In Reply to: A Link to the Audio Mag Article. posted by Robert Hamel on June 7, 2004 at 07:32:11:
HI Rob..long time no hear..Thanks for the link..JC had provided that to me earlier..it is a really good writeup, IMO..
In looking at the figures, 2,3 for example, it's really interesting seeing the distortion waveforms..some are 2x freq..some 3x..
It leaves some interesting questions as to what the physical process is, as the simple models like Bob Pease's aren't of sufficient magnitude to do some of the really large ones like alum and tant..
I also fear the simple model they used, in fig B1, entirely neglects the possibility of skin effect in the "swiss roll" capacitors, which is what alums and tants can be..an intesting topic to persue later..
But all the data and writeups I've seen to date repeat the fact that lower operating gradient within the dielectric means less distortion..
For wires, the operating gradient is somewhere between 2 orders of mag lower to 4 or 6 orders of mag..and wires are rarely built as "swiss roll" construction..
Cheers, John
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Follow Ups
- Re: A Link to the Audio Mag Article. - jneutron 08:12:49 06/07/04 (28)
- Do you now deny you posted a sentence which tied together "model"..."fig B1"..."possibility of skin effect" ... - Tom Dawson 13:45:17 06/11/04 (6)
- Re: Do you now deny you posted a sentence which tied together "model"..."fig B1"..."possibility of skin effect" ... - jneutron 14:01:43 06/11/04 (5)
- Re: Do you now deny you posted a sentence which tied together "model"..."fig B1"..."possibility of skin effect" ... - Tom Dawson 14:13:16 06/11/04 (4)
- Hmmm..I see why we did not see eye to eye.. - jneutron 06:50:36 06/14/04 (0)
- Do whatever you want! Personaly I have more faith in jneutron than that. nt! - Granholm 12:50:15 06/12/04 (2)
- Re: Do whatever you want! Personaly I have more faith in jneutron than that. nt! - john curl 15:07:34 06/12/04 (1)
- Hi John - jneutron 05:54:23 06/14/04 (0)
- Re: A Link to the Audio Mag Article. - Tom Dawson 14:17:15 06/09/04 (20)
- Re: A Link to the Audio Mag Article. - john curl 10:37:29 06/10/04 (1)
- Hi John - jneutron 10:46:00 06/10/04 (0)
- Re: A Link to the Audio Mag Article. - jneutron 09:27:15 06/10/04 (16)
- "You bring an obvious attitude along with your erroneous statements." - self referential comment of the week by jneutron - Tom Dawson 13:35:55 06/11/04 (15)
- Perhaps you should slow down and read the post again.. - jneutron 13:49:44 06/11/04 (14)
- How could it be 'false' to point out your glaring errors, jneutron? nt - Tom Dawson 14:00:04 06/11/04 (3)
- Re: How could it be 'false' to point out your glaring errors, jneutron? nt - jneutron 14:05:16 06/11/04 (2)
- "you've only posted (jneutron's) errors on your own.." positing significant skin effect of a 2uF cap @ 20hz is an error - Tom Dawson 09:46:34 07/01/04 (1)
- ummm, Tom? what are you talking about. - jneutron 12:30:44 07/02/04 (0)
- Perhaps you should admit that you intended to suggest that skin effect should be considered... - Tom Dawson 13:56:17 06/11/04 (9)
- Re: Perhaps you should admit that you intended to suggest that skin effect should be considered... - john curl 14:12:27 06/11/04 (1)
- Hi John - jneutron 07:02:08 06/14/04 (0)
- Re: Perhaps you should admit that you intended to suggest that skin effect should be considered... - jneutron 14:04:19 06/11/04 (6)
- "nobody has a clue as to where it (skin effect) would present as an effect" - Speak for yourself, jneutron nt - Tom Dawson 09:49:52 07/01/04 (1)
- Boy..you are working overtime, aren't you.. - jneutron 12:43:25 07/02/04 (0)
- Re: Perhaps you should admit that you intended to suggest that skin effect should be considered... - john curl 14:21:05 06/11/04 (3)
- Re: Perhaps you should admit that you intended to suggest that skin effect should be considered... - jneutron 06:56:27 06/14/04 (2)
- Re: Perhaps you should admit that you intended to suggest that skin effect should be considered... - john curl 09:35:19 06/14/04 (1)
- Re: Perhaps you should admit that you intended to suggest that skin effect should be considered... - jneutron 10:27:02 06/14/04 (0)
- Re: A Link to the Audio Mag Article. - john curl 18:43:14 06/09/04 (0)