In Reply to: Re: scattered multiple subwoofer system posted by Duke on March 3, 2007 at 11:36:00:
Not everyone has access to the AES library, so let me cite something that's more readily available.Addressing the issue of multiple low frequency sources vs a single low frequency source, Earl Geddes (a physicist specializing in small room acoustics and consultant specializing in loudspeaker design) wrote this in a Speaker Asylum post on October 30, 2005:
"At a single point in space, one can EQ the response, of course, but that has been shown to actually make the problem worse at other points, so it is not a global solution. To some, like myself, it is not a solution at all. The spatial variations, and to a certain extent the frequency response variations, will go down (get smoother) as 1/N, where N is the number of independent sources. In your example above the main channels having two woofers and then two subs goes a long ways towards a smoother response, about 1/4 the variation or four times better than one sub."
So here we have a case made for the use of multiple subs (and four is probably approaching the point of diminishing returns). But, where should they go?
Below is a link to a very short (two page) informal paper posted by Earl on his website. This documents the difference between placing four subwoofers one in each corner, and four subwoofers randomly, in a rectangular room. The different colored curves on the graphs are for different listening positions. This is not an in-depth study but is useful as a comparison of symmetrical vs asymmetrical positioning.
As you will see, scattering the subs results in significantly smoother bass at each of the three listening positions modelled in the simulation.
Duke
p.s. - If you ever want to do some educational casual reading, do an "advanced search" of Speaker Asylum posts by "egeddes".
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Follow Ups
- A more accessible source or two - Duke 14:18:30 03/04/07 (21)
- Earl Geddes' advice is for surround sound home theaters -- it does not apply to two-channel stereo - Richard BassNut Greene 09:52:37 03/05/07 (20)
- Not true - the acoustics does not change. - Duke 10:12:56 03/05/07 (19)
- A comparison of two subwoofer alternatives in one room proves nothing and Earl should be the first person to admit that - Richard BassNut Greene 11:38:55 03/06/07 (18)
- A mistake you consistently make - Duke 11:46:25 03/06/07 (17)
- Still clueless Duke (home theater computer simulations don't identify best sub location for ALL 2-channel audio rooms!) - Richard BassNut Greene 09:15:32 03/07/07 (16)
- It takes one to know one ... ;o) - Duke 10:13:33 03/07/07 (15)
- Average the frequency response at multiple seats "smooths" the bass (average enough seats and standing waves disappear!) - Richard BassNut Greene 09:47:21 03/08/07 (14)
- No, that's NOT what I'm saying. Average the output of multiple subs at any ONE seat. - Duke 12:56:05 03/08/07 (13)
- Duke Duke Duke Duke of Earl .... If I charged you for corrections to your posts, I'd be rich! - Richard BassNut Greene 09:24:58 03/09/07 (12)
- If we both charged we'd both be rich - and I could afford an equalizer and you could afford another sub! - Duke 10:19:41 03/09/07 (11)
- "I am suggesting an alternative that will offer a significant improvement throughout the room," = baloney - Richard BassNut Greene 13:58:53 03/09/07 (10)
- baloney - Duke 01:07:54 03/10/07 (9)
- Not only are you wrong about "scattered subwoofers" for two- channel audio, but your Mother also wears Army boots! - Richard BassNut Greene 09:40:57 03/10/07 (8)
- Time for some quotes - Duke 12:22:59 03/10/07 (7)
- Quotes can be BS too. Where are the two-channel audio listening tests with real human audiophiles? - Richard BassNut Greene 08:45:46 03/12/07 (6)
- "Quotes can be BS too" is not an argument - Duke 11:03:20 03/12/07 (5)
- You've got "experts" -- I've got "experts" But none of them agree on sub locations (the right answer is "I don't know!") - Richard BassNut Greene 09:14:57 03/13/07 (4)
- My turn to question - Duke 14:02:08 03/13/07 (3)
- I think I have just enough steam left to get in the last word - Richard BassNut Greene 15:10:18 03/13/07 (2)
- Show's over folks. Move along. - Duke 15:23:28 03/13/07 (1)
- They were all snoring after my third post ! - Richard BassNut Greene 08:49:18 03/14/07 (0)