In Reply to: How else could anyone buy wires? posted by Richard BassNut Greene on December 6, 2006 at 09:12:21:
“I just know that for over three decades not one audiophile has been able to prove to witnesses that he can hear differences among wires intended for audio use while listening to music with A-B SPL's matched.â€If true, this gives audiophiles as much credibility (in this area) as people who purport to have been “victims†of UFO abductions.
“I've been waiting patiently for a name.
The wait could be over in an hour for a blind test ...
but I guess no one can spare an hour to shut me up!
Or maybe they just can't hear wire differences.â€Suggestion: Instead of continuing to carp at each other until all of you are in your "golden years" and collecting social security, why not strive for mutual cooperation as a way of resolving this issue? Arrange for some *relaxed* blind tests to be conducted in the personal listening rooms of three of the more contentious subjectivists, say, BJH, MKULLER and a third to be named later. I’d be curious to learn the results regarding two areas of major contention: wires and amps. Cut the subjectivists some slack regarding the amps by insisting that a tube unit be compared to a solid state device. Allow the three subjectivists to compare their reference to the wire and amp of your choosing. In addition, allow the subjectivists to select all the musical material with which to evaluate the gear.
You need not rush to get things done, Richard. Do it at your leisure. Hell, take the better part of next year in getting around to each of the three subjectivists. I should think a weekend with each one (assuming you can tolerate each others company for that long) would suffice. The whole thing might prove to be great fun, and I suspect there are a few of us, who frequent this venue, who would be agreeable to helping you with expenses. (An impartial observer would need to be present at each of the three sessions as a way of settling any disputes that might arise later regarding methodology and results.)
Disinterest on the part of subjectivists would only invite more suspicion regarding their purported powers of discernment. Any takers, or shall we waste another decade making the same tired old points ad nauseam?
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Follow Ups
- A modest proposal: - regmac 07:46:03 12/07/06 (42)
- bjh and Mikey both live in killer music towns. - Ozzie 12:54:49 12/07/06 (0)
- You're missing the point - or is it the boat... - mkuller 10:58:39 12/07/06 (40)
- Mekey, I'd rather be listening... - Ozzie 19:22:35 12/11/06 (2)
- So when are you bringing some over?...(nt) - mkuller 15:58:25 12/13/06 (1)
- Re: So when are you bringing some over?...(nt) - Ozzie 16:07:10 12/13/06 (0)
- You're only "point" = (If I am not happy with the test results, then the test was an "amatuer DBT" ) ! - Richard BassNut Greene 10:25:05 12/09/06 (0)
- Re: You're missing the point - or is it the boat... - regmac 14:22:13 12/07/06 (20)
- Re: You're missing the boat... - mkuller 17:04:44 12/07/06 (19)
- The boat... - Ozzie 19:35:17 12/11/06 (2)
- Ok, cable differences... - mkuller 16:06:09 12/13/06 (1)
- Re: Ok, cable differences... - Ozzie 15:17:51 12/14/06 (0)
- Re: You're missing the boat... - regmac 18:23:39 12/07/06 (15)
- Evidence... - mkuller 20:09:52 12/07/06 (14)
- Grasping at straws, MKULLER? - regmac 09:50:48 12/08/06 (13)
- Re: Grasping at straws, MKULLER? - Pat D 18:15:21 12/08/06 (7)
- Oh PatD, now you're telling little fibs... - mkuller 10:26:59 12/09/06 (5)
- Very careless use of quotation marks, but they were meant to indicate what you do and were not a direct quote. - Pat D 15:08:46 12/09/06 (4)
- Caught in the act ... now blabbing like an IDIOT. What else is new? nt - bjh 15:40:52 12/09/06 (3)
- An ad hominem argument is still a fallacy whether it is true or not. - Pat D 19:45:46 12/09/06 (2)
- STFU! Oh that was rude. I forgive myself. All better. ROTFLMFAO nt - bjh 06:56:30 12/10/06 (1)
- Yes, that was rude but not an ad hominem argument. - Pat D 10:18:25 12/10/06 (0)
- Seems unlikely Pat-D-cake! - bjh 06:14:12 12/09/06 (0)
- Are you calling JJ a liar? He's very sensitive about that I'll have you know! - bjh 11:16:25 12/08/06 (3)
- Regmac is an honest man--no need to chastise him. - Pat D 18:17:00 12/08/06 (2)
- Since you are dishonest above about me, therefore...(nt) - mkuller 11:11:51 12/09/06 (1)
- An ad hominem argument is still a fallacy whether it is true or not. - Pat D 15:14:46 12/09/06 (0)
- Right - your little test would have been MUCH more definitive...(nt) - mkuller 10:02:15 12/08/06 (0)
- The power of disbelief and preconceived notions. - Bruce Kendall 11:37:09 12/07/06 (14)
- Chicken or egg? - mkuller 12:03:20 12/07/06 (13)
- Re: Chicken or egg? - Ozzie 13:00:23 12/07/06 (2)
- We are all subjectivists - Sordidman 13:21:45 12/07/06 (0)
- As an audiophile... - mkuller 13:11:07 12/07/06 (0)
- As for mysteries ... - bjh 12:24:25 12/07/06 (9)
- Re: As for mysteries ... - Ozzie 13:06:08 12/07/06 (0)
- That is because those who don't think cables make a difference - Bruce Kendall 12:41:14 12/07/06 (6)
- Re: That is because those who don't think cables make a difference - Ozzie 13:16:37 12/07/06 (5)
- Shows... - mkuller 17:08:32 12/07/06 (2)
- Re: Shows... - Ozzie 10:48:25 12/11/06 (1)
- Music at the shows... - mkuller 16:26:59 12/13/06 (0)
- You're built too low, the fast ones are flying over your head! - Bruce Kendall 13:32:47 12/07/06 (1)
- Re: You're built too low, the fast ones are flying over your head! - Ozzie 10:55:05 12/11/06 (0)
- Re: As for mysteries ... - kerr 12:35:11 12/07/06 (0)