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Topic - Administrivia: OK, OK, some of the moderators will be more proactive here - Ted Smith 08:46:00 12/15/07 (219)

Too Heavy-Handed, IMO.............. - Todd Krieger 20:03:07 12/17/07 (2)

Well one reason we are being more active is that people are complaining. - Ted Smith 21:09:32 12/17/07 (1)

I Get Your Point..... - Todd Krieger 07:19:59 12/18/07 (0)

One of the funniest threads of all times - I enjoyed it thoroughly. - carcass93 17:46:53 12/16/07 (4)

RE: One of the funniest threads of all times - I enjoyed it thoroughly. - Ted Smith 18:06:41 12/16/07 (3)

So, the answer is - he did neither, and that was, and is, fine with everybody. - carcass93 18:22:37 12/16/07 (0)

Defence? - AJinFLA 18:18:58 12/16/07 (1)

defeat of dehorse went over defence before detail [nt] - Ted Smith 18:37:45 12/16/07 (0)

This has been a most illuminating thread - E-Stat 14:49:51 12/16/07 (0)

RE: I gotta hand to you guys... - theaudiohobby 10:35:27 12/16/07 (194)

This issue isn't his "technical" proficiency - Sordidman 13:39:55 12/18/07 (3)

I imply that people cannot hear ghosts, spot unicorns or run 100m in 9 seconds flat, despite their claims of - AJinFLA 17:51:04 12/18/07 (2)

or apply any sort of reason, logic, or science........ nt - Sordidman 17:10:59 12/19/07 (1)

..to your audiophile beliefs no. None needed. (nt) - AJinFLA 17:47:29 12/19/07 (0)

I've Disagreed With You on a Lot of Topics..... But...... - Todd Krieger 20:14:36 12/17/07 (0)

His choice, not ours - Ted Smith 10:47:00 12/16/07 (187)

Whose lies and retractions you guys worry about? - tlyyra 11:54:19 12/16/07 (174)

Yes I have stopped beating my wife... - John Atkinson 15:26:56 12/16/07 (9)

RE: Yes I have stopped beating my wife... - tlyyra 04:13:08 12/17/07 (8)

RE: Yes I have stopped beating my wife... - John Atkinson 16:33:46 12/17/07 (7)

What a clever way to commit an auto-da-fe! - tlyyra 06:29:41 12/18/07 (6)

"You are banned..." Misquote! - bjh 07:19:35 12/18/07 (5)

Yes, exactly as you say: He was banned. Thanx for confirmation. - tlyyra 10:50:52 12/18/07 (4)

You must be kidding. - robert young 12:17:17 12/18/07 (3)

RE: "slanderous and unsubstantiated statements" - tlyyra 13:37:56 12/18/07 (1)

Pssst - E-Stat 14:36:32 12/18/07 (0)

There's just no talking to the lad! - bjh 12:41:39 12/18/07 (0)

Question RE: Atkinson - DBT/Absolute Signal Polarity - bjh 13:30:27 12/16/07 (155)

RE: Question RE: Atkinson - DBT/Absolute Signal Polarity - andy_c 09:03:46 12/17/07 (130)

RE: Question RE: Atkinson - DBT/Absolute Signal Polarity - rdf 09:30:04 12/17/07 (4)

RE: Question RE: Atkinson - DBT/Absolute Signal Polarity - andy_c 09:40:15 12/17/07 (3)

RE: Question RE: Atkinson - DBT/Absolute Signal Polarity - tlyyra 09:43:26 12/17/07 (2)

RE: Question RE: Atkinson - DBT/Absolute Signal Polarity - andy_c 09:55:48 12/17/07 (1)

RE: Question RE: Atkinson - DBT/Absolute Signal Polarity - tlyyra 10:04:11 12/17/07 (0)

BTW... - bjh 09:26:39 12/17/07 (3)

Atkinson has been offered many chances to set the record straight. - tlyyra 09:52:31 12/17/07 (2)

What does he have to set straight? If he examines what he wrote - bjh 10:48:13 12/17/07 (1)

Blessed be the faithful. - tlyyra 11:04:22 12/17/07 (0)

I seems clear to me that Atkinson *was not in error* based upon the relevant quote. - bjh 09:21:58 12/17/07 (119)

RE: "I believe..." - tlyyra 09:27:14 12/17/07 (118)

To be entirely clear the Retraction I mention should come from you. - bjh 10:03:31 12/17/07 (117)

RE: To be entirely clear the Retraction I mention should come from you. - John Atkinson 13:56:49 12/17/07 (110)

Would you now also care to point out... - tlyyra 14:07:53 12/17/07 (108)

More Remedial Statistics - John Atkinson 14:35:18 12/17/07 (107)

Thank you. - tlyyra 15:12:38 12/17/07 (10)

RE: Thank you. - John Atkinson 16:26:12 12/17/07 (1)

RE: Thank you. - tlyyra 17:07:52 12/17/07 (0)

Yes or No session... - bjh 15:25:55 12/17/07 (7)

Nice, thanks for helping out. - tlyyra 15:52:46 12/17/07 (6)

RE: Nice, thanks for helping out. - bjh 16:35:11 12/17/07 (5)

The lesson learned is simply that... - tlyyra 17:22:15 12/17/07 (4)

A story about a manufacturing engineer I used to work with... - andy_c 09:16:22 12/18/07 (1)

Good one... :-) - tlyyra 10:55:43 12/18/07 (0)

Well at least I would have to say that ... - bjh 17:39:28 12/17/07 (1)

Now I'll put it really simply. - tlyyra 03:40:40 12/18/07 (0)

RE: More Remedial Statistics - andy_c 14:45:43 12/17/07 (95)

RE: More Remedial Statistics - rdf 15:22:44 12/17/07 (94)

RE: More Remedial Statistics - andy_c 15:59:28 12/17/07 (11)

RE: More Remedial Statistics - rdf 18:10:37 12/17/07 (4)

Does it say ANYWHERE in the BASS article... - tlyyra 02:24:19 12/18/07 (2)

RE: Does it say ANYWHERE in the BASS article... - rdf 08:02:35 12/18/07 (1)

RE: Does it say ANYWHERE in the BASS article... - tlyyra 11:24:32 12/18/07 (0)

RE: More Remedial Statistics - andy_c 18:36:48 12/17/07 (0)

If I may add one more explanatory note re: that "circumstantial" connection. - tlyyra 16:18:14 12/17/07 (5)

Understood. - andy_c 16:29:04 12/17/07 (4)

That would indeed be great. - tlyyra 17:26:08 12/17/07 (3)

RE: That would indeed be great. - andy_c 17:58:40 12/17/07 (2)

OK, though I'm not sure what's still uncertain. - tlyyra 02:29:02 12/18/07 (1)

RE: OK, though I'm not sure what's still uncertain. - andy_c 07:50:33 12/18/07 (0)

More stuff if interested. - tlyyra 15:35:15 12/17/07 (81)

"...in plain olde English. " - robert young 17:24:16 12/17/07 (80)

RE: "...in plain olde English. " - John Atkinson 03:56:17 12/18/07 (42)

Then it seems neither do you. - tlyyra 04:05:59 12/18/07 (41)

RE: Then it seems neither do you. - John Atkinson 08:32:16 12/18/07 (40)

RE: Then it seems neither do you. - tlyyra 12:46:39 12/18/07 (39)

"efforts to undermine the questioner's character" - robert young 13:00:34 12/18/07 (38)

Except that I have not said any of that. - tlyyra 13:09:49 12/18/07 (37)

Au contraire! - bjh 16:49:49 12/18/07 (36)

One more time, but then I won't play your game any more. - tlyyra 02:58:17 12/19/07 (35)

No, that's right. - robert young 05:00:39 12/19/07 (34)

That's your conclusion and I am not objecting. - tlyyra 06:00:30 12/19/07 (33)

" point of grammar????" - robert young 07:58:25 12/19/07 (32)

Point of semantics. - tlyyra 02:59:25 12/20/07 (10)

"Is that all you've got left????". - robert young 05:35:39 12/20/07 (9)

RE: "abuse of language" - tlyyra 06:22:21 12/20/07 (8)

Please help with a clarification. - robert young 07:00:39 12/20/07 (7)

Can you describe what the point would be? - tlyyra 08:19:35 12/20/07 (6)

No, it is at the heart of the point. - robert young 09:35:36 12/20/07 (5)

RE: No, it is at the heart of the point. - John Atkinson 10:54:33 12/20/07 (4)

I believe you were expected to give up a limb, - bjh 13:11:29 12/20/07 (1)

I'm afraid JA stopped patting on your back some time ago already. - tlyyra 13:50:11 12/20/07 (0)

RE: "I have acknowledged that I may have made an error." - tlyyra 11:30:31 12/20/07 (0)

Yes, it's time to move on. Nothing to be gained here. - robert young 11:15:29 12/20/07 (0)

RE: " point of grammar????" - John Atkinson 08:38:22 12/19/07 (20)

"[Your] Assumed Guilt"? Are you trying to become an Audio Asylum martyr? - tlyyra 02:58:14 12/20/07 (17)

Why is this so hard for you?? - robert young 05:30:34 12/20/07 (14)

Just one substantive question left. - tlyyra 06:28:24 12/20/07 (13)

Administrivia: Stop spreading falsehoods or ... - Ted Smith 11:45:16 12/20/07 (0)

RE: Just one substantive question left. - pande 08:40:47 12/20/07 (5)

You are overly dramatic. - tlyyra 08:46:37 12/20/07 (4)

RE: You are overly dramatic. - pande 09:33:57 12/20/07 (3)

So was I... - tlyyra 05:12:23 12/21/07 (2)

RE: So was I... - pande 11:13:02 12/21/07 (1)

Good for you. - tlyyra 10:05:24 12/22/07 (0)

If you believe what you wrote, then you are ... - robert young 06:48:27 12/20/07 (5)

Re: "Intelligent debate..." - tlyyra 06:55:36 12/20/07 (4)

"leave us intelligently debating!" - robert young 06:59:04 12/20/07 (3)

That was a parody, Robert dear. - tlyyra 08:28:27 12/20/07 (1)

All your exclamation points gave away the parody. - robert young 09:29:28 12/20/07 (0)

My only regret is that I wasted my - bjh 07:57:48 12/20/07 (0)

Sigh... - John Atkinson 04:19:30 12/20/07 (1)

RE: Sigh... - tlyyra 05:22:33 12/20/07 (0)

RE: " point of grammar????" - andy_c 19:28:38 12/19/07 (1)

Thanks - John Atkinson 04:22:49 12/20/07 (0)

I rather prefer... - tlyyra 03:12:34 12/18/07 (36)

RE: I rather prefer... - morricab 04:27:23 12/18/07 (35)

According to which thesis? - tlyyra 04:41:14 12/18/07 (34)

It's from your own link!!! - robert young 04:52:27 12/18/07 (33)

"You can't have your cake and eat it too. " No? - bjh 07:04:37 12/18/07 (0)

What are you talking about? - tlyyra 06:22:38 12/18/07 (31)

RE: What are you talking about? - morricab 08:33:44 12/18/07 (30)

Fine. - tlyyra 13:02:15 12/18/07 (29)

RE: Fine. - morricab 02:29:24 12/19/07 (28)

RE: Fine. - tlyyra 03:22:03 12/19/07 (27)

RE: Fine. - morricab 09:03:55 12/19/07 (26)

Debunking / Policing on AA / Correcting Errors - tlyyra 04:12:31 12/20/07 (9)

Administrivia: Stop spreading falsehoods or ... - Ted Smith 11:41:29 12/20/07 (3)

RE: Administrivia: Stop spreading falsehoods or ... - tlyyra 12:09:25 12/20/07 (2)

RE: Administrivia: Stop spreading falsehoods or ... - Ted Smith 12:16:06 12/20/07 (1)

RE: Administrivia: Stop spreading falsehoods or ... - tlyyra 14:03:19 12/20/07 (0)

Correcting Errors - John Atkinson 04:29:46 12/20/07 (4)

Correcting More Errors - tlyyra 05:39:35 12/20/07 (3)

RE: Correcting More Errors - John Atkinson 06:41:51 12/20/07 (2)

Why not just answer the questions? They would settle it all so very quickly. - tlyyra 08:17:37 12/20/07 (1)

I'm only replying so you can't delete it. - robert young 10:14:03 12/20/07 (0)

RE: Fine. - andy_c 20:47:09 12/19/07 (12)

RE: Fine. - morricab 02:19:23 12/20/07 (11)

Yes, you are missing something. - tlyyra 03:25:06 12/20/07 (10)

RE: Yes, you are missing something. - morricab 03:15:50 12/21/07 (9)

'Interpretation' and 'reinterpretation' - tlyyra 04:06:27 12/21/07 (8)

RE: 'Interpretation' and 'reinterpretation' - John Atkinson 11:50:25 12/21/07 (6)

RE: 'Interpretation' and 'reinterpretation' - tlyyra 11:30:02 12/22/07 (5)

RE: 'Interpretation' and 'reinterpretation' - John Atkinson 14:57:16 12/22/07 (4)

RE: 'Interpretation' and 'reinterpretation' - tlyyra 05:37:18 12/23/07 (3)

RE: 'Interpretation' and 'reinterpretation' - John Atkinson 08:01:18 12/24/07 (2)

"Semantic forests" and still no evidence you can cite? - tlyyra 08:59:06 12/26/07 (1)

More mindreading, it appears - John Atkinson 13:51:11 12/27/07 (0)

RE: 'Interpretation' and 'reinterpretation' - morricab 06:23:28 12/21/07 (0)

Objection, Your Honor - bjh 09:37:39 12/19/07 (2)

Right, you have no arguments... - tlyyra 03:27:33 12/20/07 (0)

RE: Objection, Your Honor - morricab 02:16:49 12/20/07 (0)

You can thank member andy_c for the research, - bjh 14:03:47 12/17/07 (0)

Basic math, and another friendly suggestion for you. - tlyyra 10:11:41 12/17/07 (5)

You again need reminding that your charge of "totally false" pertaining to - bjh 10:28:26 12/17/07 (4)

99% instead of 53% is not totally false? - tlyyra 10:46:38 12/17/07 (3)

Remedial Statistics? - John Atkinson 13:49:47 12/17/07 (1)

Is it just me or ... - bjh 15:05:02 12/17/07 (0)

As to the matter at hand I have said all I have to say. However on another point ... - bjh 11:01:41 12/17/07 (0)

Exactly. - tlyyra 09:19:23 12/17/07 (0)

Here's a piece of advise. Or two. - tlyyra 05:47:08 12/17/07 (2)

RE: Here's a piece of advise. Or two. - morricab 03:03:09 12/21/07 (1)

RE: Here's a piece of advise. Or two. - tlyyra 11:54:01 12/22/07 (0)

RE: Question RE: Atkinson - DBT/Absolute Signal Polarity - rdf 13:41:33 12/16/07 (20)

RE: Question RE: Atkinson - DBT/Absolute Signal Polarity - tlyyra 05:40:35 12/17/07 (6)

RE: Question RE: Atkinson - DBT/Absolute Signal Polarity - rdf 09:11:29 12/17/07 (1)

See my other responses. - tlyyra 09:39:03 12/17/07 (0)

"Atkinson seems to regard it much more highly than you. See my reply to bjh below." - bjh 08:41:21 12/17/07 (3)

What are you talking about? - tlyyra 08:56:53 12/17/07 (2)

RE: What are you talking about? - rdf 20:49:10 12/17/07 (1)

I asked essentially the - bjh 07:43:13 12/18/07 (0)

Actually I believe many of the tests referenced on the ABX site have been published. However - bjh 13:49:14 12/16/07 (12)

RE:"little information is provided" - tlyyra 05:52:33 12/17/07 (11)

"They've felt inclined to (mis)quote the score numerous times in (assumed) support of their own positions." - bjh 08:30:26 12/17/07 (10)

You already did that for me. - tlyyra 08:46:15 12/17/07 (9)

ATKINSON DID NOT CITE THE ABX WEB PAGE AS SOURCE! - bjh 09:02:32 12/17/07 (8)

Please read what I said. - tlyyra 09:11:06 12/17/07 (7)

RE: Please read what I said. - morricab 03:18:35 12/21/07 (6)

RE: Please read what I said. - tlyyra 05:52:44 12/21/07 (5)

RE: Please read what I said. - morricab 08:07:33 12/21/07 (4)

RE: Please read what I said. - tlyyra 12:03:28 12/22/07 (3)

RE: Please read what I said. - morricab 02:20:24 12/24/07 (2)

Six words. - tlyyra 05:52:38 12/24/07 (1)

RE: Six words. - morricab 15:07:02 12/25/07 (0)

I'm not going to wade thru what I've read of your accusations again - Ted Smith 12:08:30 12/16/07 (4)

RE: "If JA defamed you please write a concise explanation with cites to the evidence clear enough" - tlyyra 12:14:11 12/16/07 (3)

RE: "If JA defamed you please write a concise explanation with cites to the evidence clear enough" - John Atkinson 15:34:16 12/16/07 (1)

The plot thickens! - tlyyra 04:27:35 12/17/07 (0)

RE: "If JA defamed you please write a concise explanation with cites to the evidence clear enough" - Ted Smith 12:57:19 12/16/07 (0)

RE: Whose lies and retractions you guys worry about? - The Bored 12:05:54 12/16/07 (2)

RE: Whose lies and retractions you guys worry about? - tlyyra 12:08:32 12/16/07 (1)

RE: Whose lies and retractions you guys worry about? - bjh 12:18:53 12/16/07 (0)

RE: His choice, not ours - theaudiohobby 11:33:22 12/16/07 (11)

I'm not going to argue it with you. - Ted Smith 11:40:56 12/16/07 (10)

RE: I'm not going to argue it with you. - theaudiohobby 11:43:24 12/16/07 (9)

Yep you should have - Ted Smith 11:51:51 12/16/07 (8)

"Friendly jabbing back and forth" - tlyyra 12:06:42 12/16/07 (0)

It also appear he read very selectively from the paper! - bjh 12:06:39 12/16/07 (6)

RE: It also appear he read very selectively from the paper! - theaudiohobby 11:42:14 12/17/07 (0)

RE: It also appear he read very selectively from the paper! - theaudiohobby 04:17:32 12/17/07 (4)

1st paragraph (following Figure 11) on page 100. - bjh 13:54:05 12/17/07 (3)

RE: 1st paragraph (following Figure 11) on page 100. - theaudiohobby 14:46:23 12/17/07 (2)

You're welcome. nt - bjh 15:12:21 12/17/07 (1)

RE: I hope you appreciate - theaudiohobby 01:05:09 12/19/07 (0)

RE: I gotta hand to you guys... - Analog Scott 10:43:25 12/16/07 (0)

RE: Administrivia: OK, OK, some of the moderators will be more proactive here - truthseekerprime 07:46:55 12/16/07 (0)

Another point of view - andy_c 10:25:47 12/15/07 (12)

RE: a suggestion - mls-stl 12:59:36 12/15/07 (5)

RE: a suggestion - kerr 10:58:19 12/17/07 (2)

RE: a suggestion - mls-stl 11:53:03 12/17/07 (1)

Now then... - kerr 11:57:52 12/17/07 (0)

Or, perhaps - E-Stat 14:43:09 12/15/07 (1)

I always thought it should be called "Thunderdome"... - mkuller 11:55:55 12/16/07 (0)

I'm not in disagreement, - Ted Smith 12:33:49 12/15/07 (2)

RE: I'm not in disagreement, - rdf 13:12:24 12/15/07 (0)

You really need give all this some more thought. - bjh 12:48:02 12/15/07 (0)

Addendum: I think most of us know already which posters to avoid, the ones who seem to be here... - clarkjohnsen 10:33:58 12/15/07 (2)

They let YOU post here ? - Richard BassNut Greene 07:26:55 12/17/07 (0)

Exactly my point, thanks [nt] - Ted Smith 12:25:07 12/15/07 (0)

That's the thing about mental illness.... - Don T 09:20:43 12/15/07 (0)

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