But poseurs like yourself tend to assume that speed equals glibness and

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Topic - Beethoven Sym #1 - Part 3 of 6 - The Ascendency & World Domination of Beethoven HIPs - Newey 20:08:02 03/17/16 (80)

Really!? - Timbo in Oz 12:32:17 03/20/16 (3)

I'm with you! Pretentious drivel. nt - oldmkvi 09:26:46 03/21/16 (2)

And Conceited, too -Calls himself Severius! Supremus Invictus [nt] - Newey 15:22:05 03/21/16 (0)

RE: I'm with you! Pretentious drivel. nt - Timbo in Oz 13:51:42 03/21/16 (0)

Here's a question- are the HIPers necessarily saying.... - MWE 17:36:34 03/18/16 (55)

My answer -- not as cleverly put as jdaniel's, alas. - rbolaw 15:47:50 03/19/16 (1)

My point exactly- historical document re-creation, not be all/end all. nt. - MWE 08:02:10 03/20/16 (0)

Sometimes people can't accept the reality that... - jdaniel@jps.net 18:52:34 03/18/16 (32)

And yet. . . and yet. . . (with apologies to Strauss and Hofmannsthal!) - Chris from Lafayette 20:45:27 03/18/16 (27)

"the person with taste will know what to do!" - Newey 20:39:52 03/19/16 (26)

Believe it or not, I agree with a lot of that. - rbolaw 08:06:09 03/20/16 (24)

I'd humbly add that it also depends upon where an instrument was made; French-made instruments have a - jdaniel@jps.net 13:17:52 03/20/16 (23)

No - Not Quite - The Truth Is Much More Complex - Newey 00:36:28 03/21/16 (12)

If you've learned all of that - rbolaw 08:39:07 03/21/16 (10)

"there are those who use original instruments. . . very effectively" - Chris from Lafayette 10:31:43 03/21/16 (9)

Please stop enabling your mini-me further. : ) Try Handel's Cecilia w/Lott - jdaniel@jps.net 11:44:34 03/21/16 (8)

You win... - Ivan303 18:21:27 03/21/16 (2)

Achingly beautiful. nt - jdaniel@jps.net 19:13:43 03/21/16 (1)

. . . it only it weren't spoiled by the. . . -oh never mind! [nt] ;-) - Chris from Lafayette 00:25:43 03/22/16 (0)

You won't believe this, but I used to have that recording (I think on open reel tape!) - Chris from Lafayette 16:44:47 03/21/16 (4)

Oh, Puh-leeeze! You really prefer Klemperer accompanying? Maybe Rosty on Cello? : ) nt - jdaniel@jps.net 19:15:15 03/21/16 (3)

Nope - let's not go to extremes! [nt] ;-) - Chris from Lafayette 19:59:51 03/21/16 (2)

. . . although, come to think of it, a Klemperer/Slava St. Cecelia would at the very least be interesting! [nt - Chris from Lafayette 23:40:24 03/21/16 (1)

If you like too much starch in your gravy. nt - jdaniel@jps.net 08:21:39 03/22/16 (0)

How long we've been waiting for you to realize that. : ) - jdaniel@jps.net 08:18:25 03/21/16 (0)

Yes - but some of those French instruments. . . - Chris from Lafayette 19:01:40 03/20/16 (1)

Can't speak to that... - Ivan303 21:19:16 03/20/16 (0)

Ah yes, but - rbolaw 15:09:02 03/20/16 (7)

HIP Berioz? - Ivan303 18:18:39 03/20/16 (3)

There's already HIP Berlioz - Chris from Lafayette 18:33:52 03/20/16 (2)

Susan Graham more than makes up for it... - Ivan303 08:05:28 03/21/16 (1)

RE: Susan Graham more than makes up for it... - Chris from Lafayette 10:28:07 03/21/16 (0)

Isn't there a glissando in the Symphonie Fantastique that modern winds can't handle? nt - jdaniel@jps.net 15:39:48 03/20/16 (2)

That one's tough. - rbolaw 18:58:43 03/20/16 (0)

Are you talking about those solos near the beginning of the last movement? [nt] - Chris from Lafayette 18:24:21 03/20/16 (0)

And the audiophile with taste will know which recording to buy. - genungo 07:28:51 03/20/16 (0)

"Music....you slut! How could you?" Hahahahaha! - MWE 20:09:32 03/18/16 (3)

RE: "Music....you slut! How could you?" Hahahahaha! - jdaniel@jps.net 20:28:04 03/18/16 (2)

Who's sending you to your room? [nt] - Chris from Lafayette 20:46:26 03/18/16 (1)

Too funny, I use the word "mistress" and, well; wait 'till till they find out I'm only packin' 12.... - jdaniel@jps.net 21:20:03 03/18/16 (0)

Even I can get behind that post, although of course. . . - Chris from Lafayette 18:43:09 03/18/16 (18)

RE: Even I can get behind that post, although of course. . . - rbolaw 08:41:22 03/19/16 (14)

Sorry, Roy - that's not the way I read it - Chris from Lafayette 11:57:49 03/19/16 (13)

Have you studied this topic? - rbolaw 13:55:44 03/19/16 (12)

I don't believe that what Tromlitz says about flute playing applies to string playing - Chris from Lafayette 14:25:02 03/19/16 (11)

If you want some vibrato-related aversion therapy, try to sit through Cleobury's old Spem in Alium on Argo. n - jdaniel@jps.net 18:03:04 03/19/16 (3)

I've already got a Spem in Alium recording - Chris from Lafayette 20:33:42 03/19/16 (2)

Of course, the lack of vibrato, IIRC, has something to do with clarifying the lines. : ) nt - jdaniel@jps.net 01:03:29 03/20/16 (1)

That's what some of them claim anyway [nt] - Chris from Lafayette 10:01:13 03/20/16 (0)

RE: I don't believe that what Tromlitz says about flute playing applies to string playing - rbolaw 15:06:46 03/19/16 (6)

Been checking a little bit of Quantz myself - Chris from Lafayette 18:14:21 03/19/16 (1)

OK, it's all good. - rbolaw 18:29:42 03/19/16 (0)

Guys, guys. Light up your bongs and forget about this stuff. - Rick W 18:05:50 03/19/16 (3)

I'll be right over...!!! nt - oldmkvi 09:28:46 03/21/16 (0)

What is a "bong"? - rbolaw 18:16:50 03/19/16 (0)

Sorry, Rick - saw your post too late! [nt] ;-) - Chris from Lafayette 18:15:35 03/19/16 (0)

Re: vibrato, take Savall: I find the sounds he produces to be exquisite and - jdaniel@jps.net 18:56:00 03/18/16 (2)

+1 nt - rbolaw 14:09:17 03/19/16 (1)

Thanks, Savall's Alia Vox recordings were some of the best-sounding CDs I owned - jdaniel@jps.net 17:51:52 03/19/16 (0)

+1 nt - srl1 18:11:59 03/18/16 (0)

RE: Beethoven Sym #1 - Part 3 of 6 - The Ascendency & World Domination of Beethoven HIPs - Kas 10:40:36 03/18/16 (3)

Over The Years - Newey 22:44:52 03/18/16 (2)

RE: Over The Years - Kas 10:52:18 03/22/16 (1)

Jarvi is certainly HIP-influenced, although he does use modern instruments - Chris from Lafayette 17:58:50 03/22/16 (0)

So I can put you down as a "No" for HIP performances? nt - srl1 08:06:14 03/18/16 (14)

The 1st mov't of Morris' "hell bent for leather" Beethoven 1st clocks in at 8:29. But Klemp's? - jdaniel@jps.net 08:39:56 03/18/16 (13)

Duh....Yuh..Uh - Newey 09:00:24 03/18/16 (12)

Good catch on the Klemp' though I'm reminded of the old saying: even a broken metronome is right two times a - jdaniel@jps.net 10:56:05 03/18/16 (2)

Hey Bubba - Newey 22:56:40 03/18/16 (1)

Yes, I know what an exposition repeat is. I didn't listen to the Klemp and personally I find audacious that he - jdaniel@jps.net 12:51:52 03/19/16 (0)

But poseurs like yourself tend to assume that speed equals glibness and - jdaniel@jps.net 09:25:17 03/18/16 (8)

No - I Don't - Newey 10:00:40 03/18/16 (7)

Speed. What else could you mean by your association of cocaine w/ the HIP mov't? How could Norrington, your #1 - jdaniel@jps.net 10:26:17 03/18/16 (6)

BOYS! BOYS! - Can we please stop using terms like "Idiot", "Ediot" and "Poseur"? - Chris from Lafayette 15:47:15 03/18/16 (5)

If you invited this rabid idiot back OR let him back in - Timbo in Oz 02:36:40 03/24/16 (0)

How about "stupid and hopelessly vulgar"? - rbolaw 16:44:25 03/18/16 (3)

I'll beat Newey to the punch - Chris from Lafayette 18:30:03 03/18/16 (2)

RE: I'll beat Newey to the punch - rbolaw 05:58:05 03/19/16 (0)

+ Dorati [Mercury] [nt] - Newey 18:37:13 03/18/16 (0)

I'm sorry Newey, but I quite "know" why I like my Beethoven "rough and unlubricated" - jdaniel@jps.net 21:27:47 03/17/16 (0)

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But poseurs like yourself tend to assume that speed equals glibness and - jdaniel@jps.net 09:25:17 03/18/16 (8)

No - I Don't - Newey 10:00:40 03/18/16 (7)

Speed. What else could you mean by your association of cocaine w/ the HIP mov't? How could Norrington, your #1 - jdaniel@jps.net 10:26:17 03/18/16 (6)

BOYS! BOYS! - Can we please stop using terms like "Idiot", "Ediot" and "Poseur"? - Chris from Lafayette 15:47:15 03/18/16 (5)

If you invited this rabid idiot back OR let him back in - Timbo in Oz 02:36:40 03/24/16 (0)

How about "stupid and hopelessly vulgar"? - rbolaw 16:44:25 03/18/16 (3)

I'll beat Newey to the punch - Chris from Lafayette 18:30:03 03/18/16 (2)

RE: I'll beat Newey to the punch - rbolaw 05:58:05 03/19/16 (0)

+ Dorati [Mercury] [nt] - Newey 18:37:13 03/18/16 (0)

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