It's the sound quality in a real room that I'm interested in -- not computer simulations never tested by real ears! - Richard BassNut Greene

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Topic - Subwoofer recommendations - Apokalypse 18:29:14 02/28/07 (72)

Oh, I missed that little detail......Doh! - Quiet Earth 21:41:05 03/05/07 (0)

Try moving your speakers into the room and putting yourself against the wall. - Quiet Earth 21:17:27 03/05/07 (0)

Re: Subwoofer recommendations - Apokalypse 20:07:37 03/05/07 (0)

Recommendation: avoid a sub entirely - hukkfinn 18:46:23 03/03/07 (0)

You might want to look at a horn loaded sub - djn 07:43:47 03/01/07 (1)

Re: You might want to look at a horn loaded sub - Bubba 07:04:27 03/02/07 (0)

An argument for multiple subs - Duke 23:36:29 02/28/07 (65)

Can't argue against two subs ... but your arguments for them are wrong - Richard BassNut Greene 09:24:09 03/02/07 (57)

Re: Can't argue against two subs ... but your arguments for them are wrong - Craiger56 11:31:55 03/02/07 (0)

reply - Duke 10:35:32 03/02/07 (55)

I'll put on my thinking cap and offer a long-winded reply to the reply - Richard BassNut Greene 14:57:17 03/02/07 (51)

Long-winded reply to, ah... your reply to my... um... reply - Duke 17:13:38 03/02/07 (50)

scattered multiple subwoofer system - Richard BassNut Greene 09:27:01 03/03/07 (49)

Re: scattered multiple subwoofer system - Duke 11:36:00 03/03/07 (48)

The Welti paper is not worth the paper it is printed on if good bass at one seat is your goal - Richard BassNut Greene 09:45:03 03/05/07 (24)

While I don't agree with some of Welti's conclusions... - Duke 10:08:59 03/05/07 (23)

Welti averages 16 seating positions -- this is worthless for two-channel audio -- many are confused by his priorities - Richard BassNut Greene 11:19:13 03/06/07 (22)

Re: Welti comments - twelti 15:48:53 03/11/07 (1)

Duke caused the commotion by quoting your paper at a primarily two-channel audio website - Richard BassNut Greene 14:33:25 03/13/07 (0)

The acoustics does not change in the bass region. - Duke 11:42:36 03/06/07 (19)

If you think computer simulations in one virtual room results in conclusions for ALL rooms, you're a lost audiophile! - Richard BassNut Greene 10:07:21 03/07/07 (18)

Acoustic principles don't change from room to room - only the specific application of those principles changes - Duke 10:32:08 03/07/07 (17)

Did it ever occur to you that every so-called "expert" you cite has a DIFFERENT sub location recommendation !!!!!!!!!! - Richard BassNut Greene 08:38:46 03/08/07 (16)

It is the data I am most interested in; I draw my own conclusions. (nt) - Duke 09:22:19 03/08/07 (15)

It's the sound quality in a real room that I'm interested in -- not computer simulations never tested by real ears! - Richard BassNut Greene 09:52:24 03/08/07 (14)

So... if I tell you that I've tried both and my way works best, will that convince you? - Duke 11:36:37 03/08/07 (13)

Adding a third or fourth subwoofer may improve bass at your seat in your room ... or maybe make it worse! - Richard BassNut Greene 08:26:52 03/09/07 (12)

Adding additional subs almost always results in smoothing. - Duke 09:29:21 03/09/07 (11)

$10,000 says my one subwoofer + parametric EQ will be smoother than your three or four subwoofers in 9 out of 10 rooms - Richard BassNut Greene 13:40:32 03/09/07 (10)

Depends on parameters of the contest - Duke 14:13:09 03/09/07 (9)

Three or four "scattered subwoofers" all located on the floor = sonic disaster - Richard BassNut Greene 09:23:41 03/10/07 (8)

not true - Duke 13:58:37 03/10/07 (7)

Re: some comments - twelti 15:54:39 03/11/07 (6)

Your paper applies to surround sound but many readers assume 4 subs are best for two-channel - Richard BassNut Greene 08:31:20 03/12/07 (2)

Re: Your paper applies to surround sound but many readers assume 4 subs are best for two-channel - twelti 21:45:37 03/12/07 (1)

My mind is open on a third or fourth subwoofer for two channel audio. You seem to have only conclusions. - Richard BassNut Greene 08:53:53 03/13/07 (0)

Re: some comments - Duke 16:22:24 03/11/07 (2)

Re: some comments - twelti 19:12:15 03/11/07 (1)

"Heated exchange"??? - Richard BassNut Greene 09:12:33 03/12/07 (0)

A more accessible source or two - Duke 14:18:30 03/04/07 (21)

Earl Geddes' advice is for surround sound home theaters -- it does not apply to two-channel stereo - Richard BassNut Greene 09:52:37 03/05/07 (20)

Not true - the acoustics does not change. - Duke 10:12:56 03/05/07 (19)

A comparison of two subwoofer alternatives in one room proves nothing and Earl should be the first person to admit that - Richard BassNut Greene 11:38:55 03/06/07 (18)

A mistake you consistently make - Duke 11:46:25 03/06/07 (17)

Still clueless Duke (home theater computer simulations don't identify best sub location for ALL 2-channel audio rooms!) - Richard BassNut Greene 09:15:32 03/07/07 (16)

It takes one to know one ... ;o) - Duke 10:13:33 03/07/07 (15)

Average the frequency response at multiple seats "smooths" the bass (average enough seats and standing waves disappear!) - Richard BassNut Greene 09:47:21 03/08/07 (14)

No, that's NOT what I'm saying. Average the output of multiple subs at any ONE seat. - Duke 12:56:05 03/08/07 (13)

Duke Duke Duke Duke of Earl .... If I charged you for corrections to your posts, I'd be rich! - Richard BassNut Greene 09:24:58 03/09/07 (12)

If we both charged we'd both be rich - and I could afford an equalizer and you could afford another sub! - Duke 10:19:41 03/09/07 (11)

"I am suggesting an alternative that will offer a significant improvement throughout the room," = baloney - Richard BassNut Greene 13:58:53 03/09/07 (10)

baloney - Duke 01:07:54 03/10/07 (9)

Not only are you wrong about "scattered subwoofers" for two- channel audio, but your Mother also wears Army boots! - Richard BassNut Greene 09:40:57 03/10/07 (8)

Time for some quotes - Duke 12:22:59 03/10/07 (7)

Quotes can be BS too. Where are the two-channel audio listening tests with real human audiophiles? - Richard BassNut Greene 08:45:46 03/12/07 (6)

"Quotes can be BS too" is not an argument - Duke 11:03:20 03/12/07 (5)

You've got "experts" -- I've got "experts" But none of them agree on sub locations (the right answer is "I don't know!") - Richard BassNut Greene 09:14:57 03/13/07 (4)

My turn to question - Duke 14:02:08 03/13/07 (3)

I think I have just enough steam left to get in the last word - Richard BassNut Greene 15:10:18 03/13/07 (2)

Show's over folks. Move along. - Duke 15:23:28 03/13/07 (1)

They were all snoring after my third post ! - Richard BassNut Greene 08:49:18 03/14/07 (0)

Duke - Craiger56 18:25:25 03/03/07 (0)

Re: reply - David Aiken 12:53:22 03/02/07 (2)

Re: reply - Duke 14:40:58 03/02/07 (1)

Re: reply - David Aiken 19:44:04 03/02/07 (0)

Re: An argument for multiple subs - Apokalypse 21:16:03 03/01/07 (4)

Re: An argument for multiple subs - Duke 11:41:17 03/02/07 (0)

Re: An argument for multiple subs - murali 05:02:37 03/02/07 (2)

Re: An argument for multiple subs - Apokalypse 23:22:13 03/04/07 (1)

Re: An argument for multiple subs - murali 07:47:53 03/05/07 (0)

What about multiple, different subs - Maxamillion 06:57:08 03/01/07 (0)

I second Duke's opinion... - Antonio Machado 03:35:23 03/01/07 (0)

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It's the sound quality in a real room that I'm interested in -- not computer simulations never tested by real ears! - Richard BassNut Greene 09:52:24 03/08/07 (14)

So... if I tell you that I've tried both and my way works best, will that convince you? - Duke 11:36:37 03/08/07 (13)

Adding a third or fourth subwoofer may improve bass at your seat in your room ... or maybe make it worse! - Richard BassNut Greene 08:26:52 03/09/07 (12)

Adding additional subs almost always results in smoothing. - Duke 09:29:21 03/09/07 (11)

$10,000 says my one subwoofer + parametric EQ will be smoother than your three or four subwoofers in 9 out of 10 rooms - Richard BassNut Greene 13:40:32 03/09/07 (10)

Depends on parameters of the contest - Duke 14:13:09 03/09/07 (9)

Three or four "scattered subwoofers" all located on the floor = sonic disaster - Richard BassNut Greene 09:23:41 03/10/07 (8)

not true - Duke 13:58:37 03/10/07 (7)

Re: some comments - twelti 15:54:39 03/11/07 (6)

Your paper applies to surround sound but many readers assume 4 subs are best for two-channel - Richard BassNut Greene 08:31:20 03/12/07 (2)

Re: Your paper applies to surround sound but many readers assume 4 subs are best for two-channel - twelti 21:45:37 03/12/07 (1)

My mind is open on a third or fourth subwoofer for two channel audio. You seem to have only conclusions. - Richard BassNut Greene 08:53:53 03/13/07 (0)

Re: some comments - Duke 16:22:24 03/11/07 (2)

Re: some comments - twelti 19:12:15 03/11/07 (1)

"Heated exchange"??? - Richard BassNut Greene 09:12:33 03/12/07 (0)