In Reply to: Still clueless Duke (home theater computer simulations don't identify best sub location for ALL 2-channel audio rooms!) posted by Richard BassNut Greene on March 7, 2007 at 09:15:32:
Hi Richard,Well before I get into replying to the points you raise, I have enjoyed this exchange and appreciate your efforts to keep it from entering the all-too-common internet thread death-spiral. And I'm sure you've wanted to be a bit more emphatic at times!
I'm not arguing for or against Welti's position. I'm only interested in what his data shows.
Acoustic principles established in one room can indeed be applied to other rooms. I bet all of the acoustic principles that come into play in your room were first established somewhere else. When a pattern is seen among several researchers indicating that scattered multiple subs results in smoother in-room response, maybe there's something to it.
You are right about the expense: Four small subs will be more expensive that one or two larger ones of equal quality and summed output capability. But some people are more interested in quality than quanity, and will make trade-offs accordingly.
If I might sum up your position, perhaps it would be, "Bass measured in the sweet spot is the only bass important to a two-channel system owner." Correct me if I'm wrong.
If I might sum up my position, it would be, "Scattered multiple subwoofers done right improves the bass everywhere in the room, including the sweet spot."
Duke
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Follow Ups
- It takes one to know one ... ;o) - Duke 10:13:33 03/07/07 (15)
- Average the frequency response at multiple seats "smooths" the bass (average enough seats and standing waves disappear!) - Richard BassNut Greene 09:47:21 03/08/07 (14)
- No, that's NOT what I'm saying. Average the output of multiple subs at any ONE seat. - Duke 12:56:05 03/08/07 (13)
- Duke Duke Duke Duke of Earl .... If I charged you for corrections to your posts, I'd be rich! - Richard BassNut Greene 09:24:58 03/09/07 (12)
- If we both charged we'd both be rich - and I could afford an equalizer and you could afford another sub! - Duke 10:19:41 03/09/07 (11)
- "I am suggesting an alternative that will offer a significant improvement throughout the room," = baloney - Richard BassNut Greene 13:58:53 03/09/07 (10)
- baloney - Duke 01:07:54 03/10/07 (9)
- Not only are you wrong about "scattered subwoofers" for two- channel audio, but your Mother also wears Army boots! - Richard BassNut Greene 09:40:57 03/10/07 (8)
- Time for some quotes - Duke 12:22:59 03/10/07 (7)
- Quotes can be BS too. Where are the two-channel audio listening tests with real human audiophiles? - Richard BassNut Greene 08:45:46 03/12/07 (6)
- "Quotes can be BS too" is not an argument - Duke 11:03:20 03/12/07 (5)
- You've got "experts" -- I've got "experts" But none of them agree on sub locations (the right answer is "I don't know!") - Richard BassNut Greene 09:14:57 03/13/07 (4)
- My turn to question - Duke 14:02:08 03/13/07 (3)
- I think I have just enough steam left to get in the last word - Richard BassNut Greene 15:10:18 03/13/07 (2)
- Show's over folks. Move along. - Duke 15:23:28 03/13/07 (1)
- They were all snoring after my third post ! - Richard BassNut Greene 08:49:18 03/14/07 (0)