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For the Second time in less than a month another Inmate has posted here using My "Username". The first occurance was 8-13-02 and the second was 9-6-02. What would you do and how would you feel if this happened to you???
The person who posted under my Username is: Big Dave
The first time this happened, I used the "Inmate Comments" feature forwarding the message and adding my comments to this post. I asked to be notified as to what action/s would be taken concerning this matter since this is a clear violation of the POSTING RULES AT THE ASYLUM. I waited and waited but recieved no response except for the "automatic" response which is always sent by AA. I was disappointed in not being notified but decided it best to lay the matter to rest.When this happened for the second time last Friday, I again notified AA and strongly requested a response as to how this would be dealt with. AGAIN, I have received Nothing to date, except an "automatic response".I really would have preferred Not to have to make this matter public on the Forum. However, since this has happened twice with NO response from AA, I felt that this had to be dealt with.
While I think that a person clearly violating AA rules is a serious matter, I would have been agreeable to let the AA "powers that be" handle this matter. Since they appear Not to have addressed this matter, I decided to make this public and to inlist your opinions on what you think should be done to this individual. Also, I would like to know how you would react to this situation if it happened to you.
The apparent indifference and lack of action on the part of AA is more disappointing to me than the Clear Violation by"" Big Dave"" of the POSTING RULES AT THE ASYLUM. There is an extensive list of POSTING RULES AT THE ASYLUM, but only a very small section devoted to consequences of violating these rules.
The section on "Cool It/Banning Policy" is quite brief. There is No explaination as to how "Comments" are handled, who decides what actions should be taken,or when ations will take effect. Basically, I have to wonder about a system which lists many rules but offers little if any INPUT or Notice for those affected by rules violation.
What is the purpose for having an extensive set of Posting Rules, if we have no right to a clear explaination of the consequences of Rule Violation???.......What is the purpose of having a "Comments" section if we have no guarantee of a response other than an automatic one???
I couldn't help but wonder how certain "well known members" would have reacted had this happened to them. Also, I couldn't help but wonder how quickly this would have been dealt with if these same people had been affected.
Now, in the grand scheme of Life is this really that important? After all this is just an Audio Asylum, right ? Well, perhaps it is not a life threatening occurance and this is just a hobby forum. However, if you are going to operate on the premise that we must abide by specific Posting Rules, then I say these rules must be followed and we All have a right to have our comments heard, acted upon in a TIMELY FASHION as well as to be notified of any consequences to violations of rules when these violations involve us.
I also want to make it clear that I have had No contact with this individul since the first incident and I have no vendetta against him.The only time I have submitted "comments" are in these 2 situations.I also believe that this forum should not be heavily involved with punitive actions. However, when a person knowingly and willfully violates the rules, there should be consequences. There should also be a system in place that identifies consequences for violations and a system that provides for specific and substantive notification of all parties involved. Thank you.
NOW LET'S HEAR WHAT YOU THINK.......
MEP
Follow Ups:
Such ranting and raving I haven't seen for ages. The most apparent factor is Mr. MEP is far more interested in receiving more of the attention we so graciously giving him than in having a stimulating audio dialog. He's probably angry that "his" thread was moved away from the "front pages."I am a former Psychiatric Technician who has seen this type of irrational beyhavior many times before - both on real psychiatric wards and here at the asylum. Usually, it took an injection of Thorazine to bring the inmate/patient back to the real world, but that is not possible here. Perhaps the Doc could prescribe a nice long listening session as therapy - works for me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I have no clue what I will be accused of for not toeing the line Mr. MEP has drawn!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Dave van Harn
I wish I knew how many more to expect so I could plan accordingly. At least you apparently had the gonads to use your name unlike many of your compatriots.Listen Dave, if I wanted anttention I would not be posting on this deserted outpost. Nobody visits this place anyway probably because it is hidden. So, you can cross off the Attention disorder diagnosis.
Frankly I doubt you have any Psychological background unless it was as someone confined to an asylum, not this one :-) Technician? Did you administer Electro Shock or have it applied? Actually I have an undergrad degree in Developmental Psychology but then why would you care when you people judge and prosecute with no due process. You do what suits your fancy based on "attitude". Well, I won't win Miss Congeniality because I have dropped out of the contest. Unless a judge restores my title...
Hey, I have had my fill of this place but as long as you purveyors of uneven justice keep posting, I will stick around. Does that give you any bright ideas? Think about it and Happy Shocking.
I have only drawn a line in the sand, that doesn't really count.
MEP
Actually, to reply to your original question:What would you do if another Inmate posted TWICE using your Username ???
I would e-mail the webmaster off-line and try to figure out what was going on.
I wouldn't start a public whining thread.
Simple, plain answers.
And yes, Mr. MEP, I really was a trained Psychiatric Technician, and your style of interaction brings back some interesting memories. I'm not implying that you should be institutionalized, or even see a psychiatrist, just that your behavior is predictable after you first reveal yourself.
Rather amusing, me thinks.
Dave
Apparently you have not read this entire thread, and who could blame one for that, but I explained early on that I originally responded by using the "comment" feature along with the original posting under my name. This was sent on 8-14-02. I received no response from AA save for the "automatic" response. Btw, I would be glad to mail it to you for your perusal. I just reread it and it is about as polite and non-threatening as you can get.Now, does this meet your definition of "off-line" mailing? I'm not sure what you mean. Rod did say he had seen the recent "comment" and felt it unimportant, or words to that effect. Something like it was not important in the great scope of things..not an exact quote. So, since he did read it I am not sure what good some alternate type of mailing might have done.
If you would care to read all my postings and exchange thoughts via email, I don't think you would consider it whining. I also stated that I had let the matter rest after the first incident. Only after the second incident and again NO response did I write again and with more fervor. You could put yourself in my position and imagaine the frustration of reporting something for the second time and still getting no response. Then, after posting my message which I tried to word carefully, I receive nothing but abuse and condemnation. I also stated more than once that this was Not an attack on AA. As I said in one of my postings, I was actually trying to be disrete about the whole matter, thereby avoiding any adverse reaction. I thought it best for AA to deal with the matter rather than drag this thru the public domain. Again, if you read the comments of your brethren, they thought it not worthy, primarily because of my attitude and "tone".
I ask you, how would you have felt? I thought I was yielding to the discretion of the powers that be and acting in good faith. Instead I ended up being attacked.If even 1 person had taken less than 5 minutes to respond that the matter was being reviewed, that would have been satisfactory to me. As you can see, for my discretion I got nothing but abuse. So, again, I ask you what you would have done, not as a Bored member but as me? I felt strongly, and still do, that this was a clear and intentional violation of a major Posting Rule. I can see from what has been written that this is Not important to the Board. I feel this is wrong and I will always feel it is wrong. I also feel that it was Not a technical issue as some have suggested.You know so many are willing to give their 2 cents now but were unwilling to do so when it was requested and when this matter could have been kept totally private.
So Dave,as you can see I didn't "start with a public whining thread" and yes, all I wanted was "simple,plain answers". I hope this clarifies my position and helps you to better understand my actions and feelings in this matter. If you have any further questions please feel free to email me. I am done discussing this matter here. Thank you and I appreciate you civility. At least you seem to have some sense of compassion as opposed to... You fill in the blanks :-)
MEP
I'm curious about your reaction to Rod's noting that he gets hundreds of emails a day. Does that help any? It is a load, isn't it?
Yeah, and I forgot to mention that I do have a software company to run. The Asylum is only a part time deal and all of the mods are volunteers. It's not like there's some big paid staff here to provide support.
Rod, are you the only person designated to respond to "comments"? Boared Members Never respond to inquiries on their own? You can see the lengths some of these Board members went to in order to research my postings which in total, would be a considerable amount of time. If only 1 of them had taken a few minutes to respond, even telling me there was no validity, my inquiry would have been satisfied. Not to mention the amount of time they spent here trying to discredit me and bolster their own position. There is no logic to any of it.I am sure you are very busy and as I said earlier, I never even considered any of this to be your responsibility. As the flaming posts containing personal insults, accusations, admonishments for not being a Contributor, etc. unfolded it was clear what the real problem was.
If you send an email to any business or organization, you naturally expect some type of response besides an "automatic" one. If you don't receive one it is bound to affect your opinion and patronization of that organization. It is bad business not to respond. If they don't have the funds or inclination to respond then just drop the ability to respond, "comments" section that is. The way it is now it is just a popularity or financial contest as to whether you receive a response.
MEP
Amazing! Someone allegedly posts two messages under a "look-alike" user name, and MEP14 has (so far) posted NINE lengthy messages complaining that The Bored has refused to DO SOMETHING about this awful assault on his self-importance ... in addition to sending threatening private messages to Bored members.Let's review the facts:
1) The two messages in question were, respectively, four words and 15 words long. (See links provided by RodM, below.) Neither was libelous,
inflammatory ... or even very interesting.2) "MEP14" has himself posted messages under at least four names: MEP,
MEP14, Mike and Pem. There may be others.3) Many of MEP's messages contain flames and derogatory remarks. See his exchanges with John Marks, in particular.
4) MEP is not a financial contributor to this forum, yet feels perfectly justified in DEMANDING that Bored members drop everything to deal with his petty complaints. When they don't, he insults and berates them.
I think it's pretty clear by now: this guy is a loser, who posts here only to stir up trouble. Now he's threatening to go away.
Two words: Please Do!
These are 6 names that I find posts for under your IP address currently listed on the Front page in Just the General Asylum & Amp/Preamp Asylum. Mind you I did this very quickly and only checked 2 Asylums. What kind of sick game are you playing Cut-Throat, Response 34, etc., etc. ? Huh ?What kind of Hypocrite are you accusing me of using multiple names when it appears you may be using DOZENS of name? Yes, that is right, I did the same thing Cut-Throat et al did and found a veritible plethora of name listed under his IP address. Here are just a few of the Highlights:
Cut-Throat
tuneman
Response 34
Brian Cheney
Sane:De Kay
De Kay
phoenixaudionut
Anthony Machado
Chris Garrett( yes, thats what it shows)
Analog Scott
J10Scull(look for yourself)
hifitommy
Chazmo
Justin Guarini
fishmatisse 214
RAYDOG
Now, mind you, I was only about 1/5 of the way thru the list and I had already found 50 different names under that IP address. It is hard to believe some of the names but you can check easily for yourself to verify the list.Type in [ 152.163.188.5 ] in "Search", then type the same number in "Modify Search", click on "All Forums" and hit "Go". You will be amazed at the list, 971 records in all for that IP address.
Now, I don't know how he is doing all this or if he may be posting under their names somehow but the list is there for All to see. I will find out how you are doing this and what this is really all about. I guarantee you I will get to the bottom of this.
If "you play with fire, you get burned"
Now, I have never seen a bigger case of Hypocrisy in my life. Can you imagine this snake in the grass questioning my integrity when he is about as deceitful as is possible to be.Btw, you can follow the same prodedure for me. You will find a total of 105 posts, 102 of them under MEP, 2 under MIKE and 1 under Pem. Mike is my real name and MEP are my initials. So, who is being deceitful here, you tell me.
As for the rest of your accusations, you no longer have a shred of credibility so I won't even respond.
MEP
Your ignorance of how the internet works is even greater than your ignorance of audio technology, if such a thing is possible.Large ISPs like AOL and Earthlink assign servers on a "dynamic" or "as needed" basis. The fact that various messages came from the same IP address tells you NOTHING about who sent them. Truth is you DON'T KNOW who sent any message, including the first two you've been carping about. RodM tried to explain this, but of course you paid no attention.
At this point you've spent close to a full day of your life posting lengthy hysterical rants about two tiny messages that didn't even attack you or threaten you in any way. Anyone who bothers to read your various postings, including this latest batch, will come to the conclusion that you are ignorant, arrogant, rude, misinformed, self-centered and boring. You apparently have nothing better to do than to attack distinguished audio reviewers like John Marks, while contributing nothing of value or interest yourself.
Here's the scoop in in a nutshell, Mikey. Nobody on this board likes you, respects you, or gives a rat's ass about your petty problems. You are a pathectic, delusional little troll --probably a pimply 16-year-old with nothing to do but stir up trouble between bouts of whacking off.
GO AWAY!!!!
If you are so adamant about what you say then use your name. I know it is easier to insult and denigrate someone when remaining anomymous but don't be such a coward.
I have never seen a group of supposedly professional people who act so unprofessional, hiding behind contrived names, hurling insults and making condescending remarks. You don't know everything, in fact you don't even know how to act civil.It is no wonder more industry professionals don't care to participate in AA with the likes of you around. Think about it, would you want to have anything to do with a Board & organization that goes out of its way to insult members? You are a laughingstock amongst many industry professionals,that is, the people who run this place, not the members as such. Unfortunately, you can't have one without the other.
You are wrong in asserting that IP numbers have no validity. Some of what you claim may be true but you are overstating the case about this and it is foolish to assert that IP numbers are in effect meaningless.They can reveal a great deal. Anyone who knows the first thing about the internet would say you are groundless.
As for the personal remarks, think what you want. I am saving the posts from you and Bored members and we will see who has the last laugh. If you had any guts you would not hide behind an anonymous name
Btw, I type fast and have only spent a minimum amount of time on this. You and the other members on the other hand, have spent a considerable amount of collective time trying to discredit me much to your ultimate shame when you are exposed. I know plenty of people in the industry and they will be glad to view your Rantings.
If you had an ounce of sense you would have left this alone or at least made a token attempt to reconcile the matter. Instead, you who had no time or inclination, have spent a great deal of time trying to besmirch my integrity and reputation while only succeeding in tarnishing your already sullied reputation. This will only come back to haunt you. Your behavior is disgraceful
There, that took about 5 minutes,hows about them apples ?
MEP
HowdyAOL IP addresses change very fast, perhaps every login. My work IP address changes pretty slowly. My home IP address changes at random. Check my posts to see my various addresses and how fast they turn over.
There are a lot of posters whose IP addresses are quite static. And others who "share" IP addresses quite a bit.
As others have said, you've been rude, ignorant and belligerent. You complain about people violating the spirit of the rules and you violate the letter of the rules. You don't have a leg to stand on. I think it's a testament to the tolerance of the bored that you aren't banned. (Remember this isn't a public BBS, it's privately owned and none of us have any "rights" at all.)
-Ted
The truth is this whole thing spun out of control when the Bored members started posting foul, crude and insulting messages. I have 2 legs to stand on and they are both firmly planted on the ground. Ted, you are one of the Good Ole Boys so your opinion does not carry any weight with me.As far as IP addresses changing that is probably true to some extent, but it doesn't explain some of the postings here and it doesn't explain why certain Boared Members have to make flaming, insulting posts under assumed identities. Btw, I know who made some of them, regardless what you say about IP addresses. I am no fool nor are others here.
This started out having nothing to do with dynamic assigning of addresses but on principle. There was an obvious Rules violation, which I discretely inquired about in order to avoid discord. That was ignored. It happened and again it was deemed "unimportant". The truth is this place has no real rules except those which the Bored deems important enough to them to act upon. That changes with their mood and it obviously depends on their whimsy.They do what they want, when they want, with no accountability to anyone. They just hide behind their anyonymity when it suits them. That is a sad way to run this Forum or to run anything.
As far as them allowing me to stay, I could care less what they do. Numerous Bored members have made anonymous postings flaming and insulting me. So, I can assume they are just waiting and trying to goad me into some drastic action or language to take some final action. I say, do as you will, I don't care.
I am an honest, sincere person who treats others with respect.If you knew me as several decent unpretentious members here do,you would not resort to judging me when you don't even know me. I don't like pedantic, condescending persons who are quite numerous here. I have made my feelings known about that here. Your really have no right to treat others in this fashion. You are a classic example of that type of person. I have seen you and this small core of Regulars continually talk down to persons who just want an answer to a question. I have seen you drive off people by your cursory words. That is the type of place the AA is and you are the type of person who makes it unpleasant.
If people play along with your unwritten rules and kiss your butt, then all is fine. All you have here really is a small core of pedantic egotists who want things done their way only. Well, enjoy your little club, because that is how you treat it, as your personal playground. If it fullfils your life to persist in this manner, then God speed. This place will always be the same with NO growth or development as long as you and this small core of people hold sway.All it amounts to is a Popularity contest, with No regard to the actual rules. This has been proven to me especially this week.
As far as being "rude", you are the eptiome of rudeness. You regularly answer people with crude and condescending remarks, making them feel Totally Unwelcome. Is it any wonder that so few new people actively join in the discussions? No, it is not with your behavior. I don't know where you get off acting with this air of superiority, but it is Very unbecoming.
You can have your playground, I want no part of it. Life is too short to waste valuable time amongst egotists who make rules up as they go along and ignore the posted rules because they don't like someone's personality or attitude. I know this is your life which is sad but if it is that important to you, you can have it all to yourself.
MEP
HowdyYou have indeed been both polite to me and rude to me. You were quite polite and friendly ( http://www.audioasylum.com/audio/general/messages/219053.html ) until I asked an innocent question regarding one of your posts ( http://www.audioasylum.com/audio/general/messages/220906.html ). Apparently you assumed that I was being condescending or sarcastic. I guess that I had stepped into a feud between you and jj. (I'm not so good at picking up sarcasm).
I take a lot of care to try to be helpful. In fact many will note that I was trying to explain something that you may or may not have known about IP addresses. Your other posts in this thread indicated that you may have had a misunderstanding about what you really could infer from an IP search here at the asylum.
You claim that I "regularly answer people with crude and condescending remarks". I'm frankly at a loss to understand which of my posts (even the ones I regret posting) have been crude. I suspect that you are not really talking about me but are instead expressing your view of anyone who questions you.
I do draw the line with posts from people who are clearly being disingenuous, who are trolling, or are being outright rude, etc. I have at times been more rude in return than I intended, for example my last post to Todd. I hope these are the exception rather than the rule.
-Ted
Those are all AOL accounts which use a dynamically assigned IP address.Tom §.
So you say. I don't think that explains all those names appearing under the same address. And, it doesn't explain the 6 names I mentioned in the Subject. "Trollwhacker is one and the same with at least one of those persons. He was obviously concealing his identity for fear of being identified. That is something I don't do.You can't explain away this with a flip answer like that, we are not all as ignorant as you think. For a Bored member you have a foul mouth. Do you eat with that thing too?
You can continue to try to discredit me because you have nothing left to do. My intent was to find out information, not discredit the Audio Asylum. If you want to continue to make it appear that I am doing that then go ahead. All you are doing is showing how indiscrete and underhanded you are, not to mention unprofessional. You shouldn't be on the Board of the local Dogpound. There are some very suspicious and clandestine things going on in the bowels here. Anyone can see what you are up to.
All my activity has been above-board here, you cannot say the same.
MEP
The content of this person's messages has no bearing on the fact that he clearly violated the posting rules. As for me posting under different names that is pure hogwash. There are other names that come up when you begin to enter under "moniker" as is the case for all people. These are names that are cached on my computer as they are for all people. My name is Mike, so what is wrong with posting under Mike? My initials are MEP, hence my Moniker, MEP...so fricking what. I have never atttempted to deceive anyone when posting under my nameYour buddy, or so it appears, clearly posted under my Moniker, apparently hacking into my info. This was Not a look-alike name, it was my Username.
As for John Marks, he is a pendantic, caustic, egotist who writes condesending remarks about fellow member. This has No place here and should not be tolerated. If you agree with his style then the same goes for you.
If you had any balls, you would use your Regular Username rather than posing under this contrived username to hide your Real identity. Who is being deceitful now, huh ?
You can attempt to try to discredit me all you like, you only serve to show how pathetic and baseless you are.
You can take any Username and find posts that could be construed as contrary or inflamatory.People express their opinions, and sometimes they are passionate about a topic. So what? I would love to see all of your posts.
As for the Bored, which you probably are a part of, I have only pointed out their inconsistencies which are here for all to see. I will note your IP address too. Two can play at your game. If you post under this this address again, I will be glad to point it out to all.
You only show your ignorance by beating this "Contributor" idea again and again. This is supposed to be an Audio Asylum for all people, not just contributors. Do you realize how foolish you sound by espousing this point? Why don't you have AA open to just "Contributors" if that is the only criteria for being treated fairly? Only a weasel would post such pure blather under an anymous name.
You are only hurting your image by such actions. Name-calling is so easy when you are afraid to show your real identity. That is something I don't do. You are a Coward.
MEP
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"Honey, that's the same amp we have always had, I swear!!"
as in "trolling."The Asylum has a "protect moniker" feature with registration that prevents what you're complaining about from happening. I just tried to post under your user name and -- guess what?? -- you've got your moniker protected.
Soo, either Big Dave is pretty slick with code and has hacked into your user file to discover your password;
or, you failed to mention that you have now activated "protect moniker," which solves the problem you are complaining about
or it never ha . . . well, whatever.
Give the man a ticket on the next bus to Whiners Woad, please!
TRolling My ASS. Only you could see something suspicious, but then that does not surprise me. The 2 instances can be clearly seen with a minumum of effort. They could be clearly seen by the Moderators, or whoever supposedly checks these things when I brought it too their attention. I made my "comment" both times while these posts were on the first page of the forum and could be clearly verified.All you have to do is look at the IP address. Go back to 8-13-02 and look at his post. He admits in the post that he is using my Username and states how easy it is to post under another's Username. Did he hack in? I don't know, why don't you ask him ??? Now, Bruce, you who is Always referring others to the archives, you do know how to check this don't you??? Check your facts, Bruce, before you make accusations.
As far as I know, my Username has always been protected, that is, I don't remember doing anything specific after I originally registered. Again, why would you dwell on whether I protected it or not? The fact that he knowingly and intentionally posted twice under my Username is what is important. It is a clear violation of the rules...period.
What you are saying is it would be my falult if I were robbed because I did not install iron bars on all my windows and the robber gained entry by breaking through a window??? That is a twisted sense of logic.
As I clearly stated in the text all I wanted was a response to my comments. This is a very reasonable expectation given the circumstances. Had I received a response, I would not have posted anything concerning this matter.
Bruce, why do you appear to be taking this so personally and why are you so defensive??? I wanted an explaination to a matter that was serious to me and is a clear violation of the rules.
Tell me Bruce, what would you have done? Knowing your nature I can just imagaine you passing it off like it was nothing.
This smacks of another situation where if someone says something you don't like, it is a "troll". I am not attacking AA, I merely want an explaination to my inquiry, which as I noted, I have not recived. If anyone is "Whining" here, I say it is you.
All I did is clearly state the facts as they occured. Since it appears that I am not entitled to an explaination, I wanted to know how others would react to the same thing happening to them.That seems reasonable to me. Tell us Bruce, a Board Member, what would you have done?
MEP
Perfect example of someone who gets MAD when somebody buys Bose speakers. :0
[see thread below]
"Honey, that's the same amp we have always had, I swear!!"
Hmmm, if this is not about hi-fi, then it's serious!George
IMHO, your question, then, is a technical one -- why doesn't "protect moniker" protect you from Big Dave? I don't know the anwer; I'm not a computer guy.But there are any number of places to have continued this inquiry that would be more appropriate than General Asylum.
Such as
*an e-mail to the webmaster (since it is technical)
*a post on the support forum
You might keep in mind that all of the people who run this site have "day jobs" and so they can't respond instantly or immediately to a problem.
or so it seems.YOU brought up the question of "Protect Moniker", not me. As I stated it has always been checked as far as I know(and still is). So, if this is a technical question and you want an answer, then please check this out and kindly inform us.I did not make this post as a "technical question", that is your assessment of it. IT IS NOT A TECHNICAL QUESTION. As far as I am concerned this is a question of why an obvious Rule Violation is allowed and why one Cannot receive a reasonable respose within a reasonable time period !!! How many times should I mention that I first brought this to whomever's attention on August 13,2002 ? There should be some system in writing as to how "comments" are to be handled. There is no such thing now. Every comment should receive a response, regardless of it's perceived merrit. If you are going to sh..can a comment because someone doesn't like its "tone" then put that in writing.
I too work but that shouldn't preclude a response in 4 weeks.
MEP
could you guys take this to a more appropriate place?No offense or anything, but there are better ways to go about getting problems resolved, MEP.
if you read my posts, you can see that I received no response. If you ask for a response and recive none then you have to conclude that you aren't going to recive one. This whole topic involves the Audio Asylum, procedures, responses, rule violations, etc. If that isn't germain to the Audio Asylum, then I don't know what is.
> > If you are going to sh..can a comment because someone
doesn't like its "tone" then put that in writing.I will sh..can a comment if I don't like its tone.
My guess, based on the actions of other moderators
is that they will, too.
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> > The first occurance was 8-13-02 ...I was on vacation, so I didn't pick up mail
during that week. Since I have little interest
in reviewing decisions made by other Bored
members and moderators in my absence, I
didn't see your comment.> > When this happened for the second time last Friday, I again notified AA and strongly requested a response as to how this would be dealt with
I got that one. Speaking for myself, I didn't
appreciate the tone of it, so I ignored it.
Apparently, the other Bored members and
moderators did so, too.I believe Bruce from DC covered the rest.
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So if you don't like the "tone" of a letter You decide you don't have to respond??? I want to make sure this is perfectly clear.Someone knowingly violates the POSTING RULES AT THE ASYLUM and you decide or don't decide, to take action based on the "tone" of his/her letter??? It does Not matter what the nature of the violation is or that this person has done it twice, thereby flaunting the very rules that you set up, what matters is your subjective interpretation of this person's tone???
See, I don't take participation in AA lightly, and I do think it is a valuable tool both for education and entertainment, which is why I am so upset at your inablity to do so much as provide a simple response to my inquiry. As I clearly stated, I didn't continue to pursue this after the first occurance, but when it happened a second time and still got no response, I had to wonder what is going on here.
If an AA member cannot receive at the very least, a brief response to their inquiry, then there is something wrong. Are you here to serve the interests of the Audio Asylum and its members, or your own vested interests???
As to the "tone" of my letter to which you refer, I would be completely unashamed to have you print this or for me to post its complete contents for all to see. If you had a problem with its "tone" or the merrits of this entire matter, then you should have informed me as such. I am a very reasonable person and I only expect the same courtesy from you. Thank you.
MEP
and I do think it is a valuable tool both for education and entertainment."Really?
Is that why you have made no financial contribution to AA?
Or do you consider your contribution of threads like this part of the "valuable entertainment"?
You got to the post first!I was just checking to see if he was a contributor and saw your post when I got back.
If I were a Contributor to AA, would I have received a prompt response? One can only guess about that.Bruce, you are digging yourself a deep hole here buddy. Contributions are the only determinent in how seriously you take AA?? Are you implying that if you aren't a Contributor, what you have to say should Not be taken seriously??? How many members are actually "contributors" anyway?. Perhaps their names should appear in BLUE, flashing iridescent colors or something, what do you think ?
Is it a quesion of the "squeaky wheel getting the grease" then ?
For a Bored Member you certainly use poor discretion in the message you give off in your posts. They regularly reek of condesention and unsubstantiated accusations. This is a very poor example for a Bored Member to set. That is IMHO, of course.
MEP
Sometimes, that is. Heh, heh.Come in screaming and they will scream back.
So, what's the problem?
George
Well, damn! That explains a lot!
I have a couple of quick comments to some posts both above and below...(better be quick, this whole thread is probably about to be "disappeared"...)1) MEP14's complaint is valid and should be addressed. Somebody is screwing with the guy's identity. Doesn't matter if they are slightly altering his protected moniker. I'd be pissed off if somebody started posting as "Bagsgroov*". That's an issue that affects us all--I want to have some confidence that I know who I'm talking too.
2) If it is known who this false poster is, can/will the Moderator take him out and shoot him, or insult his mother or something? I mean, it IS a rule violation...
3) It shouldn't make any difference at all if MEP14 is a contributor or not.
4) Now that I know that Bored members are in fact PEOPLE, I have an idea why they might have been a bit slow to respond to the problem. Just a suggestion, MEP14--even when you are in the right, it doesn't hurt to be aware of the "tone" of a message. WHEN YOU WRITE A WHOLE LOT OF CAP LOCKED WORDS, PEOPLE THINK YOU ARE SHOUTING! And, just in general, don't you think one question mark is enough????? I do. And the same for exclaimation points!!!!!
Yes, we do take faking one's name seriously, but we also take into consideration other factors and intent. In this case, I don't see a long term pattern. It strikes me as a personal thing that Dabe and MEP should work out. The first was obviously a fake and not attempted to appear otherwise, but rather to be illustrative. The second was more marginal, but I just have a lot more important things on my agenda. If it happened a few more times, maybe it'd get moved up on my priority list.
I still wish you guys would try not to be such PEOPLE!!!!!
I just spent thirty minutes going through the real MEP14's posting history and I agree, the first instance was made as an example/illustration and nothing really nefarious about it. The second example is a taunt.My question is, at least regarding the second more recent example, both use the exact same moniker and if the real MEP14 HAD protected his moniker at that time, why was Big Dave able to use it as well? Was it not protected?
Thanks, Chris
It's a happy place in a happy world!!!!!I agree with your sensible comments. It is a serious issue. And it requires an investigation and a thoughtful response.
I would like to add that "tone" can be very subjective, and misread given the many different life experiences people have. One might interpret frustration as anger.
mp
You seem to be one of the few here who is not afraid to speak your mind even if you don't agree with Bored Members. Lets be honest, most of the members ask, "how high" when told to jump here by certain people.As for my prolific use of caps and punctuation, my reasoned pleas did not seem to get a response so one does what one has to do sometimes..lol. And, the responses of the Powers that Be were callous to say the least which did not help.
It kills me that these people don't seem to care what was done, playing politics with my "tone" and that rot. Lets face it I can now see things much more clearly and I don't like the view. But, hey thanks for your support. Take care.
MEP
:)
This is what happened. Moniker protection is fairly limited in what it can do. Maybe you need "moniker alias" protection as well to keep this from happening.The first time it was
MEP14(A)
with an "(A)", the second time it was
MEPl4
with a small "L" instead of a one.
Seems to me the only way you're ever going get stuff like this removed is to appeal to a forum moderator. To that end, I suggest an attitude adjustment is in order.
on the circumstances. Generally, people simply turn on moniker protection and ask the other person to use a different name. I surely can't tell you who the real Dave is or the real Bob.I saw your email and I didn't think it was that big a deal in the whole scope of things that we have to deal with at the Asylum. I get literally hundreds of emails a day. Sorry, but I don't answer them all. I pick what seems to be the most important and some of those I answer and others just get the delete key. I hope that those that are important that I don't answer get someone else's attention. Obviously, some just plain go unanswered.
The Monkier Protection was turned on as I have stated several times here. I could have "flamed" the guy on the spot and raised a stink at the time. I did Not do this as I thoght I would let You handle this indiscretion. Out of respect for AA I thought it could be better handled discretely and with a minimum of uproar. Obviously, it does not seem to matter here what people do. It looks like "fend for yourself". If someone obviously hacks into someone else's info that should be cause for action. If you don't care and won't do anything about that then so be it.What is the purpose of having that rule listed under Posting Rules if you are not going to do anything when someone purposely posts under another's Username? Do you think I am posting as Big Dave and MEP14 while using different IP addresses ??? I assure you I am not.
If your Posting Rules at the Asylum and violations of them are "not that big a deal" then so be it. My participation in this forum is no longer a bid deal then either.
Personally Rod, you seem to do a good job of dealing with "technical problems or concerns" which is what your job seems to consist of so no disrespect to you. However, from the posts I have seen from Bored Members today regarding this topic, it is obvious to me that they don't really care what the average member does, just don't complain about anything. If you don't complain, then all is well. This seems like AA's version of "Don't Ask, Don't Tell". Well, it doesn't work well in the Military, and it is a poor position for you to take here.If you want to let people get away with murder and turn a blind eye, so be it. You have lost another passionate member and potential contributor, but then is "it a big deal in the whole scope of things" ? I doubt that is is.
MEP
"My participation in this forum is no longer a bid deal then either".
Quite right, nobody's is. This is a forum to discuss what must be considered a pretty self-indulgent hobby, nothing more. Not worth raising the blood pressure over.
What's the real story, "MEP14"? Maybe you think the world revolves around you?.....I again notified AA and strongly requested a response as to how this would be dealt with....
You did much more that "strongly request" a response. You threatened legal action!
Get bent.
Tom §.
I said I would find out who was in charge, thinking that my requests were just being put off by some underling, I didn't threaten "legal" action. You must be on some psychotropic drugs. Besides, who really knows what happens there. There is this aura of mystery about who really is in charge there. You have this mysterious "Bored" but who really knows what they do or how they operate. After today, it is clear how they operate. You don't seem accountable to anyone except yourselves which is a disservice to the members here. You comprise only a small segment of the membership here, remember that.
You want to print the letter, then print the fricking thing, I don't care.Print my original letters from a month ago too. You allow people to intentionally break the rules and do nothing, then you obsess over my "tone". Why didn't you have the guts to write to me and tell me to "get bent" rather than post such shameful and unprofessional language under the protection of the Forum?The truth is you or anyone there, wasn't about to do squat about the situation regardless of how diplomatically I worded my letter. Btw, I feel that I was diplomatic considering the circumstances. When I brought this to your attention after the first time, I was extremely polite and look where that got me.
You do whatever you like with no regard to its appropriateness and you have nobody to answer to because nobody really knows what the hell you do.
Go back to my original letter and original post here. I asked for a simple explaination about an obvious Rules Violation. That is about as simple and reasonable as you can get. What did you do? You did nothing.
Telling me to "get bent" is about as tacky as it gets. What is the criteria for Bored membership anyway? Do you need to pass a test for arrogance and pomposity first? If so you must have scored well.
The Audio Asylum is a great concept and could proliferate if it weren't for people such as yourself. Your language and behavior are totally Unprofessional.
MEP
If you want to go, then just go. No need to make a big statement as being terribly wronged and no one cared.Stay and contribute or go in silence.
Now, there's something that I wouldn't mind 'ranking' according to quality.And the Ethiopian judge gives that dive a perfect '10,' how 'bought that?
Chris
Could I use this as my other moniker, please?George :-)
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