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In Reply to: RE: FLAC Degrades sound quality permanently posted by audioengr on January 6, 2012 at 11:34:19:
But we're not talking about playing FLAC vs. playing WAV or AIFF, we're talking about the codec activity, and I don't think there's any question that FLAC is transparent in that way (despite these authors' claims). At least they are consistent, though; they consistently claim that two files which are identical in every way (md5, null test, whatever) can sound different based on some other "magical" quality.
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Follow Ups Full ThreadTopic - FLAC Degrades sound quality permanently - Mercman 16:11:41 01/05/12 (117)
- RE: FLAC Degrades sound quality permanently - soundchekk 03:28:14 01/12/12 (0)
- RE: FLAC Degrades sound quality permanently - phofman 02:24:15 01/12/12 (0)
- Wow, I thought I was losing my mind... - AbeCollins 14:11:33 01/10/12 (2)
- RE: Wow, I thought I was losing my mind... - Bob_C 12:27:23 01/11/12 (0)
- "NOS collection of early thumb drives."........LOL ! ...........nt - Cut-Throat 04:34:46 01/11/12 (0)
- Perhaps I've heard this - Skye 09:39:15 01/10/12 (6)
- RE: Perhaps I've heard this - Tony Lauck 13:21:57 01/10/12 (5)
- RE: Perhaps I've heard this - Skye 13:32:58 01/10/12 (4)
- Components interact. Ears are a component. - Tony Lauck 14:42:49 01/10/12 (3)
- RE: Components interact. Ears are a component. - Ryelands 15:44:45 01/10/12 (1)
- RE: Components interact. Ears are a component. - Tony Lauck 11:22:36 01/11/12 (0)
- RE: Components interact. Ears are a component. - Skye 15:29:47 01/10/12 (0)
- RE: FLAC Degrades sound quality permanently - magiccarpetride 10:55:09 01/09/12 (0)
- RE: FLAC Degrades sound quality permanently - jaydacus 17:47:47 01/08/12 (1)
- RE: FLAC Degrades sound quality permanently - Rob Bertrando 21:06:31 01/08/12 (0)
- RE: FLAC Degrades sound quality permanently - bertdw 04:36:59 01/08/12 (6)
- All lossless CODECs are variable bit rate - Tony Lauck 18:52:12 01/08/12 (2)
- RE: All lossless CODECs are variable bit rate - bertdw 10:45:04 01/09/12 (1)
- RE: All lossless CODECs are variable bit rate - Tony Lauck 10:53:28 01/09/12 (0)
- RE: FLAC Degrades sound quality permanently - phofman 12:57:59 01/08/12 (2)
- RE: FLAC Degrades sound quality permanently - bertdw 15:45:58 01/08/12 (0)
- RE: FLAC Degrades sound quality permanently - Rob Bertrando 13:31:46 01/08/12 (0)
- Actually.. - fmak 04:33:07 01/07/12 (6)
- RE: Actually.. - Mercman 04:38:40 01/07/12 (5)
- RE: Actually..Most - fmak 04:49:37 01/07/12 (4)
- Since there was no link to read anything what do you expect?..nt - Cut-Throat 16:42:47 01/07/12 (2)
- I expect - fmak 04:35:32 01/08/12 (1)
- With the inflammatory heading; I wouldn't...........nt - Cut-Throat 05:14:52 01/08/12 (0)
- I agree. (nt) - Mercman 05:04:09 01/07/12 (0)
- Compressed/Decompressed Signal Should Be Numerically Identical to the Original.................. - Todd Krieger 20:28:44 01/06/12 (2)
- RE: Compressed/Decompressed Signal Should Be Numerically Identical to the Original.................. - Tony Lauck 08:34:24 01/07/12 (1)
- What Tony said (nt) - Rob Bertrando 10:20:46 01/07/12 (0)
- RE: FLAC Degrades sound quality permanently - John Atkinson 16:42:06 01/06/12 (28)
- RE: FLAC Degrades sound quality permanently - audioengr 13:39:26 01/07/12 (0)
- RE: FLAC Degrades sound quality permanently - jazzminded 13:04:45 01/07/12 (26)
- RE: FLAC Degrades sound quality permanently - audioengr 13:40:44 01/07/12 (25)
- RE: FLAC Degrades sound quality permanently - Bob_C 20:52:27 01/07/12 (24)
- "Is it really that extreme?" - Beetlemania 11:01:28 01/08/12 (3)
- RE: "Is it really that extreme?" - Tony Lauck 18:42:42 01/08/12 (2)
- RE: FLAC Degrades sound quality permanently - audioengr 10:43:03 01/08/12 (19)
- Identical data with different sound = bad setup or hardware - Scrith 15:16:54 01/10/12 (0)
- which room was that? - Rob Bertrando 11:09:51 01/08/12 (1)
- RE: which room was that? - audioengr 16:15:45 01/08/12 (0)
- RE: FLAC Degrades sound quality permanently - Ryelands 11:01:07 01/08/12 (15)
- RE: FLAC Degrades sound quality permanently - audioengr 16:20:59 01/08/12 (14)
- RE: FLAC Degrades sound quality permanently - Tony Lauck 18:41:10 01/08/12 (13)
- He said AIFF too!!!!! - fmak 08:35:40 01/09/12 (1)
- RE: He said AIFF too!!!!! - Mercman 18:22:18 01/09/12 (0)
- RE: FLAC Degrades sound quality permanently - Bibo01 23:16:40 01/08/12 (0)
- RE: FLAC Degrades sound quality permanently - Rob Bertrando 21:04:08 01/08/12 (9)
- RE: FLAC Degrades sound quality permanently - audioengr 12:02:47 01/09/12 (8)
- RE: FLAC Degrades sound quality permanently - Tony Lauck 13:52:49 01/09/12 (7)
- RE: FLAC Degrades sound quality permanently - audioengr 11:04:05 01/10/12 (0)
- RE: FLAC Degrades sound quality permanently - audioengr 11:01:27 01/10/12 (1)
- RE: FLAC Degrades sound quality permanently - Tony Lauck 12:24:06 01/10/12 (0)
- RE: FLAC Degrades sound quality permanently - Archimago 15:45:54 01/09/12 (3)
- RE: FLAC Degrades sound quality permanently - Tony Lauck 15:56:03 01/09/12 (2)
- RE: FLAC Degrades sound quality permanently - audioengr 11:06:17 01/10/12 (1)
- RE: FLAC Degrades sound quality permanently - Tony Lauck 12:15:30 01/10/12 (0)
- The first two articles were "in the right direction", this 3rd is a shame for TAS - JBen 16:37:10 01/06/12 (1)
- I guess you missed... - Rob Bertrando 19:57:26 01/06/12 (0)
- Yup!; and Copper wire wrapped in Tech Flex sounds better than un-wrapped copper wire........nt - Cut-Throat 13:53:34 01/06/12 (0)
- RE: FLAC Degrades sound quality permanently - audioengr 11:34:19 01/06/12 (8)
- RE: FLAC Degrades sound quality permanently - Bob_C 20:56:00 01/07/12 (2)
- RE: FLAC Degrades sound quality permanently - audioengr 10:37:58 01/08/12 (1)
- RE: FLAC Degrades sound quality permanently - Tony Lauck 18:36:46 01/08/12 (0)
- RE: FLAC Degrades sound quality permanently - Rob Bertrando 13:23:52 01/06/12 (4)
- RE: FLAC Degrades sound quality permanently - audioengr 13:36:37 01/07/12 (3)
- did you read this study? - Rob Bertrando 11:17:21 01/08/12 (2)
- He hasn't read it.. - fmak 08:37:51 01/09/12 (0)
- RE: did you read this study? - audioengr 17:20:34 01/08/12 (0)
- More FUD??? - Archimago 11:00:36 01/06/12 (11)
- RE: More FUD??? - vinylphile 18:52:53 01/06/12 (4)
- RE: More FUD??? - Tony Lauck 19:36:42 01/06/12 (3)
- RE: More FUD??? - vinylphile 20:59:35 01/06/12 (2)
- RE: More FUD??? - Rob Bertrando 10:24:19 01/07/12 (0)
- RE: More FUD??? - Tony Lauck 07:48:43 01/07/12 (0)
- Read it first - fmak 11:41:05 01/06/12 (5)
- RE: Read it first - Archimago 18:42:03 01/06/12 (0)
- RE: Read it first - Rob Bertrando 13:26:41 01/06/12 (3)
- RE: Read it first - vinylphile 21:03:44 01/06/12 (1)
- Where is HP and PHD when you need them??? nt - Bob_C 21:05:02 01/07/12 (0)
- Hope the letter prints!!! - Archimago 18:43:59 01/06/12 (0)
- RE: FLAC Degrades sound quality permanently - Bromo33333 10:28:49 01/06/12 (0)
- RE: FLAC Degrades sound quality permanently - ikkei 10:00:42 01/06/12 (1)
- "Pay much attention to all analog cables (bad quality here will kill your music " - Cut-Throat 11:41:04 01/06/12 (0)
- Next step of "audio science" - rjan 23:16:58 01/05/12 (1)
- A while ago... - Presto 14:52:16 01/06/12 (0)
- "Interesting reading" ?!? - Stale 21:06:27 01/05/12 (7)
- RE: "Interesting reading" ?!? - Mercman 02:57:55 01/06/12 (6)
- OK, that was "interesting" not interesting :-) (NT) - Stale 10:30:19 01/06/12 (0)
- RE: "Interesting reading" ?!? - Ryelands 05:10:03 01/06/12 (4)
- Even worse - Beetlemania 09:40:05 01/06/12 (3)
- RE: Even worse - Ryelands 09:52:50 01/06/12 (2)
- some are not "too dumb" - Joe Murphy Jr 14:35:46 01/06/12 (1)
- RE: some are not "too dumb" - Ryelands 15:03:57 01/06/12 (0)
- Another example of their ignorance about digital audio - Scrith 17:44:28 01/05/12 (4)
- RE: Another example of their ignorance about digital audio - mls-stl 19:42:04 01/05/12 (3)
- TAS was very concerned with stamping quality of LPs - rickmcinnis@dogwoodfabrics.com 07:03:02 01/06/12 (2)
- RE: TAS was very concerned with stamping quality of LPs - mls-stl 09:05:42 01/06/12 (1)
- I agree with you completely - rickmcinnis@dogwoodfabrics.com 14:01:47 01/06/12 (0)
- Complete B.S. - MikeCh 16:58:02 01/05/12 (9)
- Some inconvenient facts - Tony Lauck 20:09:15 01/05/12 (8)
- RE: Some inconvenient fact-Sad - fmak 02:25:20 01/06/12 (2)
- So Fred.... - Presto 15:52:41 01/06/12 (1)
- RE: So Fred....And - fmak 22:34:17 01/06/12 (0)
- RE: Some inconvenient facts - phofman 01:11:57 01/06/12 (3)
- RE: Some inconvenient facts - Tony Lauck 08:00:21 01/06/12 (2)
- RE: Some inconvenient facts - kerkula 14:11:25 01/06/12 (1)
- RE: Some inconvenient facts - Tony Lauck 14:40:38 01/06/12 (0)
- fact remains that flac encoding in of itself doesn't alter a file signature. - MikeCh 21:17:21 01/05/12 (0)
- RE: FLAC Degrades sound quality permanently - Bob_C 16:42:07 01/05/12 (0)
- Nonsense, I'm guessing - tubesguy 16:25:37 01/05/12 (2)
- RE: Nonsense, I'm guessing - kerkula 19:42:18 01/05/12 (0)
- RE: Nonsense, I'm guessing - Mercman 16:31:07 01/05/12 (0)
Follow Ups
- RE: FLAC Degrades sound quality permanently - Rob Bertrando 13:23:52 01/06/12 (4)
- RE: FLAC Degrades sound quality permanently - audioengr 13:36:37 01/07/12 (3)
- did you read this study? - Rob Bertrando 11:17:21 01/08/12 (2)
- He hasn't read it.. - fmak 08:37:51 01/09/12 (0)
- RE: did you read this study? - audioengr 17:20:34 01/08/12 (0)