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In Reply to: Or did he say, that some sound more the same than others? posted by Ozzie on October 12, 2007 at 18:53:33:
I never knew you guys had such an interest in Mr. Aczel. If so, why not read what he has said and find out what his opinions are.
If you don't have any interest in his opinions, why do you bother with them?
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"It pertains to all men to know themselves and to be temperate."
---Heraclitus of Ephesus (trans. Wheelwright)
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Follow Ups Full ThreadTopic - Fremer has balls - apesma 11:18:51 10/12/07 (129)
- I strongly recommend Fremer wear a nutcup. [nt] - Wellfed 21:32:02 10/14/07 (0)
- There's no way he's going to do it... too much to lose, and only $1,000,000 to gain. /nt - truthseekerprime 16:33:57 10/13/07 (9)
- What proof do you have that the 'Challenge' is real?... - Wellfed 21:25:42 10/14/07 (8)
- RE: What proof do you have that the 'Challenge' is real?... - apesma 13:48:34 10/15/07 (1)
- If they're legit, why would they feel the need to lie about Challenge negotiations? [nt] - Wellfed 21:20:57 10/17/07 (0)
- You can contact the bank and check the existece of the money. You sign a legal contract with them. - truthseekerprime 04:19:57 10/15/07 (5)
- RE: You can contact the bank and check the existece of the money. You sign a legal contract with them. - Tuckers 03:26:28 10/20/07 (0)
- Looks can be deceiving... - Wellfed 08:07:16 10/15/07 (3)
- top ten (or 13?) canards according to JREF forums - truthseekerprime 18:34:05 10/15/07 (1)
- Don't forget... - Wellfed 20:50:03 10/17/07 (0)
- Oh, well-said! nt - clarkjohnsen 09:08:08 10/15/07 (0)
- Since there's no Troll Express would Whiners Express please perform the task. TIA nt - bjh 18:30:51 10/12/07 (2)
- RETRACTION - It appears this may not be a simple troll after all ... - bjh 09:37:20 10/15/07 (1)
- RE: RETRACTION - It appears this may not be a simple troll after all ... - apesma 13:45:30 10/15/07 (0)
- That'd be curious. - tlyyra 17:59:38 10/12/07 (0)
- Balls or naivety?! Randi will be playing with loaded dice. Heres wishing Fremer best of luck if true. [nt] - Steve Cortez 16:43:12 10/12/07 (0)
- RE: Fremer has balls - nvinyl66 16:36:53 10/12/07 (0)
- I just read - bjh 13:14:35 10/12/07 (111)
- LOL - kerr 09:17:16 10/13/07 (92)
- What Aczel Says Is.... - thetubeguy1954 11:41:54 10/13/07 (91)
- RE: Your responds tells me - theaudiohobby 05:37:19 10/15/07 (88)
- Theres such a thing as "properly designed amplifier"? "Properly" meaning what and by who's definition?!? [nt] - Steve Cortez 06:56:15 10/15/07 (87)
- Aczel's definition couldn't be more clear. ... - bjh 08:31:47 10/15/07 (86)
- RE: Aczel's definition couldn't be more clear. ... - morricab 04:44:39 10/16/07 (0)
- So, by his standards - E-Stat 12:26:30 10/15/07 (82)
- EStat, you have to go 25 years back to disprove his point? - Ozzie 17:10:02 10/16/07 (20)
- RE: "Meanwhile Adkinson et al would be dismissing the validity of the test..." - tlyyra 09:12:59 10/17/07 (15)
- RE: "Meanwhile Adkinson et al would be dismissing the validity of the test..." - bjh 10:17:03 10/17/07 (14)
- RE: "Meanwhile Adkinson et al would be dismissing the validity of the test..." - Peter H-son 16:14:17 10/20/07 (12)
- RE: "Meanwhile Adkinson et al would be dismissing the validity of the test..." - John Atkinson 17:43:19 10/20/07 (11)
- Re: "If there are errors of fact on www.stereophie.com, then I will of course correct them." - tlyyra 11:58:28 10/21/07 (4)
- Excuse me - John Atkinson 15:52:16 10/21/07 (3)
- RE: Excuse me - tlyyra 04:21:18 10/22/07 (2)
- RE: Excuse me - John Atkinson 07:11:25 10/22/07 (1)
- RE: Excuse me - tlyyra 08:48:51 10/22/07 (0)
- RE: "Meanwhile Adkinson et al would be dismissing the validity of the test..." - Peter H-son 19:07:39 10/20/07 (5)
- RE: "Meanwhile Adkinson et al would be dismissing the validity of the test..." - John Atkinson 04:55:22 10/21/07 (4)
- RE: "Meanwhile Adkinson et al would be dismissing the validity of the test..." - Peter H-son 06:19:32 10/21/07 (3)
- RE: "Meanwhile Adkinson et al would be dismissing the validity of the test..." - John Atkinson 07:51:29 10/21/07 (2)
- RE: "Meanwhile Adkinson et al would be dismissing the validity of the test..." - Peter H-son 13:15:54 10/21/07 (1)
- RE: "Meanwhile Adkinson et al would be dismissing the validity of the test..." - John Atkinson 16:06:52 10/21/07 (0)
- Don't you have to work from time to time? - tlyyra 10:31:14 10/17/07 (0)
- Thoughtful post - E-Stat 19:50:42 10/16/07 (3)
- My bet - Ozzie 11:28:46 10/18/07 (1)
- It does sound nice (loooong) - E-Stat 12:21:57 10/18/07 (0)
- "Further, if his five criteria are to be taken at face value, ... - bjh 10:10:29 10/17/07 (0)
- Not to mention... - kerr 13:44:26 10/15/07 (9)
- And... - bjh 14:31:01 10/15/07 (8)
- I LOVE it when audiophiles claim they can't be affected by bias because they behaved to the contrary... - truthseekerprime 20:26:13 10/16/07 (5)
- But... - kerr 04:31:08 10/17/07 (4)
- "...if biases are constantly changing in different situations, are they really biases???? " - truthseekerprime 15:54:19 10/17/07 (0)
- What a strange bird he is! - bjh 08:38:30 10/17/07 (2)
- I don't share your bias - kerr 08:59:34 10/17/07 (0)
- Piece of advise. - tlyyra 08:56:59 10/17/07 (0)
- My bias on amps - kerr 15:50:04 10/15/07 (0)
- Mine's a similar story - E-Stat 15:06:39 10/15/07 (0)
- My ears are burning. - Pat D 13:43:17 10/15/07 (50)
- Where did you buy the keyboard that generates teflon type? - E-Stat 14:03:22 10/15/07 (49)
- I'm waiting for a falsification of Aczel's statement. - Pat D 17:58:37 10/15/07 (48)
- How silly of me! - E-Stat 06:19:10 10/16/07 (47)
- RE: How silly of me! - theaudiohobby 06:50:20 10/16/07 (46)
- RE: How silly of me! - Pat D 12:27:36 10/16/07 (3)
- You're not silly at all - kerr 17:55:43 10/16/07 (2)
- RE: You're not silly at all - Pat D 18:15:33 10/16/07 (1)
- RE: You're not silly at all - kerr 18:33:00 10/16/07 (0)
- Measurements are not specifications and vice versa. - E-Stat 07:21:26 10/16/07 (41)
- Yeah, but just keep repeating specs! - Pat D 12:05:59 10/16/07 (11)
- What are specifications anyway? - E-Stat 12:41:39 10/16/07 (10)
- Ah well, we have slight progress, possibly unconscious. - Pat D 14:15:14 10/16/07 (9)
- Yes. You answered a question I didn't ask, but failed to answer the five I did - E-Stat 14:30:32 10/16/07 (8)
- If you want to know what Peter Aczel means, ask him. - Pat D 18:11:32 10/16/07 (7)
- "I don't speak for him" - E-Stat 19:30:23 10/16/07 (6)
- If it measures good and sounds bad, you're not measuring the right things. - Pat D 07:11:16 10/17/07 (5)
- You are the daily winner! - E-Stat 07:16:03 10/17/07 (4)
- .... AND ... - bjh 08:48:39 10/17/07 (3)
- Well, since some forget the basics, I sometimes call attention to them. - Pat D 13:24:57 10/17/07 (2)
- I can't argue with you Pat... - bjh 05:57:00 10/18/07 (1)
- RE: I can't argue with you Pat... - Pat D 08:38:45 10/18/07 (0)
- Let's count the posts... - kerr 07:49:02 10/16/07 (28)
- Refuted, but still debated. - Ozzie 17:25:15 10/16/07 (17)
- you're right - truthseekerprime 20:29:57 10/16/07 (4)
- A speaker manufacturer - E-Stat 05:05:46 10/17/07 (2)
- Well, yeah - but he's not a speaker manufacturer exactly, more of a designer. See link. - truthseekerprime 22:00:53 10/18/07 (1)
- Thanks, but I've seen his company's website (nt) - E-Stat 05:53:30 10/19/07 (0)
- Interesting - kerr 04:23:58 10/17/07 (0)
- RE: Refuted, but still debated. - kerr 17:51:38 10/16/07 (11)
- RE: "Sound quality isn't a big deal to him..." - tlyyra 09:07:32 10/17/07 (10)
- RE: "Sound quality isn't a big deal to him..." - kerr 10:38:58 10/17/07 (0)
- Nor is "pride of ownership" important to HP - E-Stat 09:38:22 10/17/07 (8)
- RE: "So what?" - tlyyra 10:13:34 10/17/07 (7)
- Not at all - E-Stat 10:58:10 10/17/07 (6)
- And what about Vadseth! - tlyyra 11:33:40 10/17/07 (5)
- I'm not trying to draw any distinctions whatsoever - E-Stat 11:48:37 10/17/07 (4)
- Maybe you are a bit dyslexic. - tlyyra 11:57:33 10/17/07 (3)
- Must be a language barrier here - E-Stat 12:15:57 10/17/07 (2)
- That much is clear already. - tlyyra 13:32:40 10/17/07 (1)
- In that case - E-Stat 13:52:40 10/17/07 (0)
- To tell you the truth - E-Stat 07:51:47 10/16/07 (9)
- I found the Edge amps to be lifeless and sterile. - Ozzie 17:44:02 10/16/07 (1)
- The system in which I heard them - E-Stat 19:23:01 10/16/07 (0)
- I'm just curious - kerr 09:36:41 10/16/07 (6)
- I just hate it when I'm right :) - E-Stat 10:20:47 10/16/07 (5)
- Both the Stasis and Crown were at least double the $$$ of the Crown. - Ozzie 17:58:46 10/16/07 (4)
- Double? - E-Stat 19:58:00 10/16/07 (3)
- But cost doesn't matter in this particular debate - kerr 04:28:56 10/17/07 (2)
- I was just correcting his statement - E-Stat 05:10:22 10/17/07 (1)
- Good to know that... - kerr 09:05:02 10/17/07 (0)
- RE: Aczel's definition couldn't be more clear. ... - kerr 09:28:08 10/15/07 (1)
- Yes, and as I've pointed out - bjh 09:45:05 10/15/07 (0)
- Aczel is tone death sad but - Kloss 07:05:44 10/14/07 (0)
- RE: What Aczel Says Is.... - Bill the K 14:59:00 10/13/07 (0)
- RE: I just read - Pat D 18:48:12 10/12/07 (7)
- Or did he say, that some sound more the same than others? - Ozzie 18:53:33 10/12/07 (6)
- Apparently you don't know what he has said, either. - Pat D 19:12:32 10/12/07 (5)
- As a matter of fact I do. I was poking fun. - Ozzie 18:22:46 10/13/07 (4)
- RE: As a matter of fact I do. I was poking fun. - Pat D 19:45:50 10/14/07 (0)
- RE: As a matter of fact I do. I was poking fun. - john.potis@comcast.net 10:46:38 10/14/07 (2)
- RE: As a matter of fact I do. I was poking fun. - Ozzie 18:50:54 10/14/07 (1)
- Sensible Sound does indeed perpetuate the industry... - john.potis@comcast.net 07:36:52 10/15/07 (0)
- And I just read - tlyyra 17:57:56 10/12/07 (0)
- I've finally heard differences between wires - Richard BassNut Greene 14:22:21 10/12/07 (8)
- RE: Richard ... is it true - Dr. S 15:38:49 10/15/07 (6)
- Along with every other audiophile who has tried under controlled conditions, I've never heard wire differences - Richard BassNut Greene 09:09:37 10/16/07 (0)
- It does cast everything he says into question, doesn't it? (nt) - Dave Pogue 05:18:18 10/16/07 (4)
- The only questions are to audiophiles who make claims they can never prove to witnesses ... - Richard BassNut Greene 09:11:47 10/16/07 (3)
- Witnesses, yes. You, no. - Dave Pogue 09:27:16 10/16/07 (2)
- BTW, this is how we REJECT cables. - Dave Pogue 09:34:09 10/16/07 (1)
- RE: This has been one of the most difficult differences for me to reconcile - Dr. S 12:56:52 10/16/07 (0)
- Really Richard all is not just wire ya' know, so boooooooring ... expand your horizons fer goodness sake! nt - bjh 15:04:31 10/12/07 (0)
Follow Ups
- Apparently you don't know what he has said, either. - Pat D 19:12:32 10/12/07 (5)
- As a matter of fact I do. I was poking fun. - Ozzie 18:22:46 10/13/07 (4)
- RE: As a matter of fact I do. I was poking fun. - Pat D 19:45:50 10/14/07 (0)
- RE: As a matter of fact I do. I was poking fun. - john.potis@comcast.net 10:46:38 10/14/07 (2)
- RE: As a matter of fact I do. I was poking fun. - Ozzie 18:50:54 10/14/07 (1)
- Sensible Sound does indeed perpetuate the industry... - john.potis@comcast.net 07:36:52 10/15/07 (0)