I'm just gathering my thoughts about DSD. I thought I'd gather them here in order to gain corrections/pointers from people who actually know what they're talking about.I'm not a young pup by any means (35), but this time last month I didn't know what DSD was. I knew about flac, alac and mp3, wav and aiff, but had never heard of DSD. I knew high fidelity music existed, I thought I was listening to it! Then I had a run in with Windows Media Player & took to scouring message boards to find a replacement. On the way I found DSD and I think most importantly, I started to question what I was listening to. I'm now upgrading as many of my music files as I can find high quality sources for. I'll still be listening through my PC or Smartphone connected to Bose headphones though...
Everything I've read to-date, approximately two decades' worth of data-sheets, Msc & DIY projects and forum posts, suggests that the conversion, recording, transport and playback of audio via DSD is, or at least should be, a simpler and cheaper solution to A/D/A than via PCM.
On that assumption (my background is in mechanical rather than electrical/electronic/audio engineering) I have based the following...
It seems that the reason DSD is a niche format is a combination of factors including the inherent size of DSD files, Sony/Philips early crushing grip of the format, and the general lack of knowledge in the public about DSD.
With continuous growth in StorageCapacity/in²/£ allowing multi-TB Hard Drives to become the norm, and with 10's of MB/s of internet bandwidth available to many, it is possible for even the largest digital music libraries to be accumulated easily and stored entirely on the home PC, the size of DSD files is now almost an irrelevance.
The proprietary grip on the format no longer exists. Innovation has seen new solutions to DSD popping up, from PS Audio's hardware to Merging Technology's software. There are plenty of fish in the sea, even if they are all swimming around in the same small area! The sparse DSD music landscape (thanks to Sony's heavy boot?) is a concern, but by all accounts, DSD done well has the potential to make other digital audio formats sound better (does this also hold for MP3?), increasing the potential immediate market for DSD capability beyond those few who currently own DSD files.
And this brings me I think to the biggest PITA...
As I said, I based these thoughts on the premise that DSD was easier, simpler and cheaper to do than PCM. But the material evidence, the DSD DAC market, says otherwise.Inside my PC, a mid-sized tower with discrete graphics card, I currently have enough spare, empty and usable space (which also happens to accommodate 2 available PCI slots) to place a small retail DSD-DAC, case and all. I believe that with a little real-estate design and component-placement management, PS Audio's Directstream hardware would also fit nicely. My point? That as a minimum a discrete DSD capable PC sound card is in the the realms of possibility, physically at least.
I presume that if it was possible, a software-only solution would already have been produced. Still, I can't help thinking that the simplicity of the required circuits, the power of computers and the genius of programmers, should be able to piece together a high quality application. Am I missing something fundamental here? Is it possible that people can create and programme algorithms capable of predicting a system as chaotic as the weather, but are unable to simulate a suitable low-pass filter who's parameters are well defined and well understood?
This is a massive assumption, but I suspect that given the option people would rather listen to hi-fidelity music, than watch high-definition videos of cats, perhaps. But they aren't going to be able to purchase products that they don't know about or that they have no way to access. If the market for hi-fidelity sound is to mature beyond the confines of the audiophile's 'listening room', there will have to be at least some attempt to market it by the industry. They will also need something to sell and £000's boxes aren't going to cut it in volume.
DSD is in a complex and expensive/time consuming niche, when it could, should be the standard.
Edits: 09/11/14
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Topic - DSD [A Reprise]... - Storris 06:47:22 09/11/14 (82)
- RE: DSD [A Reprise]... - Yuri Korzunov 08:23:23 09/17/14 (16)
- RE: DSD [A Reprise]... - Storris 09:44:01 09/17/14 (15)
- RE: DSD [A Reprise]... - Ted Smith 16:50:28 09/17/14 (11)
- RE: DSD [A Reprise]... - Yuri Korzunov 20:20:33 09/17/14 (10)
- RE: DSD [A Reprise]... - Storris 10:21:33 09/20/14 (9)
- RE: DSD [A Reprise]... - Yuri Korzunov 11:18:14 09/20/14 (8)
- RE: DSD [A Reprise]... - Tony Lauck 11:46:58 09/20/14 (5)
- RE: DSD [A Reprise]... - Storris 12:02:53 09/20/14 (2)
- RE: DSD [A Reprise]... - Tony Lauck 12:45:47 09/20/14 (1)
- RE: DSD [A Reprise]... - Storris 12:48:12 09/20/14 (0)
- RE: DSD [A Reprise]... - Yuri Korzunov 11:57:40 09/20/14 (1)
- RE: DSD [A Reprise]... - Yuri Korzunov 01:43:41 09/25/14 (0)
- RE: DSD [A Reprise]... - Storris 11:39:01 09/20/14 (1)
- RE: DSD [A Reprise]... - Yuri Korzunov 11:41:17 09/20/14 (0)
- RE: DSD [A Reprise]... - Yuri Korzunov 11:20:45 09/17/14 (2)
- RE: DSD [A Reprise]... - Storris 12:05:55 09/17/14 (1)
- RE: DSD [A Reprise]... - Yuri Korzunov 12:53:19 09/17/14 (0)
- This seems easy - G Squared 11:45:59 09/11/14 (46)
- RE: This seems easy - Storris 00:00:14 09/12/14 (45)
- RE: This seems easy - Storris 12:39:52 09/12/14 (1)
- Hope they make it for your application nt - G Squared 16:10:44 09/12/14 (0)
- Have you asked Schiit, - G Squared 06:46:47 09/12/14 (2)
- RE: Have you asked Schiit, - Mercman 11:35:23 09/12/14 (1)
- I am enjoying the Bifrost. Nt - G Squared 17:58:25 09/12/14 (0)
- RE: This seems easy - Storris 00:32:37 09/12/14 (39)
- RE: This seems easy - Mercman 03:26:35 09/12/14 (38)
- "stink up this forum" - well put, if too mildly for my tastes. - carcass93 10:47:16 09/12/14 (2)
- RE: "stink up this forum" - well put, if too mildly for my tastes. - Mercman 11:34:47 09/12/14 (1)
- Yeah... besides that one undeniable purpose, he serves another - providing "diversity". - carcass93 11:43:50 09/12/14 (0)
- RE: This seems easy - Storris 04:27:32 09/12/14 (34)
- "goal is bit-perfect, high-res, analogue, output from the PC" - whose goal is that? - carcass93 10:44:00 09/12/14 (33)
- RE: "goal is bit-perfect, high-res, analogue, output from the PC" - whose goal is that? - Storris 12:37:12 09/12/14 (32)
- RE: "goal is bit-perfect, high-res, analogue, output from the PC" - whose goal is that? - Storris 13:02:55 09/12/14 (31)
- RE: "goal is bit-perfect, high-res, analogue, output from the PC" - whose goal is that? - Storris 13:07:14 09/12/14 (30)
- You can go ahead and edit your posts, as posting to yourself isn't kosher...* - Chris Garrett 09:31:26 09/16/14 (0)
- RE: "goal is bit-perfect, high-res, analogue, output from the PC" - whose goal is that? - AbeCollins 14:23:46 09/12/14 (28)
- RE: "goal is bit-perfect, high-res, analogue, output from the PC" - whose goal is that? - Storris 15:39:40 09/12/14 (27)
- RE: "goal is bit-perfect, high-res, analogue, output from the PC" - whose goal is that? - Jaundiced Ear 17:25:02 09/12/14 (26)
- Redbook Proven to be not transparent - Tony Lauck 10:06:18 09/13/14 (8)
- RE: Redbook Proven to be not transparent - Jaundiced Ear 14:03:02 09/13/14 (4)
- RE: Redbook Proven to be not transparent - Tony Lauck 14:19:40 09/13/14 (3)
- "You have to read .... 4000+ posts" - or, he could assemble a reasonably resolving system, and listen. - carcass93 08:44:07 09/15/14 (0)
- RE: Redbook Proven to be not transparent - Jaundiced Ear 22:32:03 09/14/14 (1)
- RE: Redbook Proven to be not transparent - Tony Lauck 11:57:33 09/15/14 (0)
- Subjective objectivity - Storris 12:46:51 09/13/14 (2)
- RE: Subjective objectivity - Tony Lauck 13:31:09 09/13/14 (1)
- RE: Subjective objectivity - Storris 15:06:06 09/13/14 (0)
- RE: "goal is bit-perfect, high-res, analogue, output from the PC" - whose goal is that? - Storris 01:03:47 09/13/14 (16)
- Food for thought - Jaundiced Ear 14:09:19 09/13/14 (14)
- RE: Food for thought - Storris 21:46:59 09/14/14 (8)
- RE: Food for thought - Jaundiced Ear 22:30:32 09/14/14 (7)
- RE: Food for thought - Storris 22:58:36 09/14/14 (6)
- RE: Food for thought - Jaundiced Ear 23:06:56 09/14/14 (5)
- RE: Food for thought - Tony Lauck 12:37:33 09/15/14 (0)
- RE: Food for thought - Storris 01:33:46 09/15/14 (3)
- RE: Food for thought - Jaundiced Ear 04:05:30 09/15/14 (2)
- RE: Food for thought - Storris 04:30:48 09/15/14 (1)
- RE: Food for thought - Jaundiced Ear 05:04:01 09/15/14 (0)
- RE: Food for thought - Tony Lauck 17:30:00 09/13/14 (3)
- RE: Food for thought - Jaundiced Ear 22:40:30 09/14/14 (1)
- RE: Food for thought - Tony Lauck 05:21:15 09/15/14 (0)
- "Outrage" is interesting word. Do I feel outrage, reading that non-experiential crap? - carcass93 19:04:38 09/13/14 (0)
- RE: Food for thought - Storris 14:59:22 09/13/14 (0)
- RE: "goal is bit-perfect, high-res, analogue, output from the PC" - whose goal is that? - Storris 03:21:03 09/13/14 (0)
- RE: DSD [A Reprise]... - AbeCollins 08:39:16 09/11/14 (16)
- RE: DSD [A Reprise]... - Storris 19:01:58 09/11/14 (9)
- RE: DSD [A Reprise]... - Jaundiced Ear 22:33:04 09/11/14 (0)
- RE: DSD [A Reprise]... - AbeCollins 22:18:53 09/11/14 (7)
- Here's a modest sound card... - Jaundiced Ear 22:56:46 09/11/14 (6)
- RE: Here's a modest sound card... - Storris 23:33:16 09/11/14 (5)
- LOL!! - Jaundiced Ear 23:57:51 09/11/14 (4)
- RE: LOL!! - Storris 00:28:51 09/12/14 (3)
- Now don't get me wrong... - Jaundiced Ear 00:41:47 09/12/14 (2)
- RE: Now don't get me wrong... - Storris 03:05:49 09/12/14 (1)
- RE: Now don't get me wrong... - AbeCollins 07:44:32 09/12/14 (0)
- RE: DSD [A Reprise]... - Tony Lauck 11:29:09 09/11/14 (5)
- RE: DSD [A Reprise]... - AbeCollins 15:23:01 09/11/14 (4)
- RE: DSD [A Reprise]... - Tony Lauck 19:53:52 09/11/14 (3)
- RE: DSD [A Reprise]... - AbeCollins 22:27:41 09/11/14 (2)
- RE: DSD [A Reprise]... - Tony Lauck 07:09:23 09/12/14 (1)
- RE: DSD [A Reprise]... - AbeCollins 09:44:13 09/12/14 (0)
- RE: DSD [A Reprise]... - Tony Lauck 07:11:02 09/11/14 (0)