In Reply to: Duke Duke Duke Duke of Earl .... If I charged you for corrections to your posts, I'd be rich! posted by Richard BassNut Greene on March 9, 2007 at 09:24:58:
I was mistaken to assume that you were using two subs, so thanks for correcting me on that.I misunderstood what you were saying about bass transients. You are correct that the impact harmonics are not reproduced by the subwoofer. But if the deep bass is indeed non-directional as you have previously stated, then the deep bass does not need to be reproduced from the same physical location as the upper frequencies.
With your single subwoofer closer to one speaker than the other, you are doing exactly what you just objected to - namely, not reproducing the deep bass from the same location as the upper frequencies. And it works fine because the deep bass doesn't need to be reproduced from the same location as the upper frequencies.
You misunderstood what I was saying about Griesinger's 90 degree out-of-phase technique, rather than repeat myself I'll suggest you take another look at what I wrote.
The 4.8 dB you mention regarding dipoles is related to the directivity index, and not modal excitation characteristics. 100% of the reflected energy ends up bouncing around the room, whether the source is a monopole or a dipole. Monopoles and dipoles excite the room modes differently but dipoles do not excite fewer room modes. Dipoles do have a smoother in-room bass characteristic (James M. Kates, "Dipole Loudspeaker Response In Listening Rooms"). So do scattered multiple subwoofers, for the reasons given in my previous post.
If you are happiest with a single equalized subwoofer, that's fine. I am suggesting an alternative that will offer a significant improvement throughout the room, not just in one place.
Duke
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Follow Ups
- If we both charged we'd both be rich - and I could afford an equalizer and you could afford another sub! - Duke 10:19:41 03/09/07 (11)
- "I am suggesting an alternative that will offer a significant improvement throughout the room," = baloney - Richard BassNut Greene 13:58:53 03/09/07 (10)
- baloney - Duke 01:07:54 03/10/07 (9)
- Not only are you wrong about "scattered subwoofers" for two- channel audio, but your Mother also wears Army boots! - Richard BassNut Greene 09:40:57 03/10/07 (8)
- Time for some quotes - Duke 12:22:59 03/10/07 (7)
- Quotes can be BS too. Where are the two-channel audio listening tests with real human audiophiles? - Richard BassNut Greene 08:45:46 03/12/07 (6)
- "Quotes can be BS too" is not an argument - Duke 11:03:20 03/12/07 (5)
- You've got "experts" -- I've got "experts" But none of them agree on sub locations (the right answer is "I don't know!") - Richard BassNut Greene 09:14:57 03/13/07 (4)
- My turn to question - Duke 14:02:08 03/13/07 (3)
- I think I have just enough steam left to get in the last word - Richard BassNut Greene 15:10:18 03/13/07 (2)
- Show's over folks. Move along. - Duke 15:23:28 03/13/07 (1)
- They were all snoring after my third post ! - Richard BassNut Greene 08:49:18 03/14/07 (0)