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Does anyone know the make and model # of the stock Naim power cord that is currently shipping with the new Naim gear?Thanks!
Bob
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you REID? (-:
Also their digital cable does not have any logo. Just a direction marker.
... or maybe I am missing something.
I mean, it looks very off-the-shelf.
Is it the same model for CDs, pres or amps?
Regards,bg
And their stock cord sounds the best with a Naim kit for what they strive for.It might not meet your sonic criteria, however.
Hi.Of course, I could be wrong.
You want to read out the entire description marked on the Naim cord you got so I can tell what cord is it made of?
c-J
Thank you for your kind and interesting explanation.
I wonder if they recommend the same kind of power cable for amps and digital sources.
Kind regards,bg
I've tried other aftermarket leads with all the Naim kit.I always go back to the supplied power cords.
An old Volex on other non Naim items, however, seems to be a hit and miss.
NANA's new Tibia cord ( North American market only ) actually works with my various phonostages and power supplies ( Art Audio and 47Labs ).
But the system is heavily *Naimed* in that your results may vary.I still use NBS for Krell digital and Art Audio power amps beating the Tibia by a large margin.
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I've read similar reports about the use of the stock power cord from other Naim owners. It would be interesting to know the results of an AC connector upgrade for the stock power cord. My guess is that a Furutech FI-11M(Cu) AC plug and FI-11(Ag) IEC connector combo would be a safe and affordable bet for such a purpose. I've placed the connectors on a number of DIY, aftermarket, and stock power cords, and have not yet found them to take a power cord in an undesirable sonic direction (the combo is quite versatile per application, IME).
Dear Mr. Duster,I find your attention to the plugs quality extremely interesting.
Have you ever tried different cords sporting same plugs?
Maybe the quality of the plugs and receptacles is the real problem.
More than the cable itself.
Very interesting.
Kind regards,beppe
Yes, I've terminated a number of different power cords with same connector and same connector combos. The issue should be viewed in a similar manner as any other cable, IME. For example: A high quality interconnect cable terminated with mundane rca connectors will only perform as good as it's weakest link, so to speak. To place the value of connectors above the cable (and vise versa) is counterproductive, yet, it's been shown in my experience that even a mundane stock power cord's performance can be greatly improved when terminated with high performance AC connectors.
Dear Mr. Duster, I thank you again for your always valuable advice.
I will study the AC connectors issue more in depth, also reading your past posts.
Kind regards,beppe
It should be noted, however, that a good connector cannot make a garbage cable perform, as some in other forums would have you assume. I've bought several 'budget' PC's, and they all have been mediocre, regardless of connectors. You can twist 3 12awg wires together, and terminate with an Oyaide, but it doesn't make a superior cable. Period. Any more than putting WBT nextgens on a piece of scrap-wire, and calling it audiophile.
A tendency to do the opposite is what should be most noted, as folks more often consider connectors to be an afterthought rather than a critical element that's just as important as the cable vs. the other way around.I don't know of any forum that would advocate a cheap wire/stellar connector combo (power cord, IC, speaker cable, etc.) as a wise thing to do, other than as an option based on certain limitations such as the cost involved per a very long run of cable, or the ability to (or a want to) modify a device in an optimum manner as being the criteria.
Thus said, skimping on the cost of connectors involved in a cable project is more often the issue to address, since it's a real pity to terminate a stellar cable with cheap connectors (counterproductive), while it's a very worthy thing (productive) to terminate a cheap cable with stellar connectors if certain factors such as those mentioned prohibit the use of a stellar cable for one's needs.
*My guess is that a Furutech FI-11M(Cu) AC plug and FI-11(Ag) IEC connector combo would be a safe and affordable bet for such a purpose.*
I know few folks try to change their stock socket to a standard Naim cord.*I've placed the connectors on a number of DIY, aftermarket, and stock power cords, and have not yet found them to take a power cord in an undesirable sonic direction (the combo is quite versatile per application, IME).*
That's good to know.
However, as any parts/soldering method/material would alter the sound.
Ultimtately, its worth should be judged by an each listener since a sonic preference ( desireble/undesirable ) is highly personal.
It's the same power cable for everything marked Naim! I did try some expensive aftermarket cords on my NAC72/Hicap/NAP250, but seemed to lose a measure of Naiminess against the better qualities of the esoterics. I had more fun with the stock Naim cables in place. Incidentally, I now have Naim cords on all my non-Naim equipment.
Many after-market powercords have more capacitance than stock cables. This creates the impression of better bass (actually bloated bass). This will drastically reduce dynamics and to some extent, the 'digital edge' seems to be reduced because of this. So people might like this effect. Since Naim is known for dynamics. You are probably finding the 'Naimness' gone with certain after-market power cords. Try some Nordost powercords, you might like them. Better dynamics.
Thanks for the thoughtful post. The esoteric power cables I refer to are, in fact, Nordost Shiva and Eldorado. I did find both to improve midrange bloom but at the expense of snap and sparkle. At one point I Shiva'd individual components as well as the entire system.There were clear differences, but in my opinion there is simply a symbiotic interaction between Naim equipment and the supplied cords. That said, the Nordost cables had more dramatic effect when installed on equipment not sourced from the House of Naim.
It just occured to me that while owners of other audio brands will spend money on expensive power cables, Flat Earthers will put the money into better power supplies. Apparently, we're all afflicted by similar dementia.
Have you actually tried on them?
Thank you very much Sir for the information.
Do you mean that Naim power cord (I understand they make just only this one model) is very effective on other brands' equipment as well ?
Really interesting.Thank you and regards,
bg
Hi BG,Yes, it's effective on other equipment as well. Please keep in mind that there are synergies to be had between power cables and equipment, just as there are with other cables in your system. While there isn't a perfect mains lead for every component, the Naim cable is worth trying in your setup for a small outlay of $$.
You aint kidding about a small outlay of $$. Acording to the Naim USA website, the price is $25.00!Dave
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Do you know what make is your Naim PC and the model #?Thanks!
Bob
Hi Bob - I have the Volex 17604 cables. It's the same as the Belden cable used in the Bob Crump DIY recipe. As such, it's basically the first step up in upgrading power cables. There's actually a thread floating on the Internet of how an audiophile preferred the Volex to the Michael Wolff Source cable.It'll be better than a stock cable, for sure, but maybe the Volex isn't the best for your system. Either way it's cheap to try.
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Speculation on my part, but it does bear a strong resemblance to a Volex 17604.
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It is standard. See http://www.quail.com/catPage.cfm?catID=2
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