You concern me as a scientist in not seeing the distinction between null and real.

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Topic - $1,000,000 reward!! - truthseekerprime 04:16:46 10/02/07 (182)

I guarantte that using an audiophile-approved, sighted... - The Real Dick Hertz 08:37:02 10/04/07 (18)

And for one million dollars, just answer these two questions! - andy_c 20:08:05 10/04/07 (17)

Does it haunt you to listen to your system sighted? - Analog Scott 14:20:30 10/05/07 (10)

Blind testing is about comparing components... - andy_c 18:09:54 10/05/07 (9)

"...not about how one listens to one's system under normal conditions." - Analog Scott 21:42:34 10/05/07 (8)

you are confusing two different issues... - mls-stl 06:37:50 10/06/07 (5)

actually it seems some objectivists are confused into thinking there are two different issues - Analog Scott 23:24:30 10/06/07 (4)

RE: actually it seems some objectivists are confused into thinking there are two different issues - mls-stl 10:30:31 10/07/07 (3)

Anything specific? - Analog Scott 10:55:06 10/07/07 (2)

RE: Anything specific? - mls-stl 13:11:32 10/07/07 (1)

I wnet to the link - Analog Scott 20:28:59 10/07/07 (0)

RE: "...not about how one listens to one's system under normal conditions." - andy_c 23:50:29 10/05/07 (1)

RE: "...not about how one listens to one's system under normal conditions." - Analog Scott 23:02:19 10/06/07 (0)

Exactly. - The Real Dick Hertz 07:38:55 10/05/07 (5)

so you are either blind or deaf - Analog Scott 14:22:34 10/05/07 (4)

Don't understand how you could possibly... - The Real Dick Hertz 14:52:13 10/05/07 (3)

RE: Don't understand how you could possibly... - Analog Scott 15:02:11 10/05/07 (2)

I get much more out of my system.... - The Real Dick Hertz 15:18:32 10/05/07 (1)

I see low light causes memory loss for you - Analog Scott 21:45:06 10/05/07 (0)

And how exactly would anyone, believer in cable differences or disbeliever "prove" anything? - Norm 12:01:35 10/03/07 (35)

"I doubt seriously that any agreement could be reached that one school or the other would not say was invalid. - truthseekerprime 13:30:12 10/03/07 (33)

I doubt that is the case at all - Analog Scott 03:59:12 10/07/07 (8)

"I'll bet the house randi will not acept the scientifically universal standard of 95% certainty. " - truthseekerprime 12:08:39 10/07/07 (7)

Dude now you are just talking out you ass - Analog Scott 20:34:51 10/07/07 (6)

RE: Dude now you are just talking out you ass - truthseekerprime 22:45:10 10/07/07 (5)

Dude..... - Analog Scott 14:33:37 10/08/07 (4)

You actually managed to give a reference that contradicts you. Congratulations - you fulfilled my prediction - truthseekerprime 15:38:24 10/08/07 (3)

Dude seriously, lesrn to read. - Analog Scott 21:49:30 10/08/07 (2)

"Dude seriously, lesrn to read" :-) - truthseekerprime 22:44:25 10/08/07 (1)

Only in psychology? What a load of crap - Analog Scott 10:32:40 10/09/07 (0)

Logically you can only reject an hypothesis not get a positive result. - Norm 15:36:26 10/04/07 (18)

RE: Logically you can only reject an hypothesis not get a positive result. - truthseekerprime 16:36:19 10/04/07 (17)

I am sorry it drives you up the war, but what I said is fundamental to the scientific method. - Norm 16:55:38 10/04/07 (13)

And why do you think DBTs are "invalid"? - truthseekerprime 17:48:59 10/04/07 (12)

RE: And why do you think DBTs are "invalid"? Yep - Norm 20:00:50 10/04/07 (11)

"Since the hypothesis is that there are no differences" - how many times do I have to say that no one thinks that! - truthseekerprime 20:33:24 10/04/07 (10)

So what is the hypothesis? What are you testing? nt - Norm 06:17:52 10/05/07 (9)

Whether some difference is audible in some particular situation to some set of listeners. /nt - truthseekerprime 08:15:57 10/05/07 (8)

This is no hypothesis. Audible to which listeners and under what situation. - Norm 11:22:03 10/05/07 (7)

It's really not very complicated - truthseekerprime 14:59:47 10/05/07 (6)

It is really easy but you have to know something about the scientific method and logic. - Norm 20:04:28 10/05/07 (5)

RE: It is really easy but you have to know something about the scientific method and logic. - morricab 04:07:51 10/09/07 (0)

Ummm... what? - truthseekerprime 06:03:30 10/06/07 (3)

You concern me as a scientist in not seeing the distinction between null and real. - Norm 07:27:30 10/06/07 (2)

My current hypothesis is that you have no idea what you're talking about, no evidence so far to reject. nt/ - truthseekerprime 08:01:52 10/06/07 (1)

I am of the same opinion relative to you. As I said, there is no purpose in further discussion. nt - Norm 09:03:08 10/06/07 (0)

Doing you just love this guy? - bjh 16:52:14 10/04/07 (2)

One side does seem to wear the white hat and the other the black hat. Not good science. nt - Norm 17:21:50 10/04/07 (1)

RE: One side does seem to wear the white hat and the other the black hat. Not good science. nt - bjh 19:17:12 10/04/07 (0)

RE: "I doubt seriously that any agreement could be reached that one school or the other would not say was inva - andy19191 04:37:52 10/04/07 (3)

I'd like to be a fly on the wall for that negotiation - Analog Scott 08:43:14 10/07/07 (2)

RE: I'd like to be a fly on the wall for that negotiation - andy19191 10:29:24 10/07/07 (1)

RE: I'd like to be a fly on the wall for that negotiation - Analog Scott 11:05:00 10/07/07 (0)

That's a pretty big assumption there pardner. [nt] - Wellfed 17:32:33 10/03/07 (0)

BINGO! - Presto 13:06:57 10/03/07 (0)

It's amazing all right! No one seems to want to prove they can hear the difference between the cables! - Pat D 11:43:43 10/03/07 (9)

What is the point? - Analog Scott 14:25:41 10/05/07 (0)

RE: It's amazing all right! No one seems to want to prove they can hear the difference between the cables! - andy19191 04:52:36 10/04/07 (3)

Do you know in advance that you will hear a difference in your system? - Don T 07:55:25 10/05/07 (2)

RE: Do you know in advance that you will hear a difference in your system? - andy19191 09:28:24 10/05/07 (1)

RE: Do you know in advance that you will hear a difference in your system? - Don T 09:54:43 10/07/07 (0)

Stifling Participation, Then Citing the Lack of It - Todd Krieger 12:18:09 10/03/07 (3)

Self-limiting. - Pat D 16:13:08 10/03/07 (1)

OK, It's Self Limiting....... - Todd Krieger 19:39:42 10/04/07 (0)

"Chicanery" indeed. The man is a professional magician and, significantly, "escape artist". - clarkjohnsen 12:43:43 10/03/07 (0)

Imagine! All this talk about the Pear cables... - clarkjohnsen 09:43:57 10/03/07 (2)

RE: Imagine! All this talk about the Pear cables... - Todd Krieger 11:28:56 10/03/07 (1)

Well that's an angle. nt - clarkjohnsen 12:38:48 10/03/07 (0)

How Does One Define "Better?".... And Is This a Genuine Legal Commitment? - Todd Krieger 20:49:05 10/02/07 (19)

The million dollars supposedly to be awarded probably doesn't even exist. - truthseekerprime 21:05:30 10/02/07 (18)

Here's the "Contract"- The Fine Print: NOT an Open Challenge!! - Todd Krieger 22:00:17 10/02/07 (17)

Good work, Todd! By contriving to use "paranormal" as a default condition... - clarkjohnsen 09:30:56 10/03/07 (2)

A Lifelong Quest To Be Perceived As Important...... - Todd Krieger 11:47:45 10/03/07 (0)

I've been pointing this out from the get go - Analog Scott 11:15:39 10/03/07 (0)

RE: Here's the "Contract"- The Fine Print: NOT an Open Challenge!! - truthseekerprime 04:48:09 10/03/07 (13)

RE: Here's the "Contract"- The Fine Print: NOT an Open Challenge!! - thetubeguy1954 06:20:59 10/03/07 (12)

RE: Here's the "Contract"- The Fine Print: NOT an Open Challenge!! - truthseekerprime 07:59:29 10/03/07 (11)

Possible Reasons.... - thetubeguy1954 10:48:28 10/03/07 (10)

"...could tell you what brand of Scotch he was drinking sight unseen...I cannot do this either, can you?" - truthseekerprime 13:37:12 10/03/07 (9)

Now you're speaking my language? - kerr 16:03:17 10/03/07 (7)

RE: Now you're speaking my language? - truthseekerprime 16:53:12 10/03/07 (6)

RE: Now you're speaking my language? - kerr 18:01:53 10/03/07 (5)

Don't like the peaty ones? - E-Stat 22:20:07 10/03/07 (4)

You consider Lagavulin non-peaty???? - kerr 04:31:41 10/04/07 (3)

No, no - E-Stat 05:51:18 10/04/07 (2)

Sounds like a great trip - kerr 06:09:17 10/04/07 (1)

We spent ten days on the last trip - E-Stat 07:08:45 10/04/07 (0)

RE: "...could tell you what brand of Scotch he was drinking sight unseen...I cannot do this either, can you?" - thetubeguy1954 14:04:30 10/03/07 (0)

RE: $1,000,000 reward!! - truthseekerprime 17:14:27 10/02/07 (29)

Listen child! - bjh 17:28:50 10/02/07 (28)

Umm... who's lying, exactly? - truthseekerprime 17:52:34 10/02/07 (27)

I have physical proof that I was lied to by the Randi Challenge administrator. [nt] - Wellfed 22:38:00 10/02/07 (0)

Hey pee-wee, - bjh 18:16:20 10/02/07 (25)

OK, I'll make it very, very simple. - truthseekerprime 18:28:30 10/02/07 (24)

Only one problem sunshine... - bjh 18:56:34 10/02/07 (23)

forgot your meds? - truthseekerprime 19:25:23 10/02/07 (22)

RE: forgot your meds? - John Atkinson 04:41:59 10/03/07 (21)

What are YOU doing here? Don't you have a full time job at STEREOPHILE? - Richard BassNut Greene 15:23:45 10/05/07 (0)

RE: forgot your meds? - geoffkait 09:10:59 10/03/07 (7)

Also not to forget, Enid Lumley reported success with some Belt products. nt - clarkjohnsen 10:06:08 10/03/07 (2)

Not to mention Positve Feedback and Soundstage. nt - geoffkait 10:17:49 10/03/07 (1)

Indeed, my favorite the positive findings report on the Belt - Photo in the Fridge tweak published in PF. - bjh 10:47:53 10/03/07 (0)

RE: forgot your meds? - John Atkinson 09:41:49 10/03/07 (3)

RE: forgot your meds? - geoffkait 10:38:30 10/03/07 (2)

RE: forgot your meds? - John Atkinson 11:38:22 10/03/07 (1)

RE: forgot your meds? - geoffkait 12:03:24 10/03/07 (0)

"suspect that both clocks are injecting RF noise into the AC line" - truthseekerprime 05:17:33 10/03/07 (11)

RE: "suspect that both clocks are injecting RF noise into the AC line" - John Atkinson 07:43:54 10/03/07 (10)

John, man, you're dealing here with a man who will always weasel out of the hole you've dug for him. - clarkjohnsen 09:18:29 10/03/07 (0)

I wonder whether it's possible for an objective audiophile magazine to survive? - truthseekerprime 08:18:45 10/03/07 (8)

RE: I wonder whether it's possible for an objective audiophile magazine to survive? - John Atkinson 09:35:54 10/03/07 (3)

"Why do you refuse to answer my very specific questions? " - truthseekerprime 12:52:37 10/03/07 (2)

RE: "Why do you refuse to answer my very specific questions? " - John Atkinson 14:11:10 10/03/07 (1)

RE: "Why do you refuse to answer my very specific questions? " - truthseekerprime 15:35:41 10/03/07 (0)

Since it seems you still require spoon feeding... - bjh 08:59:57 10/03/07 (3)

RE: Since it seems you still require spoon feeding... - tlyyra 09:18:42 10/03/07 (2)

RE: Since it seems you still require spoon feeding... - John Atkinson 09:44:23 10/03/07 (1)

RE: "Honesty in reporting" - tlyyra 06:32:31 10/05/07 (0)

He seems pretty legit to me. - geoffkait 14:30:13 10/02/07 (0)

Look who Randi's sleeping with: - clarkjohnsen 13:51:19 10/02/07 (2)

Look who seems to have most to loose from people like Randi. n/t - tlyyra 17:21:27 10/02/07 (1)

Who?... - Wellfed 22:34:43 10/02/07 (0)

" Its just not possible because the human ear CANT hear it." nt - clarkjohnsen 13:50:26 10/02/07 (0)

"Wikipedia entry for audiophile... You will learn more about what drives these people." nt - clarkjohnsen 13:50:16 10/02/07 (0)

"You need just plain old people off the street." nt - clarkjohnsen 13:48:25 10/02/07 (0)

"I'm sure you could by a pair of $7,500 wine glasses, but they won't actually improve the flavor of your wine. - clarkjohnsen 13:47:35 10/02/07 (0)

"I love James Randi, and I'm so glad he's taken on this cause." nt - clarkjohnsen 13:47:17 10/02/07 (0)

How about double the award for disproving DBT validity on audio cables? (nt) - cheap-Jack 11:14:38 10/02/07 (0)

randi has really lost it - Analog Scott 10:14:42 10/02/07 (7)

"What a ridiculous challenge." - truthseekerprime 12:31:14 10/02/07 (6)

one need not bash their head against the same wall over and over again - Analog Scott 19:55:58 10/02/07 (1)

You got that right... - Wellfed 22:48:31 10/02/07 (0)

Because it would be a waste of time. - Dave Pogue 13:16:28 10/02/07 (3)

RE: Because it would be a waste of time. - truthseekerprime 13:47:36 10/02/07 (2)

And Charlie Brown always thought he was gonna kick that football. - Dave Pogue 14:35:49 10/02/07 (0)

Ah huh... - bjh 14:32:52 10/02/07 (0)

No audiophile has ever been able to demonstrate his ability to hear wire differences in three decades - Richard BassNut Greene 08:11:02 10/02/07 (14)

Wrong - only 24 years... - mkuller 14:55:43 10/02/07 (5)

30 foot cables ... 24AWG zip cord ... and some comparisons done without A-B volume matching !!! - Richard BassNut Greene 09:24:05 10/03/07 (3)

Re: Scientific proof - mkuller 09:54:45 10/03/07 (2)

So easy to claim wires sound different ... until there is a test to prove the claim! - Richard BassNut Greene 09:42:16 10/04/07 (1)

Unfortunately... - mkuller 10:58:44 10/04/07 (0)

RE: Wrong - only 24 years... - truthseekerprime 16:55:43 10/02/07 (0)

Save yourself some time in the future by replacing "Subjective Audiophile 2007" as your tag line - musetap 13:39:35 10/02/07 (4)

What makes you think Richard types it all over again every time? - carcass93 20:40:06 10/02/07 (3)

Does this mean I don't have to type "Subjective Audiophile 2007" after my name every time I post? - Richard BassNut Greene 09:45:18 10/04/07 (0)

LOL! Open the pod door, Hal...(nt) - mkuller 10:23:29 10/03/07 (1)

Or, Data-like, perhaps? - musetap 11:12:07 10/03/07 (0)

Is there an echo in here? - SF tech 12:41:54 10/02/07 (0)

So who was it... - Steve Eddy 09:30:27 10/02/07 (1)

Richard needed time - bjh 10:06:52 10/02/07 (0)

RE: $1,000,000 reward!! - andy19191 05:02:09 10/02/07 (11)

RE: $1,000,000 reward!! - truthseekerprime 12:36:06 10/02/07 (10)

What 'simple straight-up test' was I unwilling to accept?... - Wellfed 22:57:24 10/02/07 (6)

RE: What 'simple straight-up test' was I unwilling to accept?... - apesma 16:08:44 10/05/07 (1)

I was never pissed at you apesma... - Wellfed 23:40:24 10/05/07 (0)

well... - truthseekerprime 04:41:39 10/03/07 (3)

That's odd considering there were only 12 official rules... - Wellfed 09:05:42 10/03/07 (2)

Umm, yeah - the numbering has changed since then. So what? Check #12. /nt - truthseekerprime 13:26:20 10/03/07 (1)

#12, been there, did that, sent it out with the original application. [nt] - Wellfed 15:01:34 10/03/07 (0)

RE: $1,000,000 reward!! - andy19191 15:24:40 10/02/07 (2)

I wasn't allowed to use my own equipment... - Wellfed 22:46:58 10/02/07 (1)

"They agreed to nothing which apparently is their angle." I'd say, "obviously". nt - clarkjohnsen 09:03:48 10/03/07 (0)

Where you been? - Dave Pogue 04:29:26 10/02/07 (18)

Not around audio asylum... - truthseekerprime 04:37:59 10/02/07 (17)

Maybe your next expose - E-Stat 07:01:58 10/02/07 (0)

RE: Not around audio asylum... - John Atkinson 06:37:23 10/02/07 (5)

RE: Not around audio asylum... - truthseekerprime 17:51:31 10/02/07 (1)

Ah, I see! - bjh 18:23:11 10/02/07 (0)

What *is* your version of the events? - tlyyra 07:05:03 10/02/07 (2)

Here's a start - E-Stat 07:41:53 10/02/07 (1)

My favorite... - bjh 08:00:31 10/02/07 (0)

Life's too short to drag out this dead horse and beat it all over again. - Dave Pogue 05:03:34 10/02/07 (1)

What? - kerr 07:09:36 10/02/07 (0)

Where's Wellfed??? - kerr 04:48:56 10/02/07 (7)

I'm still around PHP lurkin' and behavin'... - Wellfed 09:20:47 10/03/07 (6)

RE: I'm still around PHP lurkin' and behavin'... - kerr 09:33:21 10/03/07 (1)

A man's gotta do what a man's gotta do... - Wellfed 09:43:11 10/03/07 (0)

Ah, The Outside! - bjh 09:28:20 10/03/07 (3)

Laughing with you b... - Wellfed 09:39:53 10/03/07 (2)

Well - bjh 10:39:50 10/03/07 (1)

Check this out... - Wellfed 15:57:42 10/03/07 (0)

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You concern me as a scientist in not seeing the distinction between null and real. - Norm 07:27:30 10/06/07 (2)

My current hypothesis is that you have no idea what you're talking about, no evidence so far to reject. nt/ - truthseekerprime 08:01:52 10/06/07 (1)

I am of the same opinion relative to you. As I said, there is no purpose in further discussion. nt - Norm 09:03:08 10/06/07 (0)

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