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In Reply to: But, what does "bitperfect is bitperfect" **MEAN**?? posted by Presto on June 13, 2013 at 15:10:49:
"Then we have the analog side of the DAC. Who is arguing about THAT? Only the "all gear sounds the same guys", I would guess..."
Who is arguing about that?
How about JRiver for one, as regards JPLAY?:
From JRMC's website: "For his computeraudiophile.com blog, Mitcho tested JRiver Media Center and Jplay. Both produce measurably identical bitperfect output."
As a result, JRiver recommends uninstalling JPLAY. I'm not mentioning this to get into the JPLAY discussion here but rather to say that there a lot more people out there who believe "bit perfect" is the end of the conversation than I would have imagined. I was once one of those people but believe I understand (and have heard) just enough to realize the error of my ways.
Joel
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Follow Ups Full ThreadTopic - TESTS: Round-up of Windows and Mac Audio Players. - Archimago 08:15:23 06/13/13 (140)
- RE: TESTS: Round-up of Windows and Mac Audio Players. - Thorsten 23:42:41 06/14/13 (13)
- RE: TESTS: Round-up of Windows and Mac Audio Players. - Ugly 08:09:45 06/15/13 (12)
- RE: TESTS: Round-up of Windows and Mac Audio Players. - Thorsten 09:15:48 06/15/13 (11)
- RE: TESTS: Round-up of Windows and Mac Audio Players. - Ugly 11:34:52 06/15/13 (10)
- RE: TESTS: Round-up of Windows and Mac Audio Players. - Thorsten 22:54:37 06/15/13 (9)
- RE: TESTS: Round-up of Windows and Mac Audio Players. - Ugly 13:10:19 06/16/13 (8)
- RE: TESTS: Round-up of Windows and Mac Audio Players. - Thorsten 13:32:07 06/16/13 (7)
- RE: TESTS: Round-up of Windows and Mac Audio Players. - Ugly 21:33:16 06/16/13 (6)
- RE: TESTS: Round-up of Windows and Mac Audio Players. - Thorsten 21:55:31 06/16/13 (5)
- RE: TESTS: Round-up of Windows and Mac Audio Players. - Ugly 07:13:35 06/17/13 (3)
- RE: TESTS: Round-up of Windows and Mac Audio Players. - Thorsten 09:06:53 06/17/13 (0)
- RE: TESTS: Round-up of Windows and Mac Audio Players. - Tony Lauck 08:43:40 06/17/13 (1)
- RE: TESTS: Round-up of Windows and Mac Audio Players. - Thorsten 09:16:36 06/17/13 (0)
- aha! I'm with you now. Thanks for explaining. nt - Ugly 22:07:46 06/16/13 (0)
- RE: TESTS: Round-up of Windows and Mac Audio Players. - SBGK 16:42:18 06/14/13 (0)
- RE: Thanks! - Jaundiced Ear 14:19:55 06/14/13 (8)
- RE: Thanks! - Bob_C 14:50:50 06/14/13 (7)
- RE: Thanks! - Jaundiced Ear 15:19:10 06/14/13 (6)
- RE: Thanks! - Bob_C 15:30:56 06/14/13 (5)
- RE: Thanks! - Jaundiced Ear 15:48:30 06/14/13 (4)
- RE: Thanks! - Bob_C 16:21:00 06/14/13 (1)
- RE: Thanks! - Jaundiced Ear 17:07:51 06/14/13 (0)
- RE: Thanks! - Say 15:54:36 06/14/13 (1)
- RE: Thanks! - Say 16:15:19 06/14/13 (0)
- RE: TESTS: Round-up of Windows and Mac Audio Players. - Recorder 13:35:03 06/14/13 (2)
- Or, equally, those who expect to hear differences will hear differences ?? - Feanor 14:42:18 06/14/13 (1)
- RE: Or, equally, those who expect to hear differences will hear differences ?? - Recorder 06:56:09 06/15/13 (0)
- RE: TESTS: Round-up of Windows and Mac Audio Players. - Les C 11:26:41 06/14/13 (0)
- Evidence - audioengr 10:45:19 06/14/13 (3)
- RE: Evidence - Bob_C 15:42:35 06/14/13 (2)
- RE: Evidence - audioengr 18:18:43 06/14/13 (1)
- RE: Evidence - Bob_C 18:30:26 06/14/13 (0)
- I don't see where you have your audio system listed ? ? ? - bwb 09:38:18 06/14/13 (14)
- DOES IT MATTER? RE: I don't see where you have your audio system listed ? ? ? - Archimago 17:18:43 06/14/13 (12)
- It is not the money spent - - rickmcinnis@dogwoodfabrics.com 10:57:33 06/15/13 (0)
- are you kidding? .... yes, it makes all the difference in the world when talking about how something sounds - bwb 20:31:50 06/14/13 (8)
- RE: are you kidding? .... yes, it makes all the difference in the world when talking about how something sounds - SBGK 15:29:16 06/26/13 (0)
- RE: are you kidding? .... yes, it makes all the difference in the world when talking about how something sounds - Archimago 23:11:50 06/14/13 (6)
- What is your capture hardware? - Ugly 07:56:09 06/15/13 (4)
- RE: What is your capture hardware? - Archimago 08:28:48 06/16/13 (3)
- RE: What is your capture hardware? - Ugly 12:37:14 06/16/13 (1)
- RE: What is your capture hardware? - Tony Lauck 09:17:40 06/17/13 (0)
- RE: What is your capture hardware? - Tony Lauck 10:05:11 06/16/13 (0)
- I stand corrected, but still have concerns about your tests - bwb 07:49:26 06/15/13 (0)
- It only becomes an issue when you move from 'measurements', such as the are... - Ivan303 18:05:02 06/14/13 (1)
- Ears... - Archimago 18:27:41 06/14/13 (0)
- If he has - JeffH 10:18:28 06/14/13 (0)
- Great work: many thanks ... and I like it because it supports my own, subjective impressions - Feanor 07:53:09 06/14/13 (0)
- How are you measuring noise down around -120dB when the published spec of your $200 box is less than that ? - bwb 07:20:24 06/14/13 (6)
- SNR of specifications vs. noise floor of FFT - andy_c 10:06:17 06/14/13 (4)
- RE: SNR of specifications vs. noise floor of FFT - Tony Lauck 12:27:26 06/14/13 (1)
- What you have posted - fmak 23:40:57 06/14/13 (0)
- Are you saying his measurements showing noise and jitter at -150dB are valid? - bwb 11:41:24 06/14/13 (1)
- RE: Are you saying his measurements showing noise and jitter at -150dB are valid? - andy_c 13:25:09 06/14/13 (0)
- well, - fmak 08:53:17 06/14/13 (0)
- RE: TESTS: Round-up of Windows and Mac Audio Players. - soundchekk 00:33:46 06/14/13 (10)
- Exceptions - audioengr 10:58:53 06/14/13 (1)
- This belief seems to go both ways here.... - Ugly 07:35:34 06/15/13 (0)
- "What's missing is to figure out why players sound different on thousands of installations out there." - Feanor 07:48:07 06/14/13 (4)
- RE: "What's missing is to figure out why players sound different on thousands of installations out there." - rick_m 11:40:03 06/14/13 (2)
- Up for a DBT? - Feanor 17:22:39 06/14/13 (1)
- RE: Up for a DBT? - rick_m 18:42:22 06/14/13 (0)
- RE: "What's missing is to figure out why players sound different on thousands of installations out there." - Presto 09:51:53 06/14/13 (0)
- RE: TESTS: Round-up of Windows and Mac Audio Players. - mls-stl 05:56:13 06/14/13 (2)
- Not only that - JeffH 08:35:27 06/14/13 (1)
- RE: Not only that - Bob_C 15:14:54 06/14/13 (0)
- RE: TESTS: Round-up of Windows and Mac Audio Players. - Ugly 22:01:03 06/13/13 (2)
- RE: TESTS: Round-up of Windows and Mac Audio Players. - Tony Lauck 11:53:09 06/14/13 (1)
- RE: TESTS: Round-up of Windows and Mac Audio Players. - Ugly 15:28:49 06/15/13 (0)
- indistinguishable - Tony Lauck 17:29:31 06/13/13 (27)
- RE: indistinguishable - Scrith 10:08:49 06/14/13 (0)
- RE: indistinguishable - mls-stl 19:36:30 06/13/13 (25)
- Really? Is it enough to share your beliefs.to be considered a "genuinely good guy"? - carcass93 11:15:36 06/19/13 (1)
- RE: Really? Is it enough to share your beliefs.to be considered a "genuinely good guy"? - Ugly 08:54:19 06/23/13 (0)
- RE: indistinguishable - Tony Lauck 07:15:42 06/14/13 (3)
- " This isn't kindergarten." - mls-stl 10:48:24 06/14/13 (1)
- I thought you left earlier today ? - bwb 11:23:52 06/14/13 (0)
- RE: indistinguishable - Mercman 07:24:15 06/14/13 (0)
- RE: indistinguishable-The Opinion is - fmak 22:03:39 06/13/13 (18)
- You miss the point... - mls-stl 05:43:42 06/14/13 (17)
- RE: You miss the point...No, I made a point - fmak 05:53:58 06/14/13 (16)
- What would you suggest would be less nasty? - Ugly 07:22:10 06/15/13 (0)
- RE: You miss the point...No, I made a point - Archimago 17:32:23 06/14/13 (1)
- RE: You miss the point...No, I made a point - Bob_C 21:13:33 06/14/13 (0)
- RE: You miss the point...No, I made a point - Bob_C 15:20:45 06/14/13 (0)
- that last sentence was an excellent summation - Joe Murphy Jr 07:18:38 06/14/13 (0)
- RE: You miss the point...No, I made a point - Mercman 07:16:46 06/14/13 (3)
- May I add - fmak 02:11:35 06/15/13 (2)
- RE: May I add - Les C 04:49:15 06/15/13 (1)
- RE: May I add - Les C 04:53:06 06/15/13 (0)
- Sigh.... - mls-stl 05:58:12 06/14/13 (6)
- RE: Sigh.... - rick_m 09:22:38 06/14/13 (5)
- agree that his measurements are indeed measurements... - fmak 02:13:29 06/15/13 (2)
- RE: agree that his measurements are indeed measurements... - rick_m 07:00:02 06/15/13 (1)
- RE: agree that his measurements are indeed measurements... - Tony Lauck 11:07:43 06/15/13 (0)
- yes they are measurements and nothing wrong with measurements in general if properly analyzed. but - bwb 09:45:29 06/14/13 (1)
- RE: yes they are measurements and nothing wrong with measurements in general if properly analyzed. but - Bob_C 15:25:28 06/14/13 (0)
- RE: TESTS: Round-up of Windows and Mac Audio Players. - Say 17:07:16 06/13/13 (0)
- RE: TESTS: Round-up of Windows and Mac Audio Players. - Mercman 10:59:29 06/13/13 (25)
- RE: TESTS: Round-up of Windows and Mac Audio Players. - Bob_C 12:35:23 06/13/13 (0)
- RE: TESTS: Round-up of Windows and Mac Audio Players. - Archimago 12:02:03 06/13/13 (23)
- RE: TESTS: Round-up of Windows and Mac Audio Players. - Mercman 12:19:56 06/13/13 (22)
- Julian loved his measurements - bwb 13:08:08 06/13/13 (21)
- "If you're looking for a"... - E-Stat 20:19:36 06/13/13 (0)
- RE: Julian loved his measurements - Mercman 13:31:11 06/13/13 (19)
- RE: Julian loved his measurements - theob 08:46:43 06/14/13 (0)
- My favorite was - E-Stat 20:31:23 06/13/13 (0)
- RE: Julian loved his measurements - rick_m 16:54:12 06/13/13 (9)
- But them were the days - Tony Lauck 17:54:46 06/13/13 (0)
- RE: Julian loved his measurements - Mercman 17:25:41 06/13/13 (7)
- RE: Julian loved his measurements - theob 08:53:57 06/14/13 (0)
- RE: Julian loved his measurements - Bob_C 21:29:27 06/13/13 (3)
- RE: Julian loved his measurements - John Swenson 16:15:34 06/21/13 (1)
- RE: Julian loved his measurements - Bob_C 10:16:04 06/22/13 (0)
- RE: Julian loved his measurements - Mercman 00:26:09 06/14/13 (0)
- RE: Julian loved his measurements - rick_m 20:01:17 06/13/13 (1)
- It was simply - fmak 00:25:51 06/14/13 (0)
- RE: Julian loved his measurements - DrChaos 14:59:00 06/13/13 (1)
- there was a battle to get ever lower and lower distortion, particularly as I recal Total Harmonic distortion - bwb 16:10:30 06/13/13 (0)
- you need to qualify that last statement - bwb 13:56:48 06/13/13 (4)
- RE: you need to qualify that last statement - joelha 14:15:28 06/13/13 (3)
- But, what does "bitperfect is bitperfect" **MEAN**?? - Presto 15:10:49 06/13/13 (2)
- RE: But, what does "bitperfect is bitperfect" **MEAN**?? - Tony Lauck 17:49:11 06/13/13 (0)
- RE: But, what does "bitperfect is bitperfect" **MEAN**?? - joelha 16:23:18 06/13/13 (0)
- Erroneous conclusions from a poor sampling -t - Sordidman 10:09:31 06/13/13 (13)
- Since - fmak 10:48:22 06/13/13 (12)
- the results are not known before the results - DrChaos 12:53:17 06/13/13 (6)
- high end gear downstream, (where differences really show), - Sordidman 13:31:18 06/13/13 (5)
- RE: high end gear downstream, (where differences really show), - DrChaos 14:58:09 06/13/13 (4)
- Well, - in my experience, that is rarely the case.... - Sordidman 15:35:40 06/13/13 (0)
- RE: high end gear downstream, (where differences really show), - Presto 15:34:41 06/13/13 (2)
- RE: high end gear downstream, (where differences really show), - Mercman 15:49:51 06/13/13 (1)
- Not even high end gear - fmak 00:27:45 06/14/13 (0)
- Good point, but then, the next question: why blog? -t - Sordidman 10:56:28 06/13/13 (4)
- RE: Good point, but then, the next question: why blog? -t - Archimago 11:59:16 06/13/13 (3)
- Yes, good if you're having fun & enjoying yourself - Sordidman 13:29:51 06/13/13 (0)
- BTW... Software bug... - Archimago 12:05:15 06/13/13 (1)
- RE: BTW... Software bug...who owns and - fmak 05:59:13 06/14/13 (0)
- I've been testing some players recently too... - Presto 09:49:31 06/13/13 (1)
- RE: I've been testing some players recently too... - Archimago 12:07:41 06/13/13 (0)
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- RE: But, what does "bitperfect is bitperfect" **MEAN**?? - joelha 16:23:18 06/13/13 (0)
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