"why would Naim themselves sell several levels of cable?" - Rob Doorack

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Topic - JPS Labs/Eupen cable controversy: A call to Belgium - Steve Eddy 02:59:07 04/28/04 (136)

"AL SON DE LA LATA BAILA EL CHORIZO." - Psychicanimal 17:48:59 04/30/04 (2)

Re: "AL SON DE LA LATA BAILA EL CHORIZO." - Steve Eddy 22:58:02 04/30/04 (1)

JPS is the can and Jon Risch is the sausage. - Psychicanimal 04:52:08 05/01/04 (0)

Clarification please. Been following these threads closely, but - DeKay 23:58:44 04/28/04 (6)

Re: Clarification please. Been following these threads closely, but - Hafdef 08:42:45 04/29/04 (0)

Yes the plugs at both ends are molded... - rp1@surfnetusa.com 00:17:38 04/29/04 (4)

Re: Yes the plugs at both ends are molded... - Hafdef 04:53:25 04/29/04 (3)

Yes, the nylon braided covering expands easily - goofytwoshoes 05:32:24 04/29/04 (2)

The plugs are covered by JPS-labeled heat-shrink...nt - rp1@surfnetusa.com 11:54:54 04/29/04 (0)

Thank-you. (nt) - Hafdef 05:46:58 04/29/04 (0)

I find this VERY hard to believe. - Jon Risch 19:36:29 04/28/04 (22)

You tell me? - Phil Tower 11:34:08 04/29/04 (4)

OK - Jon Risch 16:40:27 04/29/04 (3)

Re: OK - Steve Eddy 21:04:55 04/29/04 (0)

Re: OK - Phil Tower 16:49:33 04/29/04 (1)

he doesn't have to - garth 02:12:49 04/30/04 (0)

Jeez, Jon. You are leaping over the edge and.... - Rick W 09:17:05 04/29/04 (1)

Double LOL - Magnetar 09:37:58 04/29/04 (0)

Jon, my apologies if I am misunderstanding you... - rp1@surfnetusa.com 21:35:13 04/28/04 (7)

Re: Jon, my apologies if I am misunderstanding you... - Jon Risch 10:05:16 04/29/04 (6)

Re: Jon, my apologies if I am misunderstanding you... - Steve Eddy 10:34:18 04/29/04 (5)

Re: Jon, my apologies if I am misunderstanding you... - Jon Risch 16:42:20 04/29/04 (4)

Re: Jon, my apologies if I am misunderstanding you... - Joe II-V 23:38:00 04/29/04 (1)

I was wondering that myself. I think JR is hallucinating. [nt - garth 02:17:40 04/30/04 (0)

Re: Jon, my apologies if I am misunderstanding you... - Steve Eddy 21:30:49 04/29/04 (0)

Twin sons of different mothers perhaps?...nt - rp1@surfnetusa.com 20:48:00 04/29/04 (0)

Re: I find this VERY hard to believe. - Dalton 21:08:10 04/28/04 (5)

P.S. I also find this very hard to believe... - Dalton 21:37:56 04/28/04 (2)

Re: P.S. I also find this very hard to believe... - Steve Eddy 21:51:46 04/28/04 (1)

Re: P.S. I also find this very hard to believe... - Dalton 22:13:06 04/28/04 (1)

A week? It would have blown over in a day.....nt - rp1@surfnetusa.com 21:23:29 04/28/04 (1)

Well, it would have with a clear and decisive first response... - Dalton 21:42:33 04/28/04 (0)

Re: I find this VERY hard to believe. - Steve Eddy 20:54:04 04/28/04 (0)

This will probably be one of the classic Asylum threads - Caymus 17:38:12 04/28/04 (2)

"another false audiophile claim." Beg to differ. - clarkjohnsen 08:51:19 04/29/04 (1)

Oops, you're right - I did mean "manufacturer" - Caymus 11:54:37 04/29/04 (0)

For those curious about the meanings of cable markings on the Eupen cable... - Steve Eddy 15:38:41 04/28/04 (2)

Re: 10 out of 11 - Grover 16:55:40 04/28/04 (1)

Re: 10 out of 11 - Steve Eddy 21:28:30 04/28/04 (0)

JPS's obfuscation speaks for itself... - Dalton 14:18:33 04/28/04 (3)

I Agree Completely NT - lancelot 16:21:01 04/28/04 (0)

My conclusion also. - Corbu 15:03:47 04/28/04 (1)

Yep, too much "nuance" in their response. - Dalton 16:15:17 04/28/04 (1)

On Being Trusted Less Than A Used Car Salesman - C.P.C.C. 13:25:15 04/28/04 (0)

This thread is killing me!!! - marc g. 12:50:56 04/28/04 (1)

This is more like a weeks worth of General Hospital ...nt - rp1@surfnetusa.com 12:54:19 04/28/04 (0)

Counterexample #1: How much do you think lenses for eyeglasses cost? - clarkjohnsen 12:40:32 04/28/04 (3)

And how much do you think eyeglasses for chickens cost?....nt - rp1@surfnetusa.com 00:19:00 04/29/04 (1)

A reasonable estimate would be about 2/3 the cost of eyeglasses for shithouse rats [nt] - agattu 10:03:44 04/29/04 (0)

Re: Counterexample #1: How much do you think lenses for eyeglasses cost? - Steve Eddy 13:22:06 04/28/04 (0)

Counterexample 2: Those little watch-repair shops with the Swiss guy at the desk? - clarkjohnsen 12:38:27 04/28/04 (1)

Didn't used to be that way my dad was... - rp1@surfnetusa.com 12:43:25 04/28/04 (0)

Well.... - thegage 11:47:08 04/28/04 (3)

Re: Well.... - Hafdef 12:07:31 04/28/04 (2)

Re: Well.... - thegage 12:32:36 04/28/04 (1)

Re: Well.... - Hafdef 14:26:58 04/28/04 (0)

People should read the literature from different companies before making a purchase.. - SoftwireEngineer 10:18:42 04/28/04 (0)

You only had to read their "explanation" to realise they were not ... - tom1356 10:17:06 04/28/04 (0)

If our vaunted designers would just get off their toasty butts and... - clarkjohnsen 09:33:59 04/28/04 (24)

What about Blue Circle - Caymus 10:27:09 04/29/04 (1)

Oh c'mon now... nt - clarkjohnsen 12:14:12 04/29/04 (0)

Just look to Naim....... - Ian Mackenzie 11:54:42 04/28/04 (19)

On the contrary, I found Naim gear is extremely reactive to set up and tweaks... - kuma 21:55:16 04/28/04 (1)

Hmmm, no..... - Ian Mackenzie 06:23:59 04/29/04 (0)

Regrettably, my experience suggests that even Naim can still be improved... - clarkjohnsen 12:23:18 04/28/04 (8)

"why would Naim themselves sell several levels of cable?" - Rob Doorack 13:34:09 04/28/04 (6)

Re: "why would Naim themselves sell several levels of cable?" - Steve Eddy 13:59:01 04/28/04 (5)

Re: "why would Naim themselves sell several levels of cable?" - Dan Banquer 06:30:38 04/29/04 (0)

Nagra preamps use a Lemo connection to the outboard power supply. (nt) - kuma 22:05:52 04/28/04 (1)

Re: Nagra preamps use a Lemo connection to the outboard power supply. (nt) - Steve Eddy 22:44:30 04/28/04 (0)

Quad used DIN's in the past.... - Sean 20:09:38 04/28/04 (1)

Thanks, Sean. nt - Steve Eddy 21:59:58 04/28/04 (0)

Re: Regrettably, my experience suggests that even Naim can still be improved... - Ian Mackenzie 12:54:43 04/28/04 (0)

Heck, just look at Bryston.... - rp1@surfnetusa.com 12:08:47 04/28/04 (7)

But they will sell you an upgrade power supply.. - SoftwireEngineer 14:44:10 04/28/04 (1)

The new power-supply to the BP25 preamp is very resistant.. - rp1@surfnetusa.com 18:47:02 04/28/04 (0)

Re: Heck, just look at Bryston.... - Dan Banquer 12:38:47 04/28/04 (4)

Bryston doesn't sell a power cord but their IC is not exactly cheap. nt - bjh 14:16:11 04/28/04 (1)

But the professional Mogami cable IS cheap and workds great....nt - rp1@surfnetusa.com 18:37:46 04/28/04 (0)

And Bose for that matter (nt) - PdL 12:53:56 04/28/04 (0)

OK....nt - rp1@surfnetusa.com 12:40:59 04/28/04 (0)

Very well said... - jneutron 10:48:33 04/28/04 (1)

Thank you. And about time, too... nt - clarkjohnsen 12:21:29 04/28/04 (0)

Well..... - Sean 08:29:59 04/28/04 (2)

I suspect the audiophile cable fraud is widespread - Caymus 09:19:27 04/28/04 (1)

Re: I suspect the audiophile cable fraud is widespread - Dan Banquer 17:38:07 04/28/04 (0)

Man; great detective work!! - Duilawyer 08:23:18 04/28/04 (0)

I wish someone would start talking about tubed motherboards again................. - Benglert 08:05:23 04/28/04 (0)

LOL - - Magnetar 07:51:36 04/28/04 (25)

DIY's the way to go - 1/1000th the cost typically-nt - Green Lantern 10:14:14 04/28/04 (5)

Don't Try This at Home - C.P.C.C. 14:07:14 04/28/04 (3)

Ewww -- another power cord dude - Magnetar 16:53:49 04/28/04 (0)

more than one way to make a cable; this was meant 'in general' nt - Green Lantern 15:06:06 04/28/04 (0)

Re: Don't Try This at Home - Steve Eddy 14:27:57 04/28/04 (0)

YesSir-E -- (nt) - Magnetar 10:40:36 04/28/04 (0)

Re: LOL - - Dan Banquer 08:29:28 04/28/04 (18)

Re: LOL - - Gee LP 15:37:14 04/28/04 (8)

HD wire question - marc g. 16:09:15 04/28/04 (7)

It's 14 gauge, orange with black stripe, extension cord - Dave Pogue 08:16:04 04/29/04 (6)

power cord - Jack Gribble 10:37:19 04/29/04 (3)

Re: power cord - Dave Pogue 14:14:20 04/29/04 (2)

Re: power cord - Jack Gribble 11:17:14 04/30/04 (1)

I didn't like the way my power-saw sounded on that cord...nt - rp1@surfnetusa.com 13:20:34 04/30/04 (0)

Re: It's 14 gauge, orange with black stripe, extension cord - marc g. 09:17:12 04/29/04 (1)

Re: It's 14 gauge, orange with black stripe, extension cord - Dave Pogue 10:17:05 04/29/04 (0)

Duuuuhhh--do you read my column? - John Marks 09:17:46 04/28/04 (5)

Typical 'high end' Twisting of Facts - Magnetar 11:23:35 04/28/04 (3)

You totally missed the point, but I am not going to try to explain it to you. - John Marks 14:01:57 04/28/04 (2)

Your analogy was poor. nt - tom1356 19:17:21 04/28/04 (0)

Nope - no explanation needed - Magnetar 16:35:04 04/28/04 (0)

Re: Duuuuhhh--do you read my column? - Dan Banquer 09:45:26 04/28/04 (0)

Re: LOL - - Magnetar 08:39:47 04/28/04 (2)

Re: LOL - - Dan Banquer 09:51:22 04/28/04 (1)

But the packaging is SO CUTE......nt - rp1@surfnetusa.com 18:30:22 04/28/04 (0)

Re: JPS Labs/Eupen cable controversy: A call to Belgium - Hafdef 06:18:08 04/28/04 (1)

"the story will change somewhat tomorrow." - marc g. 08:47:34 04/28/04 (0)

Why would you, as a manufacturer, get involved in this? - Jack Seaton 06:07:03 04/28/04 (9)

That's a very sad almost pitiful question. - Hafdef 09:55:04 04/28/04 (3)

Did you mean "ethical" instead of "moral" values? - PdL 11:19:46 04/28/04 (2)

Re: Did you mean "ethical" instead of "moral" values? - Hafdef 11:42:21 04/28/04 (1)

Your right (with moral) - I read your inital post too fast. (nt) - PdL 12:57:09 04/28/04 (0)

Re: Why would you, as a manufacturer, get involved in this? - Steve Eddy 09:43:20 04/28/04 (4)

You got it. - Jack Seaton 19:09:37 04/28/04 (2)

Re: You got it. - Steve Eddy 22:54:29 04/28/04 (1)

Re: You got it. - Jack Seaton 08:01:07 04/29/04 (0)

The Consequences of Bad Behavior - C.P.C.C. 14:16:55 04/28/04 (0)

Re: JPS Labs/Eupen cable controversy: A call to Belgium - middleground 05:57:12 04/28/04 (3)

Re: JPS Labs/Eupen cable controversy: A call to Belgium - frito 07:41:25 04/28/04 (1)

Re: JPS Labs/Eupen cable controversy: A call to Belgium - middleground 13:13:23 04/28/04 (0)

I agree... - NonA 06:54:10 04/28/04 (0)

Correction - Steve Eddy 03:14:04 04/28/04 (5)

anyone wanna go in on a set of five? I only need one.... (nt) - darkstar 05:18:35 04/28/04 (3)

Re: anyone wanna go in on a set of five? I only need one.... (nt) - DannyR 10:40:32 04/29/04 (0)

Re: anyone wanna go in on a set of five? I only need one.... (nt) - rrsands 05:05:31 04/29/04 (0)

Re: anyone wanna go in on a set of five? I only need one.... (nt) - Steve Eddy 10:17:23 04/28/04 (0)

Thanks - Metralla 03:43:22 04/28/04 (0)

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"why would Naim themselves sell several levels of cable?" - Rob Doorack 13:34:09 04/28/04 (6)

Re: "why would Naim themselves sell several levels of cable?" - Steve Eddy 13:59:01 04/28/04 (5)

Re: "why would Naim themselves sell several levels of cable?" - Dan Banquer 06:30:38 04/29/04 (0)

Nagra preamps use a Lemo connection to the outboard power supply. (nt) - kuma 22:05:52 04/28/04 (1)

Re: Nagra preamps use a Lemo connection to the outboard power supply. (nt) - Steve Eddy 22:44:30 04/28/04 (0)

Quad used DIN's in the past.... - Sean 20:09:38 04/28/04 (1)

Thanks, Sean. nt - Steve Eddy 21:59:58 04/28/04 (0)