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In Reply to: RE: Toothpicks and cherry Lifesavers posted by unclestu52 on July 1, 2007 at 03:01:54:
>>> "I suggest a brushing up on physics basics. Electron flow and magnetism are inextricably bound together." <<<
I KNOW about electron flow and magnetism being inextricably bound together !!!
However, I think we may share some common ground. You list very many things which you can hear 'affect' the sound. I am sure you can double that list, even treble or more - as can I.
At least you are not moving in the world of "it must be suggestion, the placebo effect, imagination, mood changes, audio faith healing, effective marketing". At least when I say that this affects sound, and that, and that, and that, you do not 'throw a wobbly'.
Where I part company with you is that you believe that many of the things you list are changing the 'sound' because many of them affect the 'acoustics' - however small the object !!
I have a problem in replying fully because as a manufacturer 'posting' on the Audio Asylum sites I am not allowed to advertise our products - I am only allowed to answer questions or reply to comments.
You will also be aware of the numerous things which can have an ADVERSE effect on the sound but again, your belief will be that they are, to a great extent, having an adverse effect because of an 'acoustic effect'.
From over 25 years of extensive experiments I have to challenge that belief.
If you, for example, find that placing the "magic brick" on top of (say) an amplifier, over the transformer area, gives an improvement in the sound because it is dealing with (stray) magnetism, then if you remove the "magic brick" you will (obviously) reintroduce the adverse effect and the sound will be worse. Now, if you apply (say) a small amount of our Cream-Electret on the equipment case, in exactly the same position where the "magic brick" had been or, in the case of 'thetubeguy's' amplifier which has no case, directly onto the transformer, back will come the good sound !!!! Not by any stretch of the imagination could our Cream be 'adding any weight' nor could it be 'dealing with stray magnetism' but it will have restored the good sound !!!! So, there has to be another explanation !!!
This beneficial effect I describe, which so many people have experienced, will take place if the same Cream is applied in exactly the same position on the identical but PASSIVE amplifier - just sitting passively on a shelf !!! Again, not by any stretch of the imagination could 'treating' the PASSIVE amplifier with a tiny amount of Cream possibly have any effect on the 'acoustics'. So, there has to be another explanation.!!
>>> "As far as actually placing the brick on a shelf, several other manufacturers, (Enacom, Argent, Roomtunes, Shakti, Shun Mook) have effectively demonstrated that placement of anything within the room can have an effect on the reflected acoustic wave, however small." <<<
Yes, I would agree entirely with the fact that these things will 'affect' the sound but I disagree that the effect is an 'acoustic' one. Let me try to explain further.
One problem with (such as) our Cream is that once it is applied that is that - it has done it's job, it cannot be removed. So, particularly with the Cream, you are not able to do before, after and back to before experiments. Over 20 years ago whilst struggling to find a way to demonstrate the effect of our Cream with before, after and back to before demonstrations we discovered that colours are important. Change the colour, you change the sound.
So, going back to such things as Roomtunes. In no way do I challenge that Roomtunes can give a perceived improvement in the sound but your belief would be that this is because it is ONLY 'dealing' with acoustics. But, if you have exactly same Roomtune in exactly the same position in the room, made of exactly the same material but you change the COLOUR of that same material, you will change the sound !!! If you DO do this experiment and find that the sound changes when the only thing you have changed is the colour, would you actually claim that it is the acoustics which has been changed ?
Going back again to the effect of the "magic brick" and, (incidentally) the Shakti Stone (both are claimed to have an effect on the audio signal when positioned on top of equipment therefore improving the sound).
If you remove the "magic brick" or the "Shakti Stone" back will come the adverse effect on the sound - i.e the sound will be perceived as 'worse'. Instead of replacing either the "magic brick" or the Shakti Stone, write yourself a beneficial message and stick it onto the equipment in exactly the same place where the "magic brick" or the Shakti Stone had been. Back will come the 'good' sound. Not by any stretch of the imagination can the effect of a 'beneficial message' be because of it's 'weight', or because it is dealing with magnetism, or because it is doing something with the 'acoustics' !!! So, there has to be another explanation !!!
I would suggest you read of Dave and Carol Clark's experiences trying the 'beneficial message' technique. I included an extract from their article in my recent article in positive feedback online i.e "Myth, Mirth or Magic? - The Peter Belt 'Snake Oil' Fallacy." You can do your own experiments just as Carol Clark did, you don't need OUR devices to carry out your own initial experiments.
Now to the subject of such as Styrofoam.
>>> "Styrofoam has high amounts of static, check out those 'peanuts' your shippers use. Foam, which I wrote, can be fabricated from many different materials with various properties." <<<
Yes, such as Styrofoam has high amounts of static and yes, the presence of Styrofoam in the listening environment has an adverse effect on the sound - but again, the effect on the 'sound' has nothing whatsoever to do with static or to do with acoustics !!
Again, do a similar experiment as described previously. Leave exactly the same piece of Styrofoam in exactly the same position in the room (obviously still having it's adverse effect on the sound) 'P.W.B treat' it and you will reduce it's adverse effect considerably so much so that the sound will be perceived as 'much better' - WITH THE PIECE OF STYROFOAM STILL IN POSITION.
The Styrofoam and so many other man made materials are made of different mixtures of chemicals - chemicals which we (human beings) react adversely to. To name but a few.
Polystyrene, bextrene, P.V.C, polythene, polyethylene, polyurethane, polypropylene, polyalkene, P.T.F.E, Teflon, acrylic, nylon, perspex, BAF, all manner of adhesives, paints, lacquers and so on - the list is endless !!!
To quote you again 'stu'.
>>> "In general, natural substances work better acoustically than synthetics, Maybe its because they are generally neutral electrically, but also because they have a certain amount of 'randomness'." <<<
You use the word 'maybe'. Do I detect a 'chink' ? Do I detect an uncertainty ? Do I detect that you are not REALLY certain why natural substances work better, that you are not REALLY certain why synthetics are not good ? When faced with all these questions why do you think Peter and I have done so many experiments, over so many years - surely to TRY to find out why !!!
>>> "The one thing I will say in parting is that the human body's sensitivity is quite astonishing, although not every one shares that sensitivity." <<<
You can say that again, and again, and again. The more you say it, the more you might be prepared to investigate it more thoroughly.
You are already so far along the path 'stu', you are already aware of so many things which can 'affect the sound' - which others are not !!
With your latest description. If you had been listening to music at the same time as the friend was doing his demonstration of Chi, the 'sound' would have been changing !! NOT because the acoustics had been changing but because YOU had been changing !!! I have explained in earlier 'postings' how even telling (or thinking) a lie will spoil the 'sound' for everyone who is listening in the room.
It is really refreshing to see someone (join the club) saying :-
>>> "Interesting and because the human organism has many varied responses, sensitivities, and variations, it would behoove all of us to look at things in a different light. There may be many alternate explanations than having to resort to mysticism, even though meaningful measurements may be difficult to obtain." <<<
We DON'T have to resort to mysticism we just have to study the human being more !!!
Regards,
May Belt.
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Follow Ups
- RE: Toothpicks and cherry Lifesavers - May Belt 04:50:32 07/01/07 (1)
- a few comments (long) - unclestu52 11:40:49 07/01/07 (0)
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