In Reply to: Calculation of small effects.. posted by jneutron on August 26, 2003 at 09:26:58:
At a gross level, the calcs I did yesterday suggested that at the peak of JC's 5kHz sine wave, the Peltier effect produced 1.5 x 10E-7 Watts. I think this is high, but it works as a worst-case to see if this stuff could be a contributing factor.Yesterday, I said this rate of heat generation in a 1mm2 conductor would cause a temp gradient of 3.75K/m in Cu if it was continuous. I think it's really half that, since the heat transfer from the junction is at least bi-driectional, so lets use 2 K/m.
(remember BTW, it only took 50uS to get to that peak, so we didn't generate much heat)
If you stopped the current at that peak, what electric potential would be generated by the Seebeck effect?
The big question is the width you use for the junction, since that will give you the actual temp rise. If it's 1mm, for example, then we have a rise of 0.002 K.
So, given a temp differential across the junction of 0.002 degrees, what is the Seebeck effect magnitude.
I want to try to get to a ballpark number, so we can see if its' anywhere near that 10E-8V level..
Peter
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- Ok, so let's plug in the numbers I worked on yesterday - Commuteman 10:48:15 08/26/03 (58)
- Re: Ok, so let's plug in the numbers I worked on yesterday - jneutron 11:39:23 08/26/03 (57)
- I have to think this through; won't have time until late this afternoon - Commuteman 12:56:49 08/26/03 (56)
- AHA.. - jneutron 07:24:17 08/27/03 (55)
- And it just dawned on me.. - jneutron 07:49:41 08/27/03 (54)
- Rethinking this whole thing - Commuteman 09:12:55 08/27/03 (53)
- Hmmm. - jneutron 10:19:56 08/27/03 (52)
- So let's double check this..... - Commuteman 13:33:18 08/27/03 (50)
- Re: So let's double check this..... - jneutron 14:06:04 08/27/03 (49)
- that's why it seems to be disappearing into the noise.. - Commuteman 21:42:35 08/27/03 (48)
- Re: that's why it seems to be disappearing into the noise.. - jneutron 04:11:17 08/28/03 (47)
- I'm not sure I missed the point... - Commuteman 17:25:28 08/28/03 (46)
- calcs. - jneutron 04:09:38 08/29/03 (0)
- Re: I'm not sure I missed the point... - jneutron 18:43:57 08/28/03 (44)
- It goes to the other junction - Commuteman 08:46:25 08/29/03 (43)
- Re: It goes to the other junction - jneutron 08:58:31 08/29/03 (42)
- Meanwhile, back in the original discussion...... - Commuteman 13:15:41 09/03/03 (9)
- definitely.. - jneutron 14:14:47 09/03/03 (8)
- "sycophant"... - slope 12:33:44 09/04/03 (1)
- thanks..nt - jneutron 13:55:50 09/04/03 (0)
- Are they both consuming energy? - Commuteman 21:25:55 09/03/03 (5)
- Re: Are they both consuming energy? - jneutron 06:44:47 09/04/03 (4)
- Not so fast buddy..... - Commuteman 15:44:25 09/04/03 (3)
- Re: Not so fast buddy..... - jneutron 05:59:31 09/05/03 (2)
- I'm glad I'm not lifting that sheetrock, although we do need to do that kitchen... - Commuteman 09:39:05 09/05/03 (1)
- I couldn't afford the money I'd want to charge to do this stuff. - jneutron 10:18:06 09/05/03 (0)
- Re: It goes to the other junction - john curl 17:15:57 08/29/03 (31)
- Is that all you can add? Oh sure? - jneutron 17:12:10 08/31/03 (30)
- What is your problem? - Charles Hansen 19:57:17 08/31/03 (29)
- That "cheerleaders without facts" post here" - jneutron 14:09:24 09/01/03 (28)
- Wow, not only are you impolite... - Charles Hansen 14:35:13 09/01/03 (27)
- Wow...technical dialogue for a change.. - jneutron 14:53:49 09/02/03 (26)
- Oh, I forgot to add - jneutron 15:29:03 09/02/03 (0)
- I'm now placing you... - Charles Hansen 15:20:19 09/02/03 (24)
- Weak>> - robotk 04:26:39 09/03/03 (1)
- Re: Weak>> - jneutron 05:34:04 09/03/03 (0)
- Relax will ya. - Hafdef 17:53:19 09/02/03 (0)
- BFD....Personally, I think you're full of hot ayre.... - slope 15:56:02 09/02/03 (3)
- What is BFD?? - jneutron 05:31:50 09/03/03 (2)
- Re: What is BFD?? - LarryR 06:10:54 09/03/03 (1)
- Thanks Larry - jneutron 06:26:31 09/03/03 (0)
- Damn...off by about two minutes.. - jneutron 15:32:32 09/02/03 (16)
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- Re: Damn...off by about two minutes.. - john curl 00:13:38 09/03/03 (13)
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- Why do you even bother anymore? - kuribo 10:29:17 09/03/03 (10)
- How do you judge? - Commuteman 13:41:56 09/03/03 (6)
- Hmmm. - jneutron 14:58:45 09/03/03 (5)
- I'll go look for the posts, but am I wrong? - Commuteman 21:42:04 09/03/03 (4)
- btw... - jneutron 10:02:11 09/04/03 (2)
- Now that IS a pointless exercise....NT - Commuteman 10:18:09 09/04/03 (1)
- Perhaps.. - jneutron 11:09:34 09/04/03 (0)
- Re: I'll go look for the posts, but am I wrong? - jneutron 07:10:52 09/04/03 (0)
- Hi Kuribo - jneutron 11:44:52 09/03/03 (2)
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- Yah, I know...it's gnat, not knat...Doh!nt - jneutron 06:30:02 09/03/03 (0)
- double hmmmm. - jneutron 10:36:37 08/27/03 (0)