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In Reply to: TtrVth? posted by jj on July 26, 1999 at 13:12:42:
Hi there,I do not think that you are correct when you say:
"I think that's what a lot of this tsuris is about, people think that their preference is being questioned. Unfortunately, sometimes it is. I simply can't understand why people must question PREFERENCE."
The point is that IF THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE THERE CAN BE NO PREFERENCE (on reasons of sound/soundquality). And preference is not the Issue.
The issue is that a certain group of people with an obvious agenda uses a very poor implementation of a certain methode of testing in order to throw a mantle of scientific credibility over their OPINION!!!!
To me it does matter a jota, if you prefer the etched, unnatrural and unmusical sound so often produced by current "High-End" Equipment, which has very little to do with how music sound in reality.
But if set up teste to deliberatly (or set them up subconciously) in a way that they will provide to you "proof" that "everything" sounds the same I object.
I am not familiar with the specific tests (DBT) you have carried out, though I understand they primiarily involved perceptual coding of low Data-rate signals. This for example would be an area where I would argue that a very compromised source is used anyway.
Still, I would recommend the use of Electrostatic Headphones if it is desired to establish ABSOLUTE limits of what is audible to trained listeners and what not.
If the desired result is the establishing of a standard that is good enough to be rarely distinguished within the context of mass market consumer audio, obviously a different setup is reqired and with this one changes that are BLINDINGLY OBVIOUS with suitable Equipment (old Series Stax Energiser and latest Phones) will not be noted....
But that is a sideline argument. AFAI Concerned DBT testing is one available tool, but DBT tests are biased inherently ( by the statistic methode used) to favour Null Results and require very carefull setup to return meaningfull results. If this care is not taken the return of "null" is inevetable....
Later Thorsten
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Follow Ups
- Preference? - Thorsten 07:49:39 07/28/99 (9)
- Re: Preference? Of course it's preference. - jj 10:48:32 07/28/99 (8)
- Re: Preference? Of course it's preference. - Thorsten 03:14:59 07/29/99 (7)
- Um, it's always possible to design a bad test - jj 19:40:54 07/29/99 (6)
- Re: Um, it's always possible to design a bad test - jfp 20:34:36 07/31/99 (4)
- Let's stop spinning our wheels! - Rod M 06:34:37 08/01/99 (0)
- More jfp mind games - jj 22:21:13 07/31/99 (2)
- One other point... - jj 22:36:42 07/31/99 (0)
- Ack. More dyslexia - jj 22:25:28 07/31/99 (0)
- JJ, Preference is not in the Picture, this is about the existense or nonexistence of audible differences.... (nt) - Thorsten 09:31:34 07/31/99 (0)
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