In Reply to: Thanks for the feedbacks. Here is my thinking......... posted by Kyu on October 4, 2003 at 22:38:42:
the claimed differences between XRCD, XRCD2, XRCD24. It's just that many of us are not convinced that there is a big difference between them.I really like the XRCD and XRCD2 titles that I own; the careful mastering really shines through. But in the final analysis despite whatever JVC is calling it (XRCD, XRCD2, XRDC24, XRCD3000, whatever) they are really all the same thing--redbook CDs. Nice redbook CDs, carefully mastered redbook CDs, yes, but still redbook CDs.
Most here are convinced that SACD as a format offers more resolution than redbook CD, though there are clearly some dissenters. Of course good mastering is essential to good sound regardless of format, and I would love to hear JVC apply their careful mastering process to the SACD format (XR-SA-CD, perhaps), and would gladly pay $25 for good titles. I’m not holding my breath for that to happen though.
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Follow Ups Full ThreadTopic - Anyone seriously A/B xrcd24 with sacd? - Kyu 02:10:33 10/04/03 (118)
- Thanks for the feedbacks. Here is my thinking......... - Kyu 22:38:42 10/04/03 (6)
- I think most of us are aware of .... - rebop 07:39:40 10/07/03 (0)
- One more comment... - PhilNYC 13:44:51 10/05/03 (0)
- That's well summed up - JMCIII 04:58:05 10/05/03 (1)
- Thanks for your kind words. It is my interest! (nt) - Kyu 03:09:43 10/06/03 (0)
- Re: Thanks for the feedbacks. Here is my thinking......... - chris.redmond2@bushinternet.com 04:10:27 10/05/03 (0)
- Sorry of the typing mistake! It is xrcd24 and not sacd24 in the para 3. (nt) - Kyu 03:17:53 10/05/03 (0)
- Art Pepper Landscape xrcd/24 is Superb..A Sonic Marvel..! - DHVCD 13:12:44 10/04/03 (0)
- You are asking this of people with a vested interest... - Rpbert H. 11:21:04 10/04/03 (76)
- Interesting.....But watch where you step... - Waldteufel 09:32:59 10/06/03 (0)
- FYI: Every SACD player can also play CDs as well, thus XRCD24 can be listened to and even - Teresa 16:14:02 10/04/03 (9)
- Re: FYI: Every SACD player can also play CDs as well, thus XRCD24 can be listened to and even - chris.redmond2@bushinternet.com 17:54:32 10/04/03 (8)
- Re: FYI: Every SACD player can also play CDs as well, thus XRCD24 can be listened to and even - CONfused 07:25:01 10/05/03 (1)
- Re: FYI: Every SACD player can also play CDs as well, thus XRCD24 can be listened to and even - chris.redmond2@bushinternet.com 09:54:10 10/05/03 (0)
- "Sacd players are pretty poor when it comes to CD so the comparison is invalid" - Methos 19:00:39 10/04/03 (5)
- Re: "Sacd players are pretty poor when it comes to CD so the comparison is invalid" - chris.redmond2@bushinternet.com 03:55:31 10/05/03 (4)
- It also demonstrates that there is nothing inherently compromised about the CD sections of SACD players... - Methos 16:09:00 10/06/03 (2)
- Re: It also demonstrates that there is nothing inherently compromised about the CD sections of SACD players... - chris.redmond2@bushinternet.com 12:45:39 10/07/03 (1)
- Well, let me see now...at the current exchange rate... - Methos 20:58:26 10/07/03 (0)
- Re: "Sacd players are pretty poor when it comes to CD so the comparison is invalid" - JMCIII 05:10:57 10/05/03 (0)
- Do you know what XRCD24 is? - Jazz Inmate 12:48:18 10/04/03 (64)
- Hey Greg, a monkey knows more than you... - Robert H. 14:21:21 10/04/03 (63)
- Have you compared XRCD24 (or XRCD for that matter) with SACD? - Jazz Inmate 16:24:03 10/04/03 (62)
- Hey Greg... - Robert H. 17:41:32 10/04/03 (61)
- "I don't care for SACD" - are you lost then? - Metralla 19:10:38 10/04/03 (60)
- You know, there is a large silent majority... - Robert H. 20:02:16 10/04/03 (59)
- So Why Are you Here? - DEJBlues 05:34:43 10/05/03 (12)
- Couldn't have said it better (nt) - Jazz Inmate 12:01:33 10/05/03 (11)
- At least you admit your inarticulateness... - Robert H. 12:30:54 10/05/03 (10)
- Quite a red herring you've tossed out there - Jazz Inmate 17:36:24 10/05/03 (0)
- Well, that's not entirely TRUE - Chris Garrett 16:07:58 10/05/03 (8)
- I guess in Florida... - Robert H. 16:21:06 10/05/03 (7)
- True, but........ - Chris Garrett 17:36:44 10/05/03 (3)
- Well, Chris, let me give you a bit more help... - Robert H. 18:16:03 10/05/03 (1)
- I look at it this way............ - Chris Garrett 18:43:32 10/05/03 (0)
- Chris you summed it up perfectly, bravo! (nt) - Teresa 17:50:53 10/05/03 (0)
- Go to the top of the page blind person: Hi-Rez Highway New high resolution SACD releases, players and technology. - Teresa 16:33:22 10/05/03 (2)
- Sorry, Theresa, sometimes I forget... - Robert H. 17:02:56 10/05/03 (1)
- really stupid post, why would you want to do anything you don't like, are you a masochist? - Teresa 17:15:39 10/05/03 (0)
- I find CD and DVD-Audio and SACD mastered from PCM to be seriously flawed! - Teresa 01:02:51 10/05/03 (15)
- Re: I find CD and DVD-Audio and SACD mastered from PCM to be seriously flawed! - chris.redmond2@bushinternet.com 04:17:18 10/05/03 (14)
- Re: I find CD and DVD-Audio and SACD mastered from PCM to be seriously flawed! - RdH 13:45:44 10/05/03 (1)
- You're a bad boy. :0) [nt] - chris.redmond2@bushinternet.com 13:55:28 10/05/03 (0)
- Re: I find CD and DVD-Audio and SACD mastered from PCM to be seriously flawed! - Robert H. 10:22:05 10/05/03 (0)
- OK Chris explain to me why LP sales increased 800% last year and SACD and DVD-Audio sales continure to increase as well? - Teresa 04:38:36 10/05/03 (10)
- Re: OK Chris explain to me why LP sales increased 800% last year and SACD and DVD-Audio sales continure to increase as w - ILoveJazz 22:06:59 10/09/03 (0)
- And exactly how does that demonstrate MILLIONS are turning away from CD???? - chris.redmond2@bushinternet.com 10:23:31 10/05/03 (8)
- Do you believe those figures? - Eric LeRouge 04:14:20 10/06/03 (0)
- Chris from your own Australian sales: LPs up 14.44% CDs up 2.84%! And this is only Australia, worldwide - Teresa 16:30:24 10/05/03 (1)
- Bit different from LPs up 800% and MILLIONS leaving CD Teresa LOL!! - chris.redmond2@bushinternet.com 23:27:07 10/05/03 (0)
- These numbers are unlikely to be reflective of worldwide sales - Stephen 14:25:55 10/05/03 (0)
- I don't think so, Chris - Dr. Audio-Unbolded 12:06:02 10/05/03 (1)
- I'm not so sure. - chris.redmond2@bushinternet.com 14:12:15 10/05/03 (0)
- Interesting ARIA stats - how do they classify hybrids? - Metralla 10:39:13 10/05/03 (1)
- Re: Interesting ARIA stats - how do they classify hybrids? - chris.redmond2@bushinternet.com 11:23:03 10/05/03 (0)
- There are some excellent titles on SACD ... - Metralla 22:49:47 10/04/03 (6)
- Sure there are... - Robert H. 10:18:05 10/05/03 (5)
- this makes much sense - tunenut 13:32:30 10/05/03 (4)
- Re: this makes much sense - Robert H. 15:35:00 10/05/03 (3)
- many good points - tunenut 20:43:48 10/05/03 (2)
- Re: many good points - applejack 15:54:37 10/06/03 (1)
- probably true... - tunenut 18:29:19 10/06/03 (0)
- I posted here long ago that SACD was the Emperor's New Clothes - Duilawyer 22:29:12 10/04/03 (21)
- Re: I posted here long ago that SACD was the Emperor's New Clothes - CONfused 04:56:46 10/05/03 (20)
- Post an example, please. Just one of the many.. nt - Duilawyer 08:26:45 10/05/03 (10)
- You, in fact, have posted such an example. Quite eloquently too - Metralla 10:12:45 10/05/03 (9)
- Hate to defend Dui but he didn't. - chris.redmond2@bushinternet.com 11:37:53 10/05/03 (8)
- Re: Hate to defend Dui but he didn't. - graemme 01:18:25 10/06/03 (5)
- Re: Hate to defend Dui but he didn't. - chris.redmond2@bushinternet.com 11:09:08 10/06/03 (1)
- Can you cite some examples of releases for which you feel the CD layer was 'sabotaged'? nt - Methos 10:28:51 10/10/03 (0)
- VERY interesting - Eric LeRouge 04:29:33 10/06/03 (1)
- Re: VERY interesting - graemme 00:03:22 10/07/03 (0)
- Re: Hate to defend Dui but he didn't. - Stephen 03:43:35 10/06/03 (0)
- It's worse than that... - Robert H. 12:35:08 10/05/03 (1)
- Re: It's worse than that... - chris.redmond2@bushinternet.com 13:45:02 10/05/03 (0)
- I'll second that DUI you need your hearing checked, anyone even non-audiophile's can hear the drastic difference between - Teresa 05:08:12 10/05/03 (8)
- How about a passage we can all listen to and verify that? - Duilawyer 08:27:48 10/05/03 (1)
- Any and every single passage you choose, just listen to the complete CD on any high end CD player then the - Teresa 16:40:21 10/05/03 (0)
- Re: I'll second that DUI you need your hearing checked, anyone even non-audiophile's can hear the drastic difference bet - CONfused 06:07:05 10/05/03 (5)
- ", because even the Cd hybrid layers sound much, much better on a standard CD player. " - Duilawyer 08:29:35 10/05/03 (4)
- He made that far too easy for you..... - chris.redmond2@bushinternet.com 11:42:40 10/05/03 (3)
- Why do you think he calls himself CONfused? - Robert H. 12:38:41 10/05/03 (2)
- Re: Why do you think he calls himself CONfused? - cjfrbw 17:07:29 10/06/03 (0)
- Logically if as you say " DSD mastering process is a big leap forward, when used on a CD" - Teresa 16:45:46 10/05/03 (0)
- "many like myself who find it seriously flawed" - Methos 22:04:25 10/04/03 (0)
- another title available in multi-format - soundboy 09:06:09 10/04/03 (1)
- When does it come out on wax cylinder? ;) nt - Biencfg 13:39:48 10/04/03 (0)
- if xrcd were to warrant MY money - hifitommy 07:45:05 10/04/03 (0)
- Generally speaking... - Audio Pharaoh 06:04:35 10/04/03 (0)
- You could compare... - rebop 05:33:27 10/04/03 (0)
- Re: i have....... - Croc 04:42:17 10/04/03 (0)
- Re: Anyone seriously A/B xrcd24 with sacd? - Mick Jones 02:39:01 10/04/03 (26)
- Re: Anyone seriously A/B xrcd24 with sacd? - Khorn 03:31:55 10/04/03 (25)
- There are LOTS of duplications... - rebop 05:52:07 10/04/03 (22)
- No there isn't... - applejack 10:23:14 10/04/03 (1)
- Yes I know... - rebop 19:26:40 10/04/03 (0)
- Re: There are LOTS of duplications... - chris.redmond2@bushinternet.com 09:57:00 10/04/03 (15)
- Well Chris... - rebop 19:22:22 10/04/03 (14)
- Re: Well Chris... - chris.redmond2@bushinternet.com 04:27:49 10/05/03 (13)
- Yes and No - Khorn 08:21:26 10/05/03 (7)
- You are not alone a decicated tube 2 channel SACD Only machine under $1,000.00 and I'm back in a heartbeat! - Teresa 18:12:58 10/05/03 (0)
- Re: Yes and No - chris.redmond2@bushinternet.com 10:41:45 10/05/03 (3)
- No - Metralla 11:20:59 10/05/03 (2)
- Either way the laser is compromised. [nt] - chris.redmond2@bushinternet.com 11:45:12 10/05/03 (1)
- Re: Either way the laser is compromised. [nt] - Khorn 12:15:55 10/05/03 (0)
- I would like to see a dedicated SACD machine too - Metralla 10:19:52 10/05/03 (1)
- Agree on hybrids - Stephen 13:47:27 10/05/03 (0)
- Let me rephrase... - rebop 06:40:33 10/05/03 (4)
- Re: Let me rephrase... - chris.redmond2@bushinternet.com 10:57:24 10/05/03 (3)
- That's the way I'm leaning... - rebop 06:10:55 10/06/03 (0)
- that's a copout!!!- nt - theaudiohobby 18:04:25 10/05/03 (1)
- Telling the truth is coping out? - chris.redmond2@bushinternet.com 14:33:34 10/06/03 (0)
- Re: There are LOTS of duplications... - Khorn 07:09:51 10/04/03 (3)
- Hey Khorny , you have NO hope of getting the Warner titles you want on SACDs . This must be very ... - ZS KEKL 13:00:29 10/04/03 (2)
- ZS KEKL I will prove once and for all how that SACD has more good music than DVD-A does. - Teresa 17:05:06 10/04/03 (0)
- Re: Hey Khorny , you have NO hope of getting the Warner titles you want on SACDs . This must be very ... - Khorn 13:07:38 10/04/03 (0)
- Re: Anyone seriously A/B xrcd24 with sacd? - JMCIII 04:34:55 10/04/03 (0)
- Re: Anyone seriously A/B xrcd24 with sacd? - JPF 04:34:32 10/04/03 (0)
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- I think most of us are aware of .... - rebop 07:39:40 10/07/03 (0)