In Reply to: Re: Try reading it again slowly..... posted by Steve Eddy on December 3, 2003 at 10:46:43:
I don't want to quote the whole previous post (most of it is fairly clear anyway and I have no argument with it) but there is one thing to clarify:So unless I missed something, John has never mentioned any cable which he has measured which has shown NO high order harmonics.
In the tests I watched at John's, some cables exhibited very low/no high order harmonics. I think one of the JPS cables, in particular, showed almost nothing on the scope, other than the low order residuals from the oscillator.
The results are also completely repeatable, in that you can swap cables in and out and get the same signature.
To me the discussion boils down to this:
There is clearly some interaction between the test rig and the cables at JC's. Either (as jneutron suggested months ago) something about each cable is causing the test equipment to generate different harmonics, or the cables themselves are generating them. It's not John's imagination, nor is it sloppy test methodology.
The repeatability eliminates the possibility that it is random or environmental noise, or measurement error.
BTW:
You said :We don't need a plausible explanation of John's results.. We do. If we simply pick and choose which data sets we use, and throw out the ones we don't like, then this is religion not science. If we can collectively reconcile Bruno and JC's results with a single explanation, then we have moved the SOTA forward.
Peter
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Follow Ups
- Not all cables show high order harmonics at JC's - Commuteman 05:54:21 12/04/03 (43)
- Re: Not all cables show high order harmonics at JC's - john curl 12:58:13 12/04/03 (4)
- Re: Not all cables show high order harmonics at JC's - Steve Eddy 16:37:34 12/04/03 (3)
- Minor technical correction + question - Commuteman 13:55:26 12/09/03 (1)
- Re: Minor technical correction + question - Steve Eddy 14:38:59 12/09/03 (0)
- P.S. - Steve Eddy 16:58:29 12/04/03 (0)
- Re: Not all cables show high order harmonics at JC's - Steve Eddy 09:46:57 12/04/03 (37)
- Galileo was the one claiming something new, remember... - Commuteman 18:43:09 12/06/03 (36)
- Something new? That would certainly come as a surprise to Copernicus. - Steve Eddy 21:36:05 12/06/03 (35)
- Two small points - Commuteman 16:12:15 12/08/03 (34)
- Re: Two small points - Phil Tower 09:36:36 12/09/03 (32)
- Re: Two small points - LarryR 11:26:24 12/09/03 (7)
- Re: Two small points - Phil Tower 14:37:31 12/09/03 (6)
- Re: Two small points - john curl 19:35:00 12/09/03 (4)
- Re: Two small points - Phil Tower 21:31:19 12/09/03 (2)
- Re: Two small points - john curl 23:12:33 12/09/03 (1)
- Re: Two small points - Phil Tower 08:00:57 12/10/03 (0)
- Re: Two small points - Steve Eddy 20:14:16 12/09/03 (0)
- Thanks for the info, Phil - It's given me something more to think about..........(nt) - LarryR 15:05:55 12/09/03 (0)
- One more thing - Commuteman 11:05:31 12/09/03 (10)
- Re: One more thing - john curl 20:36:23 12/09/03 (7)
- Re: One more thing - Steve Eddy 21:05:47 12/09/03 (6)
- Re: One more thing - john curl 23:20:32 12/09/03 (5)
- Re: One more thing - Steve Eddy 00:34:47 12/10/03 (4)
- Re: One more thing - john curl 11:28:53 12/10/03 (3)
- Re: One more thing - Steve Eddy 13:26:47 12/10/03 (2)
- Re: One more thing - john curl 13:38:14 12/10/03 (1)
- Re: One more thing - Steve Eddy 14:43:45 12/10/03 (0)
- Re: One more thing - Phil Tower 13:05:00 12/09/03 (0)
- Re: One more thing - Steve Eddy 12:14:17 12/09/03 (0)
- What the hell are you talking about? - Commuteman 10:57:54 12/09/03 (9)
- Re: What the hell are you talking about? - Steve Eddy 13:41:58 12/09/03 (0)
- Re: What the hell are you talking about? - Phil Tower 12:22:32 12/09/03 (7)
- Phil, how would YOU characterize the Copernicus comment? - Commuteman 13:03:25 12/09/03 (6)
- Re: Phil, how would YOU characterize the Copernicus comment? - Phil Tower 14:45:42 12/09/03 (5)
- Look, rational discussion... - Commuteman 12:23:46 12/10/03 (4)
- Re: Look, rational discussion... - Phil Tower 15:06:30 12/10/03 (3)
- Re: Look, rational discussion... - john curl 15:56:33 12/10/03 (2)
- Uh oh.....thugs are us.. - jneutron 13:10:28 12/11/03 (0)
- Thugs are people too (nt) - Phil Tower 21:18:24 12/10/03 (0)
- Hi Phil - jneutron 09:53:21 12/09/03 (2)
- Re: Hi Phil - Phil Tower 14:54:34 12/09/03 (1)
- Re: Hi Phil - jneutron 08:43:16 12/12/03 (0)
- Re: Two small points - Steve Eddy 21:09:17 12/08/03 (0)