In Reply to: Hate to defend Dui but he didn't. posted by chris.redmond2@bushinternet.com on October 5, 2003 at 11:37:53:
there's more than just the well documented case of the recent DSOTM hybrid where the CD layer has been deliberately degraded sonically to ensure the SACD layer will sound better.It's even trickling down now - for example the recent batch of Santana CD remasters are very notably below what is possible, no doubt to ensure that the eventual SACD or SACD hybrid release will show an "improvement".
What a scam this business is, but obviously, there are enough willing buyers to keep it going. The kids are smart - they have abandoned the record business in droves.
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Follow Ups Full ThreadTopic - Anyone seriously A/B xrcd24 with sacd? - Kyu 02:10:33 10/04/03 (118)
- Thanks for the feedbacks. Here is my thinking......... - Kyu 22:38:42 10/04/03 (6)
- I think most of us are aware of .... - rebop 07:39:40 10/07/03 (0)
- One more comment... - PhilNYC 13:44:51 10/05/03 (0)
- That's well summed up - JMCIII 04:58:05 10/05/03 (1)
- Thanks for your kind words. It is my interest! (nt) - Kyu 03:09:43 10/06/03 (0)
- Re: Thanks for the feedbacks. Here is my thinking......... - chris.redmond2@bushinternet.com 04:10:27 10/05/03 (0)
- Sorry of the typing mistake! It is xrcd24 and not sacd24 in the para 3. (nt) - Kyu 03:17:53 10/05/03 (0)
- Art Pepper Landscape xrcd/24 is Superb..A Sonic Marvel..! - DHVCD 13:12:44 10/04/03 (0)
- You are asking this of people with a vested interest... - Rpbert H. 11:21:04 10/04/03 (76)
- Interesting.....But watch where you step... - Waldteufel 09:32:59 10/06/03 (0)
- FYI: Every SACD player can also play CDs as well, thus XRCD24 can be listened to and even - Teresa 16:14:02 10/04/03 (9)
- Re: FYI: Every SACD player can also play CDs as well, thus XRCD24 can be listened to and even - chris.redmond2@bushinternet.com 17:54:32 10/04/03 (8)
- Re: FYI: Every SACD player can also play CDs as well, thus XRCD24 can be listened to and even - CONfused 07:25:01 10/05/03 (1)
- Re: FYI: Every SACD player can also play CDs as well, thus XRCD24 can be listened to and even - chris.redmond2@bushinternet.com 09:54:10 10/05/03 (0)
- "Sacd players are pretty poor when it comes to CD so the comparison is invalid" - Methos 19:00:39 10/04/03 (5)
- Re: "Sacd players are pretty poor when it comes to CD so the comparison is invalid" - chris.redmond2@bushinternet.com 03:55:31 10/05/03 (4)
- It also demonstrates that there is nothing inherently compromised about the CD sections of SACD players... - Methos 16:09:00 10/06/03 (2)
- Re: It also demonstrates that there is nothing inherently compromised about the CD sections of SACD players... - chris.redmond2@bushinternet.com 12:45:39 10/07/03 (1)
- Well, let me see now...at the current exchange rate... - Methos 20:58:26 10/07/03 (0)
- Re: "Sacd players are pretty poor when it comes to CD so the comparison is invalid" - JMCIII 05:10:57 10/05/03 (0)
- Do you know what XRCD24 is? - Jazz Inmate 12:48:18 10/04/03 (64)
- Hey Greg, a monkey knows more than you... - Robert H. 14:21:21 10/04/03 (63)
- Have you compared XRCD24 (or XRCD for that matter) with SACD? - Jazz Inmate 16:24:03 10/04/03 (62)
- Hey Greg... - Robert H. 17:41:32 10/04/03 (61)
- "I don't care for SACD" - are you lost then? - Metralla 19:10:38 10/04/03 (60)
- You know, there is a large silent majority... - Robert H. 20:02:16 10/04/03 (59)
- So Why Are you Here? - DEJBlues 05:34:43 10/05/03 (12)
- Couldn't have said it better (nt) - Jazz Inmate 12:01:33 10/05/03 (11)
- At least you admit your inarticulateness... - Robert H. 12:30:54 10/05/03 (10)
- Quite a red herring you've tossed out there - Jazz Inmate 17:36:24 10/05/03 (0)
- Well, that's not entirely TRUE - Chris Garrett 16:07:58 10/05/03 (8)
- I guess in Florida... - Robert H. 16:21:06 10/05/03 (7)
- True, but........ - Chris Garrett 17:36:44 10/05/03 (3)
- Well, Chris, let me give you a bit more help... - Robert H. 18:16:03 10/05/03 (1)
- I look at it this way............ - Chris Garrett 18:43:32 10/05/03 (0)
- Chris you summed it up perfectly, bravo! (nt) - Teresa 17:50:53 10/05/03 (0)
- Go to the top of the page blind person: Hi-Rez Highway New high resolution SACD releases, players and technology. - Teresa 16:33:22 10/05/03 (2)
- Sorry, Theresa, sometimes I forget... - Robert H. 17:02:56 10/05/03 (1)
- really stupid post, why would you want to do anything you don't like, are you a masochist? - Teresa 17:15:39 10/05/03 (0)
- I find CD and DVD-Audio and SACD mastered from PCM to be seriously flawed! - Teresa 01:02:51 10/05/03 (15)
- Re: I find CD and DVD-Audio and SACD mastered from PCM to be seriously flawed! - chris.redmond2@bushinternet.com 04:17:18 10/05/03 (14)
- Re: I find CD and DVD-Audio and SACD mastered from PCM to be seriously flawed! - RdH 13:45:44 10/05/03 (1)
- You're a bad boy. :0) [nt] - chris.redmond2@bushinternet.com 13:55:28 10/05/03 (0)
- Re: I find CD and DVD-Audio and SACD mastered from PCM to be seriously flawed! - Robert H. 10:22:05 10/05/03 (0)
- OK Chris explain to me why LP sales increased 800% last year and SACD and DVD-Audio sales continure to increase as well? - Teresa 04:38:36 10/05/03 (10)
- Re: OK Chris explain to me why LP sales increased 800% last year and SACD and DVD-Audio sales continure to increase as w - ILoveJazz 22:06:59 10/09/03 (0)
- And exactly how does that demonstrate MILLIONS are turning away from CD???? - chris.redmond2@bushinternet.com 10:23:31 10/05/03 (8)
- Do you believe those figures? - Eric LeRouge 04:14:20 10/06/03 (0)
- Chris from your own Australian sales: LPs up 14.44% CDs up 2.84%! And this is only Australia, worldwide - Teresa 16:30:24 10/05/03 (1)
- Bit different from LPs up 800% and MILLIONS leaving CD Teresa LOL!! - chris.redmond2@bushinternet.com 23:27:07 10/05/03 (0)
- These numbers are unlikely to be reflective of worldwide sales - Stephen 14:25:55 10/05/03 (0)
- I don't think so, Chris - Dr. Audio-Unbolded 12:06:02 10/05/03 (1)
- I'm not so sure. - chris.redmond2@bushinternet.com 14:12:15 10/05/03 (0)
- Interesting ARIA stats - how do they classify hybrids? - Metralla 10:39:13 10/05/03 (1)
- Re: Interesting ARIA stats - how do they classify hybrids? - chris.redmond2@bushinternet.com 11:23:03 10/05/03 (0)
- There are some excellent titles on SACD ... - Metralla 22:49:47 10/04/03 (6)
- Sure there are... - Robert H. 10:18:05 10/05/03 (5)
- this makes much sense - tunenut 13:32:30 10/05/03 (4)
- Re: this makes much sense - Robert H. 15:35:00 10/05/03 (3)
- many good points - tunenut 20:43:48 10/05/03 (2)
- Re: many good points - applejack 15:54:37 10/06/03 (1)
- probably true... - tunenut 18:29:19 10/06/03 (0)
- I posted here long ago that SACD was the Emperor's New Clothes - Duilawyer 22:29:12 10/04/03 (21)
- Re: I posted here long ago that SACD was the Emperor's New Clothes - CONfused 04:56:46 10/05/03 (20)
- Post an example, please. Just one of the many.. nt - Duilawyer 08:26:45 10/05/03 (10)
- You, in fact, have posted such an example. Quite eloquently too - Metralla 10:12:45 10/05/03 (9)
- Hate to defend Dui but he didn't. - chris.redmond2@bushinternet.com 11:37:53 10/05/03 (8)
- Re: Hate to defend Dui but he didn't. - graemme 01:18:25 10/06/03 (5)
- Re: Hate to defend Dui but he didn't. - chris.redmond2@bushinternet.com 11:09:08 10/06/03 (1)
- Can you cite some examples of releases for which you feel the CD layer was 'sabotaged'? nt - Methos 10:28:51 10/10/03 (0)
- VERY interesting - Eric LeRouge 04:29:33 10/06/03 (1)
- Re: VERY interesting - graemme 00:03:22 10/07/03 (0)
- Re: Hate to defend Dui but he didn't. - Stephen 03:43:35 10/06/03 (0)
- It's worse than that... - Robert H. 12:35:08 10/05/03 (1)
- Re: It's worse than that... - chris.redmond2@bushinternet.com 13:45:02 10/05/03 (0)
- I'll second that DUI you need your hearing checked, anyone even non-audiophile's can hear the drastic difference between - Teresa 05:08:12 10/05/03 (8)
- How about a passage we can all listen to and verify that? - Duilawyer 08:27:48 10/05/03 (1)
- Any and every single passage you choose, just listen to the complete CD on any high end CD player then the - Teresa 16:40:21 10/05/03 (0)
- Re: I'll second that DUI you need your hearing checked, anyone even non-audiophile's can hear the drastic difference bet - CONfused 06:07:05 10/05/03 (5)
- ", because even the Cd hybrid layers sound much, much better on a standard CD player. " - Duilawyer 08:29:35 10/05/03 (4)
- He made that far too easy for you..... - chris.redmond2@bushinternet.com 11:42:40 10/05/03 (3)
- Why do you think he calls himself CONfused? - Robert H. 12:38:41 10/05/03 (2)
- Re: Why do you think he calls himself CONfused? - cjfrbw 17:07:29 10/06/03 (0)
- Logically if as you say " DSD mastering process is a big leap forward, when used on a CD" - Teresa 16:45:46 10/05/03 (0)
- "many like myself who find it seriously flawed" - Methos 22:04:25 10/04/03 (0)
- another title available in multi-format - soundboy 09:06:09 10/04/03 (1)
- When does it come out on wax cylinder? ;) nt - Biencfg 13:39:48 10/04/03 (0)
- if xrcd were to warrant MY money - hifitommy 07:45:05 10/04/03 (0)
- Generally speaking... - Audio Pharaoh 06:04:35 10/04/03 (0)
- You could compare... - rebop 05:33:27 10/04/03 (0)
- Re: i have....... - Croc 04:42:17 10/04/03 (0)
- Re: Anyone seriously A/B xrcd24 with sacd? - Mick Jones 02:39:01 10/04/03 (26)
- Re: Anyone seriously A/B xrcd24 with sacd? - Khorn 03:31:55 10/04/03 (25)
- There are LOTS of duplications... - rebop 05:52:07 10/04/03 (22)
- No there isn't... - applejack 10:23:14 10/04/03 (1)
- Yes I know... - rebop 19:26:40 10/04/03 (0)
- Re: There are LOTS of duplications... - chris.redmond2@bushinternet.com 09:57:00 10/04/03 (15)
- Well Chris... - rebop 19:22:22 10/04/03 (14)
- Re: Well Chris... - chris.redmond2@bushinternet.com 04:27:49 10/05/03 (13)
- Yes and No - Khorn 08:21:26 10/05/03 (7)
- You are not alone a decicated tube 2 channel SACD Only machine under $1,000.00 and I'm back in a heartbeat! - Teresa 18:12:58 10/05/03 (0)
- Re: Yes and No - chris.redmond2@bushinternet.com 10:41:45 10/05/03 (3)
- No - Metralla 11:20:59 10/05/03 (2)
- Either way the laser is compromised. [nt] - chris.redmond2@bushinternet.com 11:45:12 10/05/03 (1)
- Re: Either way the laser is compromised. [nt] - Khorn 12:15:55 10/05/03 (0)
- I would like to see a dedicated SACD machine too - Metralla 10:19:52 10/05/03 (1)
- Agree on hybrids - Stephen 13:47:27 10/05/03 (0)
- Let me rephrase... - rebop 06:40:33 10/05/03 (4)
- Re: Let me rephrase... - chris.redmond2@bushinternet.com 10:57:24 10/05/03 (3)
- That's the way I'm leaning... - rebop 06:10:55 10/06/03 (0)
- that's a copout!!!- nt - theaudiohobby 18:04:25 10/05/03 (1)
- Telling the truth is coping out? - chris.redmond2@bushinternet.com 14:33:34 10/06/03 (0)
- Re: There are LOTS of duplications... - Khorn 07:09:51 10/04/03 (3)
- Hey Khorny , you have NO hope of getting the Warner titles you want on SACDs . This must be very ... - ZS KEKL 13:00:29 10/04/03 (2)
- ZS KEKL I will prove once and for all how that SACD has more good music than DVD-A does. - Teresa 17:05:06 10/04/03 (0)
- Re: Hey Khorny , you have NO hope of getting the Warner titles you want on SACDs . This must be very ... - Khorn 13:07:38 10/04/03 (0)
- Re: Anyone seriously A/B xrcd24 with sacd? - JMCIII 04:34:55 10/04/03 (0)
- Re: Anyone seriously A/B xrcd24 with sacd? - JPF 04:34:32 10/04/03 (0)
Follow Ups
- It's worse than that... - Robert H. 12:35:08 10/05/03 (1)
- Re: It's worse than that... - chris.redmond2@bushinternet.com 13:45:02 10/05/03 (0)