 
|
Audio Asylum Thread Printer Get a view of an entire thread on one page |
For Sale Ads |
|
|
Audio Asylum Thread Printer Get a view of an entire thread on one page |
For Sale Ads |
69.249.104.243
Where is our country heading?
Follow Ups:
Episode 1
"Horse sense is the thing a horse has which keeps it from betting on people. "
― W.C. Fields
... They would denounce the crimes-against-humanity being committed by the current Israeli gov't. But instead most hold out for "Israel right or wrong".Grasp the concept: criticizing Israeli actions is NOT antisemitism. Indeed, criticizing Zionist extremism isn't antisemitic either.
NOT the 51st state, eh!?!
Edits: 05/26/25
...why don't you enlighten us, as some of us do not see it.
I am sure you mean the Israelis hitting the hospital, killing 500 people. Right?
I'd expect better.
I reiterate: if American Jews (and other American Israel supporters) want to reduce antisemitism, they must denounce the actions of the Netanyahu government. The fact that few have done so leads less sophisticated people to tragically associated all Jews with the excesses of the current Israeli government.
According to Wikipedia there a various estimates of civilian casualties in Gaza since Oct.7/23. Estimates are typically about 80%; the lowest comes from Benjamin Netanyahu at "only" 53%.
Saying, (as some do), that to criticize Israel action is being pro-Hamas is a total straw-man.
NOT the 51st state, eh!?!
. . . let's screw our heads on right and get one thing straight, right from the beginning:Two Israeli embassy staffers getting shot in Washington DC is less newsworthy than tens of thousands of Palestinians being killed in [the Jewish supremicist state of] Israel's genocidal land grab. It is less important. It deserves less attention. It is not the main story. Israel's genocide in Gaza is the main story.
-Caitlin Johnstone
Truer words were never spoken.
There is reality - that's where most of us thrive. And then there is anti-reality - that's where you're from. Go back to where you're most comfortable. Twain shall not meet.
... Gotten a bit thin especially with the younger generation.
NOT the 51st state, eh!?!
Clearly, it is not happening... in large part because our generation tends to also be dumb when it comes to unpleasant issues.
.
. . . no matter what atrocities the current Israeli regime commits.
Here's your "logic":
1. Israel commits unspeakable modern acts of genocide.
2. But. . . but. . . Kristalnacht (the magic incantation)!
3. Well, OK - whatever murderous policies Israel commits must be just fine!
I mean, when you can't even keep Piers Morgan (who could always be counted upon to ask his guests, "But won't you condemn Hamas?") on your side, you know your argument is full of it.
Explain to me how that is genocide. Or just admit you're a fucking retarded liar looking to besmirch Israel with blood libel to pretend murdering Jews is justified. On top of this every Jew was forcibly evicted from Gaza 20 years ago by prime minister Sharon. You lefties are just disgusting scum.
I rest my case.
Just hate.
You really lost me there V.K. - I comment on Jazz's Neverland deflection of Gaza's genocide with his idiotic bringing up "statistics" as if wholesale murder of Palestinians wasn't taking place , and you see hate on my part??? Just exactly where is your head at on this subject?
"as if wholesale murder of Palestinians wasn't taking place"
What else is happening in the world that we have no idea about?
You are showing no critical thinking at all.
Can I ask you - where did you get the idea above?
That was Pam Bondi's description of the event. Idk, I think there are better words in our vocabulary for such an event.I liked the news coverage of the people involved in that human tragedy and as soon as Israeli apologists got all the airtime, now that was 'disgusting.'
[I already stepped into this political quagmire :-)]
Interesting to note that birthrates in Israel is almost 3 per woman whereas in Palestine it slightly over 3 per woman (and once was at least 6).
Yes, Israel's war is also a war against birth rate, using birth rate, besides other indirect means, and is being fought back primarily using birthrate and a few missiles.
Edits: 05/23/25 05/23/25 05/23/25 05/23/25 05/23/25
.
"Horse sense is the thing a horse has which keeps it from betting on people. "
― W.C. Fields
Unfortunately this can be seen as the seeds of modern political policies taking root in our society.
Governments that sow division and hatred, and governments that play citizens against one another based on their race, place of birth, religion, education to try to marginalise certain groups to gain popularity and win votes end up having incidences of violence and discrimination increasing.
Trying to hide from entropy
John K
An innocent, beautiful couple of Jews shot in the back by a total marxist coward chanting a jihadist slogan...what the fuck does this have to do with modern political policies. Marxism is not particularly modern. Antisemitism sure isn't modern. You're pretty goddamn confused.
I hope Pam Bondi hangs this murderer antisemite in the DC mall.
What about the 25 thousand innocent unarmed little children that this marauding fascist bombed and killed?
Just yesterday 8 of the 9 children of a Doctor was killed when the mother was working in a children's hospital.
Bill
...gave one shit about all those thousands?
Actually, they did... because the larger the arbitrary number the stronger is their support and the more money would come to them.
Otherwise, they did not care any more than Hitler did about the German civilians.
It's a mental illness. Any leftie you talk to, they're unable to outright condemn the murder of Jews--even these two who were actually very caring toward Palestinians. Beautiful young couple just starting out in life. The lefties have abandoned their Judeo-Christian values to pretend they care about palestinian pursuit of jihad. It's remarkable brain damage on a mass scale.
Perhaps this is always the case when life is getting harder?
After all, in the eighties everyone was obsessed with new cars and big homes... today the reality is different and throughout the history the first scapegoat has always been that pesky Jew.
There was a sad satirical song in the USSR, and one brilliant stanza went something like: "No water in your facet means the Jews drunk it all"
But that was the russian society... it makes me extremely sad to see antisemitism becoming more and more popular here.
Speaking strictly as a goy, but a goy who has seen a lot of ugly stuff.
Antisemitism was engraved in the russian society. I would say at least 90% of the population were guilty of some form... from a benign and almost indifferent, semi-humorous one to the outwardly militant.
Secondly, it's a question of who's responsible? You're too stupid and antisemitic to be able to answer that intelligently. Basically you're just a tool of hatred that's been stoked for thousands of years against Jews. You're a neonazi. It would be nice if you'd fuck off and die yourself.
Who have been targeted and murdered in the womb here in the United States. Do you see the hypocrisy? And somehow that is fine and a right! One get killed in war and the other gets pulled apart in pieces.
Beautiful couple made a bad career choice and decided to work for the government of a war criminal accused of a Genocide. They were killed becuase they worked for Israel Embassy and not because they were Jewish. It's not a hate crime but it will be prosecuted and trumpeted as such becuase it's the habit of this deceitful and hypocritical country
.
"Horse sense is the thing a horse has which keeps it from betting on people. "
― W.C. Fields
it's a war and it was declared by no one else but Israeli PM.
+1
Both she and her boyfriend were meeting at the museum to try to create more aid and paths to peace for your beloved gaza jihadists. It's traitors like you who are turning this country into a morally bankrupt shithole.
Just to be clear, killing this young couple won't raise the Palestinian dead. But I do think you have a point: strictly speaking they weren't exactly non-combatants in what the media keeps calling a war, although it looks more like a turkey shoot to me.
Anyway her boss is wanted for war crimes
by international tribunal. War is war
And an act of war carried out on our soil should be seen and treated as such.
Eye for eye since we are on the side of war criminals and are Nazis Allies.
No, just not allowing them in to commit acts of war here, now that they are looking at who comes in, should be easier filter out crud.
When you say Nazi's, which ones do you mean?
That is a watered down generic political term now days for someone or group who's view is severe or conflicts with ones own, even on a choice of soup.
Maybe it's like how Freedom fighters and Rebels are the same thing depending which side your on.
dual citizens to be correct. Did US government declare the war on Palestinian population as well?
No, but those 24k might have and were free to decide to go and fight Hamas over there.
Then why don't they? Fight Hamas? So far they just use bunker busting bombs and kill mostly women and children. I don't see US/Israeli troopers storming the street blocks cleaning the areas from Hamas fighters sector after sector .
Your hamas heroes are hiding in tunnels under schools, hospitals and mosques because they're cowards. They spent your tax dollars not to help their people but to build said tunnels, and to line their pockets with cash. These are the jihadists you act as apologist for. Sick.
Israel wants to conquer city of 2 million without any casualties so it just bombs and shells civilian population which has nowhere to go. You expect light militia to make a stand in open field against F-35 and Merkava tanks? That's your idea of modern warfare? Sacrifice 40k troops and clean the city from Hamas square after square or forget it. That's what it takes and that's what Russians spend in blood to take far smaller city in Ukraine.
It's obvious scum like you will twist your mind into whatever pretzel you need to justify hatred and murder of Jews. The idea that you actually care about palestinians and keep raising this as a point in a thread about two nice young Jewish people murdered in DC says it all. You don't care about palestinians--that is patently obvious. You, like the murderer, are mentally ill. You need help and the first step to getting help for y'all is to admit you're an antisemitic shithead. Only then can you start to fix your fucked up brain.
Edits: 05/25/25
I don't care neither for Jews or Palestinians. I don't care if the couple were nice people or bad people. They were representing and were paid salary by murderous Junta waging war on civilian population and killing civilians en masse. They were legitimate targets by the enemies and the fact that they were Jewish had nothing to do with the act. The fact that Israel is an apartheid country only for Jews necessitated that the couple working for Israel embassy was Jewish. Nothing more than that. Now you can spin it as you wish to profit from it becuase that's ingrained in your psyche- profiting from everything. Holocaust is the main money making machine in Israel.
If someone admires a fascist leader, does that make him a fascist himself?
Edits: 05/22/25
Oh, the ones declared by international court war criminals committing genocide. It's only because the biggest military in the world is allied with war criminals committing genocide they are Scott free to do what they please. Personally I like Nazis and all kind of criminals and Arabs are not my favorite tribe so I don't care but true Americans are known for their values and humanity. Like 90% of worlds media owned by our interests trumpets it 24/7
This I assert despite being, generally, pro-Palestinian.About 2/3 of Israelis who were killed by Hamas on Oct.7 were civilian, (the rest military, police, or security staff). About 4/5 of the 53,000 who died in Gaza since then were civilian.
NOT the 51st state, eh!?!
Edits: 05/22/25
I can never figure out that relativism.
nt
NOT the 51st state, eh!?!
.
'Palestinians' are the indigenous inhabitants of roughly the area that was the British Palestine Mandate. (Technically that includes a few native ME Jews, Christians, Drewes, but mostly Muslim Arabs).
The Palestinians have been progressively displaced from their original homes since 1948 by Zionist interlopers using armed force.
As for violent terrorism by Palestinians, I have denounced it for many years because (a) violence particularly against civilians is morally repugnant, and (b) because it has been a useful pretext for continued Zionist expansion by force, the denial of rights to Palestinians, and resistance to a sovereign State of Palestine.
Throughout the interval since the end of WWII the USA as been an unconditional ally of the Zionists including comprehensive military and diplomatic support. The USA is fully complicit in the current Israeli gov't's crimes against humanity in Gaza and also the West Bank, (now called "Judea & Samaria" by hardcore Zionists).
NOT the 51st state, eh!?!
You invade and kill almost all the inhabitants, and then you, of course, have the right to settle there, because there are... ahem... only "a few" of them.
And that's why you love Palestinians--because you hate Jews. You're exactly the same as the marxist latino who shouted "free palestine" and waved his kaffiyeh in the air after unloading 20 rounds into the backs and heads of two beautiful young Jews. You're the same in words if not deeds. You're a coward, liar and hater, that's for sure.
There are basically two bad actors in this international disaster. First, there's Hamas, and the limited subset of Palestinians who support them. Then there's the reprehensible Israeli government, and the subset of Israelis who support it. The good guys in the middle of all the violence, and the ones unfortunately most affected, are the average, working class Israelis and Palestinians (Palestinians who are watching their children starve along with themselves) who see no good coming from any of this.
You talk about a Palestinian murdering a couple of Jewish women, and that would be reasonable if you would also not forget about the large group of Palestinian emergency workers murdered by the IDF.
Mark in NC
"The thought that life could be better is woven indelibly into our hearts and our brains" -Paul Simon
Edits: 05/25/25
All your writing here says you have no idea.
There are many reasons, but you can't just say 'all of the above!' Obviously, it's an historical occurrence. But, what 'subjective' reasons can we attribute this to, I'm curious what you have (and I have my own)?
...as "refugees" means billions of $$$ in the pockets of their "leaders".
At the end of WW2 millions of people were displaced, but within a few short years they all found new homes and new lives.
Have you ever heard of Polish refugees camps?
No, I don't know much about the polish camps, but I think, in the case of Palestinians, and I'm largely guessing because I don't know any outside of those running a few restaurants I frequent for their hummus.
First, I think that many Palestinians have already relocated throughout the world.
Second, I'm not sure if they are welcome in other Arab countries as Arab's have been a divided people for a long time (similar to Catholics and Protestants, until Evangelicals have forged some symbiotic relationship that now holds our country in a death grip).
Third, I think the Palestinians know where their destiny lies and that is not as a dispersed population.
OK. I probably know jack-shit of the situation, but so be it.
They were initially allowed into Jordan - Arabs helping Arabs.
But that did not last long as the "palestinians" decided to overthrow the King...
They got, however, the short end of the stick, so the King slaughtered several thousand of them and exile the rest. Hence the name Black September.
Nice people...
After that they settled in Lebanon, and they kept their people in horrible camps, so they could be used as currency.
so what in the world are we arguing about??
Until they do no one is going to want them.The "refugees" should be encouraged to leave their ghettos and camps and settle in other Arab countries. Apparently, some Gazans are already doing that.
People have to make rational choice. They can stay in Gaza and live like rats, hating the Israelis and trying to kill them at any opportunity, only to then suffer the Israeli just wrath. Or to move to another Arab country and make their peaceful lives there.
People do that all the time. And so should the "palestinians"
Because they seem to be totally unwilling to live like good neighbors.
But so far their history is not too encouraging... any chance at normal life they a given the squander killing, and killing more and more Jews.
Edits: 05/25/25
... often spouted by you. You have a blind spot if you equate me with the Washington murderer.
In case other people care the least about what I think, I neither love Palestinians nor hate Jews. Its a shame when people like you have to retreat to their ethnic identities to ease their resentment and angst.
NOT the 51st state, eh!?!
I know of no one who hates the "palestinians", but plenty of Jew haters, even on these pages.
The Israelis, and all Jews of the world, would be thrilled if the "palestinians" finally dropped their only goal in life - killing all the Jews, and instead built great life for themselves.
In fact they have been continuously helping them in that regard.
On the other side of the fence is the animal hatred of Jews. Nothing but the complete extermination of Jews would make the "palestinians" happy.
It is ridiculous that you are trying to use the two in the same sentence, as just two neighbors arguing over the property border.
Anybody who states that the Palestinians only goal in life is to kill all the Jews qualifies as person who hates Palestinians.
So if you are looking for a person who hates Palestinians, you need only to look in the mirror.
.
Your mastery of spelling is lacking.Also: Ascribing a single abhorrent trait to a whole people is how genocide is justified.
Edits: 05/25/25
I am sure you are going to show me some "palestinian" groups that advocate peaceful coexistence with Israel. How long you think would they live in Gaza?
Anyway, since you are so ignorant... no Jew has ever advocated throwing the "palestinians" into the sea. Instead they bent over backwards trying to help the Gazans. Sending billions in help, providing water and electricity, letting them to come work and do business in Israel.
Kinda different from that "From the river to the sea!" chant... I think even you would agree with that.
Show me an example where a gang of murderous Jews would kill a woman, then drag her naked body through the streets to celebrating crowd.
Of course those are all heinous acts.
The problem here is that you are saying ALL Palestinians are responsible for these acts.
If you believe that, it's pretty easy to justify wiping Gaza off
the face of the planet.
But again, show me a group in Gaza that advocates the end of hostilities with Israel.
And when you have two million people and there is no single voice against violence the word "all" naturally pops up in your mind.
Yes but a consideration should be that the Oct 7 the attack was a sucker punch, out of the blue, that also involved making gruesome videos of what they did to men, women, children and babies and proudly sending them "back home" to show what they had done.
Letting the Israeli's and the world see those videos, (where shown) didn't help the the sympathy ploy that they were counting on after the counter attacks..
This had to be on purpose, knowing full well doing such horrible things that they were going to get the crap pounded out of them and so, their wish was granted although with more restraint than past events.
While the response to the surprise attack was substantial, the loss of civilian life would have been far less (given the warnings etc) had Hamas not used the residents homes and bodies for shelter and body armor and allowed them to leave in greater numbers. OTH, if they were faithful H supporters, staying was the right thing to do, ideally to become one with the earth with the mentally ill who committed the surprise attack at a time that was at peace..
The response was however, not enough yet to get them to give up, much like the knight at the bridge in the Holy Grail.
What needs to happen is to end this the conventional way, with one side finally being willing to give up and say it's over and be over.
Meanwhile since several other countries have traditionally been sending their young hotheads there to fight, a key part would be addressing that flow of people committed to killing and not allowing them to ever get that close again.
But since the info is coming from the other side of the fence it will never be verified correctly.
Apparently the IDF shot in the general direction of a diplomatic delegation including four Canadians. Of course Carney also signed that letter along with Macron and Keir Starmer. Oh, you meant your other country.
because a war is a war. There is nothing US military enjoys more than killing civilians -preferably a low value ones. For honor and for our beautiful country of course.
Someone once said in War, the goal is to maximize the number of enemy soldiers that die for their country while minimizing your own losses.
History is full of leaders willing to put their subjects through hell by starting a war that they then loose, a grave price imposed on the peeps, look what it took to make Germany and then Japan to say "uncle".
Attacking Israel the way Hamas did, sending video's out of highlights to enrage them was a "suicide by cop" move at best. The sympathy they hoped for after the expected Israeli counter attack was certainly lessened by the video's of what they did.
Although there are protestors they probably never heard any of the details like the microwave baby, things that make the Hamas attack stand out.
Civilized people don't do that stuff on purpose or be proud of it, the people that supported that stuff aren't much better. period, no excuse.
Two great wars were result of British efforts to save their decaying Empire and had nothing to do with "Uncle" except that the "Uncle" got a glimpse of becoming its successor and forced Japan to war. Such an "Uncle". The "prison break" of October 7th saw the military action of Hamas but also all kind of hateful fractions of Jihad which poured through the fence and engaged in killings. "Microwave children" and rape stories are the works of Israeli propaganda and were never proved. I agree that Hamas did not foresee to what degree USA is willing to support the destruction of Gaza and genocide of civilian population and how willingly will supply Israel with military aid without which that country would not be able to support the war effort for two days not to mention a year or two. Hamas also did not foresee complacency of the rest of western world either. Such things were less impactful when the West was the only game in town and could bomb theritory into submission pretty much without consequences. Those days are gone and we should start to face the music soon enough. Objectively, our alliance with Israel is absolutely worthless. It's a liability without any real profit and strategic importance. It is also the case with Ukraine. A worthless alliance without strategic importance and net gain for the "Uncle".
"nothing to do with "Uncle"
Fwiw, crying uncle is the traditional term that was used when a wrestler gives up ending the match. Extended here to when a country has had enough death and gives up, cry's uncle. While this is how most wars ended, Hamas has not reached that point yet and seems to think things will change for them with more deaths.
Yes pictures, video personal experiences can all be faked, some believe the WW2 Holocaust was fake too and the Jews made all that up too, but that's not my issue. There was enough "residue" left to suggest to anyone looking that something very bad happened and who did it.
Yes your possibly right, it would have been better not to have gotten involved in ww2 even after pearl harbor and let the chips fall where they may.
A lot of people are thinking about that now and what happens next time and is this already next time so why be involved in it at all?.
Sorry for misunderstanding. It's difficult to reason while facing 80 years of hatriot and crimes commited by both sides. There is no solving the issue except "the final solution". See how easy it is to arrive at the idea? To me it is easier to blame sophisticated people over the masses of simple peasants. That's why we blame Germans. Not maybe for the reason they used Jewish community as a scapegoat since every western country did it at one time or another ,but becuase they turned it into modern, mechanized extermination machine with bureaucratic pedantry. That's why I sympathize with Palestinians. Noblesse Oblige and Jewish technocrats and intelligentsia if far away from Noblesse in those matters. At the end this too shall pass.
... for Israel.
NOT the 51st state, eh!?!
Gideon Saar, Israel's foreign minister, actually blamed the U.K., France and Canada for this shooting and there is some evidence that tensions between Israel and Europe may have played a role in the shots fired at the diplomatic tour in the West Bank.
I'm glad.
LowIQ
| FAQ |
Post a Message! |
Forgot Password? |
|
||||||||||||||
|
||||||||||||||
This post is made possible by the generous support of people like you and our sponsors:
Top of Page ]
[ Contact Us ]
[ Support/Wish List ]
[ Copyright © 2025, Audio Asylum, all rights reserved ]
