 (7)
- RE: Stereo vs. multichannel: what are your thoughts on this statement (inside). - Phelonious Ponk 04:25:35 06/27/10 (6)
- RE: Stereo vs. multichannel: what are your thoughts on this statement (inside). - Analog Scott 06:33:53 06/27/10 (5)
- RE: Stereo vs. multichannel: what are your thoughts on this statement (inside). - Phelonious Ponk 09:06:21 06/27/10 (4)
- RE: Stereo vs. multichannel: what are your thoughts on this statement (inside). - Analog Scott 09:50:27 06/27/10 (3)
- RE: Stereo vs. multichannel: what are your thoughts on this statement (inside). - Phelonious Ponk 17:37:23 06/27/10 (2)
- RE: Stereo vs. multichannel: what are your thoughts on this statement (inside). - Analog Scott 01:44:13 06/28/10 (1)
- RE: Stereo vs. multichannel: what are your thoughts on this statement (inside). - Phelonious Ponk 03:35:02 06/28/10 (0)