Theres such a thing as "properly designed amplifier"? "Properly" meaning what and by who's definition?!? [nt]

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Topic - Fremer has balls - apesma 11:18:51 10/12/07 (129)

I strongly recommend Fremer wear a nutcup. [nt] - Wellfed 21:32:02 10/14/07 (0)

There's no way he's going to do it... too much to lose, and only $1,000,000 to gain. /nt - truthseekerprime 16:33:57 10/13/07 (9)

What proof do you have that the 'Challenge' is real?... - Wellfed 21:25:42 10/14/07 (8)

RE: What proof do you have that the 'Challenge' is real?... - apesma 13:48:34 10/15/07 (1)

If they're legit, why would they feel the need to lie about Challenge negotiations? [nt] - Wellfed 21:20:57 10/17/07 (0)

You can contact the bank and check the existece of the money. You sign a legal contract with them. - truthseekerprime 04:19:57 10/15/07 (5)

RE: You can contact the bank and check the existece of the money. You sign a legal contract with them. - Tuckers 03:26:28 10/20/07 (0)

Looks can be deceiving... - Wellfed 08:07:16 10/15/07 (3)

top ten (or 13?) canards according to JREF forums - truthseekerprime 18:34:05 10/15/07 (1)

Don't forget... - Wellfed 20:50:03 10/17/07 (0)

Oh, well-said! nt - clarkjohnsen 09:08:08 10/15/07 (0)

Since there's no Troll Express would Whiners Express please perform the task. TIA nt - bjh 18:30:51 10/12/07 (2)

RETRACTION - It appears this may not be a simple troll after all ... - bjh 09:37:20 10/15/07 (1)

RE: RETRACTION - It appears this may not be a simple troll after all ... - apesma 13:45:30 10/15/07 (0)

That'd be curious. - tlyyra 17:59:38 10/12/07 (0)

Balls or naivety?! Randi will be playing with loaded dice. Heres wishing Fremer best of luck if true. [nt] - Steve Cortez 16:43:12 10/12/07 (0)

RE: Fremer has balls - nvinyl66 16:36:53 10/12/07 (0)

I just read - bjh 13:14:35 10/12/07 (111)

LOL - kerr 09:17:16 10/13/07 (92)

What Aczel Says Is.... - thetubeguy1954 11:41:54 10/13/07 (91)

RE: Your responds tells me - theaudiohobby 05:37:19 10/15/07 (88)

Theres such a thing as "properly designed amplifier"? "Properly" meaning what and by who's definition?!? [nt] - Steve Cortez 06:56:15 10/15/07 (87)

Aczel's definition couldn't be more clear. ... - bjh 08:31:47 10/15/07 (86)

RE: Aczel's definition couldn't be more clear. ... - morricab 04:44:39 10/16/07 (0)

So, by his standards - E-Stat 12:26:30 10/15/07 (82)

EStat, you have to go 25 years back to disprove his point? - Ozzie 17:10:02 10/16/07 (20)

RE: "Meanwhile Adkinson et al would be dismissing the validity of the test..." - tlyyra 09:12:59 10/17/07 (15)

RE: "Meanwhile Adkinson et al would be dismissing the validity of the test..." - bjh 10:17:03 10/17/07 (14)

RE: "Meanwhile Adkinson et al would be dismissing the validity of the test..." - Peter H-son 16:14:17 10/20/07 (12)

RE: "Meanwhile Adkinson et al would be dismissing the validity of the test..." - John Atkinson 17:43:19 10/20/07 (11)

Re: "If there are errors of fact on www.stereophie.com, then I will of course correct them." - tlyyra 11:58:28 10/21/07 (4)

Excuse me - John Atkinson 15:52:16 10/21/07 (3)

RE: Excuse me - tlyyra 04:21:18 10/22/07 (2)

RE: Excuse me - John Atkinson 07:11:25 10/22/07 (1)

RE: Excuse me - tlyyra 08:48:51 10/22/07 (0)

RE: "Meanwhile Adkinson et al would be dismissing the validity of the test..." - Peter H-son 19:07:39 10/20/07 (5)

RE: "Meanwhile Adkinson et al would be dismissing the validity of the test..." - John Atkinson 04:55:22 10/21/07 (4)

RE: "Meanwhile Adkinson et al would be dismissing the validity of the test..." - Peter H-son 06:19:32 10/21/07 (3)

RE: "Meanwhile Adkinson et al would be dismissing the validity of the test..." - John Atkinson 07:51:29 10/21/07 (2)

RE: "Meanwhile Adkinson et al would be dismissing the validity of the test..." - Peter H-son 13:15:54 10/21/07 (1)

RE: "Meanwhile Adkinson et al would be dismissing the validity of the test..." - John Atkinson 16:06:52 10/21/07 (0)

Don't you have to work from time to time? - tlyyra 10:31:14 10/17/07 (0)

Thoughtful post - E-Stat 19:50:42 10/16/07 (3)

My bet - Ozzie 11:28:46 10/18/07 (1)

It does sound nice (loooong) - E-Stat 12:21:57 10/18/07 (0)

"Further, if his five criteria are to be taken at face value, ... - bjh 10:10:29 10/17/07 (0)

Not to mention... - kerr 13:44:26 10/15/07 (9)

And... - bjh 14:31:01 10/15/07 (8)

I LOVE it when audiophiles claim they can't be affected by bias because they behaved to the contrary... - truthseekerprime 20:26:13 10/16/07 (5)

But... - kerr 04:31:08 10/17/07 (4)

"...if biases are constantly changing in different situations, are they really biases???? " - truthseekerprime 15:54:19 10/17/07 (0)

What a strange bird he is! - bjh 08:38:30 10/17/07 (2)

I don't share your bias - kerr 08:59:34 10/17/07 (0)

Piece of advise. - tlyyra 08:56:59 10/17/07 (0)

My bias on amps - kerr 15:50:04 10/15/07 (0)

Mine's a similar story - E-Stat 15:06:39 10/15/07 (0)

My ears are burning. - Pat D 13:43:17 10/15/07 (50)

Where did you buy the keyboard that generates teflon type? - E-Stat 14:03:22 10/15/07 (49)

I'm waiting for a falsification of Aczel's statement. - Pat D 17:58:37 10/15/07 (48)

How silly of me! - E-Stat 06:19:10 10/16/07 (47)

RE: How silly of me! - theaudiohobby 06:50:20 10/16/07 (46)

RE: How silly of me! - Pat D 12:27:36 10/16/07 (3)

You're not silly at all - kerr 17:55:43 10/16/07 (2)

RE: You're not silly at all - Pat D 18:15:33 10/16/07 (1)

RE: You're not silly at all - kerr 18:33:00 10/16/07 (0)

Measurements are not specifications and vice versa. - E-Stat 07:21:26 10/16/07 (41)

Yeah, but just keep repeating specs! - Pat D 12:05:59 10/16/07 (11)

What are specifications anyway? - E-Stat 12:41:39 10/16/07 (10)

Ah well, we have slight progress, possibly unconscious. - Pat D 14:15:14 10/16/07 (9)

Yes. You answered a question I didn't ask, but failed to answer the five I did - E-Stat 14:30:32 10/16/07 (8)

If you want to know what Peter Aczel means, ask him. - Pat D 18:11:32 10/16/07 (7)

"I don't speak for him" - E-Stat 19:30:23 10/16/07 (6)

If it measures good and sounds bad, you're not measuring the right things. - Pat D 07:11:16 10/17/07 (5)

You are the daily winner! - E-Stat 07:16:03 10/17/07 (4)

.... AND ... - bjh 08:48:39 10/17/07 (3)

Well, since some forget the basics, I sometimes call attention to them. - Pat D 13:24:57 10/17/07 (2)

I can't argue with you Pat... - bjh 05:57:00 10/18/07 (1)

RE: I can't argue with you Pat... - Pat D 08:38:45 10/18/07 (0)

Let's count the posts... - kerr 07:49:02 10/16/07 (28)

Refuted, but still debated. - Ozzie 17:25:15 10/16/07 (17)

you're right - truthseekerprime 20:29:57 10/16/07 (4)

A speaker manufacturer - E-Stat 05:05:46 10/17/07 (2)

Well, yeah - but he's not a speaker manufacturer exactly, more of a designer. See link. - truthseekerprime 22:00:53 10/18/07 (1)

Thanks, but I've seen his company's website (nt) - E-Stat 05:53:30 10/19/07 (0)

Interesting - kerr 04:23:58 10/17/07 (0)

RE: Refuted, but still debated. - kerr 17:51:38 10/16/07 (11)

RE: "Sound quality isn't a big deal to him..." - tlyyra 09:07:32 10/17/07 (10)

RE: "Sound quality isn't a big deal to him..." - kerr 10:38:58 10/17/07 (0)

Nor is "pride of ownership" important to HP - E-Stat 09:38:22 10/17/07 (8)

RE: "So what?" - tlyyra 10:13:34 10/17/07 (7)

Not at all - E-Stat 10:58:10 10/17/07 (6)

And what about Vadseth! - tlyyra 11:33:40 10/17/07 (5)

I'm not trying to draw any distinctions whatsoever - E-Stat 11:48:37 10/17/07 (4)

Maybe you are a bit dyslexic. - tlyyra 11:57:33 10/17/07 (3)

Must be a language barrier here - E-Stat 12:15:57 10/17/07 (2)

That much is clear already. - tlyyra 13:32:40 10/17/07 (1)

In that case - E-Stat 13:52:40 10/17/07 (0)

To tell you the truth - E-Stat 07:51:47 10/16/07 (9)

I found the Edge amps to be lifeless and sterile. - Ozzie 17:44:02 10/16/07 (1)

The system in which I heard them - E-Stat 19:23:01 10/16/07 (0)

I'm just curious - kerr 09:36:41 10/16/07 (6)

I just hate it when I'm right :) - E-Stat 10:20:47 10/16/07 (5)

Both the Stasis and Crown were at least double the $$$ of the Crown. - Ozzie 17:58:46 10/16/07 (4)

Double? - E-Stat 19:58:00 10/16/07 (3)

But cost doesn't matter in this particular debate - kerr 04:28:56 10/17/07 (2)

I was just correcting his statement - E-Stat 05:10:22 10/17/07 (1)

Good to know that... - kerr 09:05:02 10/17/07 (0)

RE: Aczel's definition couldn't be more clear. ... - kerr 09:28:08 10/15/07 (1)

Yes, and as I've pointed out - bjh 09:45:05 10/15/07 (0)

Aczel is tone death sad but - Kloss 07:05:44 10/14/07 (0)

RE: What Aczel Says Is.... - Bill the K 14:59:00 10/13/07 (0)

RE: I just read - Pat D 18:48:12 10/12/07 (7)

Or did he say, that some sound more the same than others? - Ozzie 18:53:33 10/12/07 (6)

Apparently you don't know what he has said, either. - Pat D 19:12:32 10/12/07 (5)

As a matter of fact I do. I was poking fun. - Ozzie 18:22:46 10/13/07 (4)

RE: As a matter of fact I do. I was poking fun. - Pat D 19:45:50 10/14/07 (0)

RE: As a matter of fact I do. I was poking fun. - john.potis@comcast.net 10:46:38 10/14/07 (2)

RE: As a matter of fact I do. I was poking fun. - Ozzie 18:50:54 10/14/07 (1)

Sensible Sound does indeed perpetuate the industry... - john.potis@comcast.net 07:36:52 10/15/07 (0)

And I just read - tlyyra 17:57:56 10/12/07 (0)

I've finally heard differences between wires - Richard BassNut Greene 14:22:21 10/12/07 (8)

RE: Richard ... is it true - Dr. S 15:38:49 10/15/07 (6)

Along with every other audiophile who has tried under controlled conditions, I've never heard wire differences - Richard BassNut Greene 09:09:37 10/16/07 (0)

It does cast everything he says into question, doesn't it? (nt) - Dave Pogue 05:18:18 10/16/07 (4)

The only questions are to audiophiles who make claims they can never prove to witnesses ... - Richard BassNut Greene 09:11:47 10/16/07 (3)

Witnesses, yes. You, no. - Dave Pogue 09:27:16 10/16/07 (2)

BTW, this is how we REJECT cables. - Dave Pogue 09:34:09 10/16/07 (1)

RE: This has been one of the most difficult differences for me to reconcile - Dr. S 12:56:52 10/16/07 (0)

Really Richard all is not just wire ya' know, so boooooooring ... expand your horizons fer goodness sake! nt - bjh 15:04:31 10/12/07 (0)

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Theres such a thing as "properly designed amplifier"? "Properly" meaning what and by who's definition?!? [nt] - Steve Cortez 06:56:15 10/15/07 (87)

Aczel's definition couldn't be more clear. ... - bjh 08:31:47 10/15/07 (86)

RE: Aczel's definition couldn't be more clear. ... - morricab 04:44:39 10/16/07 (0)

So, by his standards - E-Stat 12:26:30 10/15/07 (82)

EStat, you have to go 25 years back to disprove his point? - Ozzie 17:10:02 10/16/07 (20)

RE: "Meanwhile Adkinson et al would be dismissing the validity of the test..." - tlyyra 09:12:59 10/17/07 (15)

RE: "Meanwhile Adkinson et al would be dismissing the validity of the test..." - bjh 10:17:03 10/17/07 (14)

RE: "Meanwhile Adkinson et al would be dismissing the validity of the test..." - Peter H-son 16:14:17 10/20/07 (12)

RE: "Meanwhile Adkinson et al would be dismissing the validity of the test..." - John Atkinson 17:43:19 10/20/07 (11)

Re: "If there are errors of fact on www.stereophie.com, then I will of course correct them." - tlyyra 11:58:28 10/21/07 (4)

Excuse me - John Atkinson 15:52:16 10/21/07 (3)

RE: Excuse me - tlyyra 04:21:18 10/22/07 (2)

RE: Excuse me - John Atkinson 07:11:25 10/22/07 (1)

RE: Excuse me - tlyyra 08:48:51 10/22/07 (0)

RE: "Meanwhile Adkinson et al would be dismissing the validity of the test..." - Peter H-son 19:07:39 10/20/07 (5)

RE: "Meanwhile Adkinson et al would be dismissing the validity of the test..." - John Atkinson 04:55:22 10/21/07 (4)

RE: "Meanwhile Adkinson et al would be dismissing the validity of the test..." - Peter H-son 06:19:32 10/21/07 (3)

RE: "Meanwhile Adkinson et al would be dismissing the validity of the test..." - John Atkinson 07:51:29 10/21/07 (2)

RE: "Meanwhile Adkinson et al would be dismissing the validity of the test..." - Peter H-son 13:15:54 10/21/07 (1)

RE: "Meanwhile Adkinson et al would be dismissing the validity of the test..." - John Atkinson 16:06:52 10/21/07 (0)

Don't you have to work from time to time? - tlyyra 10:31:14 10/17/07 (0)

Thoughtful post - E-Stat 19:50:42 10/16/07 (3)

My bet - Ozzie 11:28:46 10/18/07 (1)

It does sound nice (loooong) - E-Stat 12:21:57 10/18/07 (0)

"Further, if his five criteria are to be taken at face value, ... - bjh 10:10:29 10/17/07 (0)

Not to mention... - kerr 13:44:26 10/15/07 (9)

And... - bjh 14:31:01 10/15/07 (8)

I LOVE it when audiophiles claim they can't be affected by bias because they behaved to the contrary... - truthseekerprime 20:26:13 10/16/07 (5)

But... - kerr 04:31:08 10/17/07 (4)

"...if biases are constantly changing in different situations, are they really biases???? " - truthseekerprime 15:54:19 10/17/07 (0)

What a strange bird he is! - bjh 08:38:30 10/17/07 (2)

I don't share your bias - kerr 08:59:34 10/17/07 (0)

Piece of advise. - tlyyra 08:56:59 10/17/07 (0)

My bias on amps - kerr 15:50:04 10/15/07 (0)

Mine's a similar story - E-Stat 15:06:39 10/15/07 (0)

My ears are burning. - Pat D 13:43:17 10/15/07 (50)

Where did you buy the keyboard that generates teflon type? - E-Stat 14:03:22 10/15/07 (49)

I'm waiting for a falsification of Aczel's statement. - Pat D 17:58:37 10/15/07 (48)

How silly of me! - E-Stat 06:19:10 10/16/07 (47)

RE: How silly of me! - theaudiohobby 06:50:20 10/16/07 (46)

RE: How silly of me! - Pat D 12:27:36 10/16/07 (3)

You're not silly at all - kerr 17:55:43 10/16/07 (2)

RE: You're not silly at all - Pat D 18:15:33 10/16/07 (1)

RE: You're not silly at all - kerr 18:33:00 10/16/07 (0)

Measurements are not specifications and vice versa. - E-Stat 07:21:26 10/16/07 (41)

Yeah, but just keep repeating specs! - Pat D 12:05:59 10/16/07 (11)

What are specifications anyway? - E-Stat 12:41:39 10/16/07 (10)

Ah well, we have slight progress, possibly unconscious. - Pat D 14:15:14 10/16/07 (9)

Yes. You answered a question I didn't ask, but failed to answer the five I did - E-Stat 14:30:32 10/16/07 (8)

If you want to know what Peter Aczel means, ask him. - Pat D 18:11:32 10/16/07 (7)

"I don't speak for him" - E-Stat 19:30:23 10/16/07 (6)

If it measures good and sounds bad, you're not measuring the right things. - Pat D 07:11:16 10/17/07 (5)

You are the daily winner! - E-Stat 07:16:03 10/17/07 (4)

.... AND ... - bjh 08:48:39 10/17/07 (3)

Well, since some forget the basics, I sometimes call attention to them. - Pat D 13:24:57 10/17/07 (2)

I can't argue with you Pat... - bjh 05:57:00 10/18/07 (1)

RE: I can't argue with you Pat... - Pat D 08:38:45 10/18/07 (0)

Let's count the posts... - kerr 07:49:02 10/16/07 (28)

Refuted, but still debated. - Ozzie 17:25:15 10/16/07 (17)

you're right - truthseekerprime 20:29:57 10/16/07 (4)

A speaker manufacturer - E-Stat 05:05:46 10/17/07 (2)

Well, yeah - but he's not a speaker manufacturer exactly, more of a designer. See link. - truthseekerprime 22:00:53 10/18/07 (1)

Thanks, but I've seen his company's website (nt) - E-Stat 05:53:30 10/19/07 (0)

Interesting - kerr 04:23:58 10/17/07 (0)

RE: Refuted, but still debated. - kerr 17:51:38 10/16/07 (11)

RE: "Sound quality isn't a big deal to him..." - tlyyra 09:07:32 10/17/07 (10)

RE: "Sound quality isn't a big deal to him..." - kerr 10:38:58 10/17/07 (0)

Nor is "pride of ownership" important to HP - E-Stat 09:38:22 10/17/07 (8)

RE: "So what?" - tlyyra 10:13:34 10/17/07 (7)

Not at all - E-Stat 10:58:10 10/17/07 (6)

And what about Vadseth! - tlyyra 11:33:40 10/17/07 (5)

I'm not trying to draw any distinctions whatsoever - E-Stat 11:48:37 10/17/07 (4)

Maybe you are a bit dyslexic. - tlyyra 11:57:33 10/17/07 (3)

Must be a language barrier here - E-Stat 12:15:57 10/17/07 (2)

That much is clear already. - tlyyra 13:32:40 10/17/07 (1)

In that case - E-Stat 13:52:40 10/17/07 (0)

To tell you the truth - E-Stat 07:51:47 10/16/07 (9)

I found the Edge amps to be lifeless and sterile. - Ozzie 17:44:02 10/16/07 (1)

The system in which I heard them - E-Stat 19:23:01 10/16/07 (0)

I'm just curious - kerr 09:36:41 10/16/07 (6)

I just hate it when I'm right :) - E-Stat 10:20:47 10/16/07 (5)

Both the Stasis and Crown were at least double the $$$ of the Crown. - Ozzie 17:58:46 10/16/07 (4)

Double? - E-Stat 19:58:00 10/16/07 (3)

But cost doesn't matter in this particular debate - kerr 04:28:56 10/17/07 (2)

I was just correcting his statement - E-Stat 05:10:22 10/17/07 (1)

Good to know that... - kerr 09:05:02 10/17/07 (0)

RE: Aczel's definition couldn't be more clear. ... - kerr 09:28:08 10/15/07 (1)

Yes, and as I've pointed out - bjh 09:45:05 10/15/07 (0)

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