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In Reply to: Re: Cryo treating CD's epiphany posted by Gerald Y. on December 28, 2001 at 16:07:25:
("you managed to recommend a DBT")
I believe the post was referring to a BT.("in a DBT free zone")
You may wish to familiarize yourself with the forum rules before commenting further.
Blind testing was born from our increasing understanding how outside influences and biases can influence human perception. Whether testing taste, smell, sight, hearing, touch and believe it or not the ability to think, it is very difficult and maybe impossible to be completely objective. Even though many obviuously feel BT testing methods are not perfect and biases can still influence results these results are in my opinion a hell of a lot more reliable than "because I said so".
If you don't accept the results of objective testing as a means of cutting through the BS I don't fully understand what you do accept as fact, a marketing slogan on a box maybe? Do you live on faith alone?
("You can not slap the digits on art and our perception/experience of
art and so you and your lot use denial of that experience based on statistical relevance blah blah blah to shore up your
argument")I for one don't deny these experiences and most often don't care to quantify them but I do keep an open mind when looking to explain them. My vehicle always seems to drives smoother and quieter after I wash it and clean the interior. Using our imagination many theories could be put forth to explain the phenomenon but without accepted testing how would you ever know. You may ask why would you want to know. I suppose if I began washing my car 3 times a day expecting a driveability improvement with each washing objective
evidence as to the cause/effect relationship would be nice to have.When dealing with any of the human senses there are endless variables at play being processed by our brains I believe it is extremely difficult to be objective. When, in this hobby, the pursuit of happiness leads to money being spent on tweaks and the like that may offer subtle improvements it's easy to understand the skepticism felt by many even in the face of only subjective evidence. I think many of us "types" have witnessed improvements and subtle perceived sonic differences from one listening session to the next with no equipment changes at all, some of these perceptions not unlike the sonic improvements claimed to be available by using certain tweaks. Here lies the problem, would the money spent for the desired effect be better spent on happy pills? When dealing with such subtleties of perception and possibly much $$ it is natural for some to gather evidence, reliable or not, and to sort out for themselves the validity of marketing hype and anecdotal claims. Blind testing appears to be
generally accepted in many fields as a relatively reliable method of obtaining information. If you don't find this testing method valid what recommendations do you have that may generate better data?("I see other Audio Review types")
("Try using your ears and brain to examine your musical experience and you might just find more enjoyment in...")
Your disrespectful attitudes towards others noted in your post are, in my opinion, uncalled for and are continued evidence of your ignorance.
Cheers.
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Follow Ups
- Re: Cryo treating CD's epiphany - Hafdef 23:31:56 12/28/01 (2)
- The question is subjective vs. objective and name calling settles nothing - Norm 13:02:38 12/29/01 (1)
- Re: The question is subjective vs. objective and name calling settles nothing - Hafdef 21:52:32 12/30/01 (0)
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