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Little known fact: The U.S. uses about 18 to 20 MILLION barrels of oil PER DAY.
In unrelated news, Joe Biden's well-thought-out plan to bring down oil prices is to release up to 50 million barrels from the "strategic" oil reserve. That'll cover us for darn near three days.
And for folks interested in the energy sector... Oil producers, refiners, and support companies stocks were higher today.
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I think gas prices should be high.
It's grossly inconvenient, and its the only thing that will provide the motivation for us to adopt fuel-efficient vehicles. I'm guessing gas at $15-$20 per gallon should force our collective hand.
Too much taking things for granted for too long by a society that feels entitled to do so
and then is shocked - SHOCKED! - that there are consequences to their complacency
and lack of foresight.
"Once this was all Black Plasma and Imagination" -Michael McClure
Joe the plumber can't afford $100,000 Teslas and there are not enough 3rd world child labor to mine enough lithium to make that faux pipe dream come true. Not to mention the lack of finite "fossil fuel" lithium.
The green energy scam electric car "tech" is only trading one fossil fuel for another. The only green in green energy scams are the GREEN CA$H taxpayers are being bilked out of.
I would be all over "renewable energy" if is was actually real. If it was renewable and real, it would NOT REQUIRE FORCED SUBSIDIES BY ROBBING TAXPAYERS. The stock market and consumer base would make it happen on its own. That is CLEARLY NOT THE CASE.
They sell Tesla's for $35K. I have a friend that sends me similar incorrect references to how not green, green energy is. You can and should do your own research, what I found was that they were almost entirely wrong. You can start with lithium and see what a small percentage it is of energy storage. And what the projections are.
They still cost $100K without subsidies. Taxpayers are picking up the tab and have since day one. Elon Musk is the largest consumer of corporate welfare in the USA and would be bankrupt a long time ago without it.
If anyone is interested in the actual facts:
https://cleantechnica.com/2020/08/03/tesla-subsidies-how-much/
While they make billions.....
Perish the thought !
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"Once this was all Black Plasma and Imagination" -Michael McClure
Your report has lies of omissions. It states Tesla "only" received $2.1 BILLION in subsidies total.It conveniently omits all of the forced taxpayer funded sales subsidies that historically have ranged from $10-20K/vehicle.
In 2020 alone, that would have been 500,000 x $[10-20],000 or $[5-10] BILLION in additional subsidies omitted/year from your report. $5 BILLION/year is more than twice what your misleading report states that Tesla has received in total.
Multiply that $[5-10] BILLION for every year Tesla sold cars and your report will be little more than thinly veiled green energy scam propaganda.
Anyone can succeed in business if their R&D, development, manufacturing and sales are funded by taxpayers.
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Thank-you for the clarification. I didn't realize that Tesla received the tax credits, all those car buyers must have been really disappointed. And thank-you for the math lesson, $35K + 10/20K = $100,000.
I'm just curious, how do the oil drilling subsidies work? Do the drillers pay the subsidies to the government?
You act as if Tesla doesn't get subsidies for 3rd world child labor lithium mining while hiding the carbon footprint overseas ???All of the off-shored labor does NOT pay US taxes (federal, state, local, corp, employment, etc.). Moving energy (or any) jobs offshore, removes the tax base from the USA.
You fail to indicate that $35+K Tesla was only recently introduced in 2019 and that Tesla has NOT had such offerings for the majority of their existence.
When we first considered them, taxpayer funded purchase incentives were quoted by the salesman to the tune of $25K.
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Do you mean cobalt? Cobalt and lithium are different elements. Not all elements are the same thing, which is why they have different names. It can be confusing, if you do some searches on the internet, it should help to explain it. Just like subsidies paid to an industry and tax credits paid to a consumer, they are different things.
Putting taxpayer money in Tesla's left or right pockets is still putting taxpayer money in Tesla's pockets (even if you are laundering first). Your faux attempt at splitting hairs is mute.
This type of "logic" is synonymous with using a shell company (which is generally illegal) to obfuscate/launder the monetary trail. This "logic" is similar to Mao'Chi lying about paying the CCP-Wuhan-19-Viral-Lab "directly". While "directly" was technically true, he paid a shell company which made the payments on his behalf which equates to the same thing. No difference here, the money ends up in Tesla's pocket(s) in the form of artificially inflated sales profits.
If the taxpayers aren't funding the Tesla's sales incentives, the cars would not be sold in the volumes they have and Telsa would be filing Chapter 11. Simple fact.
As for splitting-hairs over the spelling of the limited fossil-fuel supply of battery raw materials mined overseas, that is another feeble attempt at obfuscation. Same issues apply irrespective of the spelling.
It is off shored. It is in limited supply. It is NOT renewable. It is not green. It's carbon footprint is hidden in 3rd world countries. The tax base is moved out of the USA's economy.
moot
/moÍžot/
adjective
adjective: moot
1.
subject to debate, dispute, or uncertainty.
"whether they had been successful or not was a moot point"
2.
having little or no practical relevance, typically because the subject is too uncertain to allow a decision.
"the whole matter is becoming increasingly moot"
I am glad spelling was your sole take away from the post.
Great attention to irrelevant details.
I find most of your posts either irrelevant or poorly researched so the spelling is really the only part that would hold someone's interest.
You are right in that I don't acquire my research data from Chris Cuomo, Don Lemon and The View.
I search out more reputable sources of information that consistently appear to upset lefties when they realize they have been lied to or just get upset and refuse because they are in denial.
Again, everything was accurate and omitted by fredtr's posts praising green energy scams.
BONUS points post of the day!!!!!!
"Once this was all Black Plasma and Imagination" -Michael McClure
I can see what you mean but not necessarily FULLY agree.
Tax breaks given TO consumers who purchase some things DOES filter back to the manufacturer of whatever in question. It is NOT a 'MOOT' point.
Too much is never enough
I periodically get these taxpayer funded "green energy incentives" to replace various appliances, windows, insulation, etc., but there is always a catch.
These offers require buying from and paying "approved installers" to do the work which shows the system is NOT about energy conservation, but kickbacks to special privileged interests. The taxpayers are bilked and the money goes to the chosen few, not back to the taxpayers as it should.
I am totally capable of installing insulation, windows, appliances, etc. and cutting out the middlemen kickback recipients.
Some of the "energy efficient" appliances are truly NOT "energy efficient". They are "energy displacement designs" (read: 3 Card Monty) to reach energy compliance standards for the specific device, but not the system as a whole.
I installed a new "energy efficient/displacement" dishwasher only to discover it no longer heats water like the old workhorse did. It displaced the heating functionality onto the water heater (like hiding carbon footprints overseas, energy consumption is still there, just hidden under the 3-Card-Monty). If the water in the pipes isn't immediately hot, it locks up in a "cold water" error mode requiring a $100 service call to punch in the unpublished magic reset codes. It also means running the hot water line before starting the dishwasher to clear out 100 feet of pipe from the water heater and wasting that 100 foot of water - or - installing a hot water circulating pump and wasting electricity to keep the hot water line charged.
The "energy efficiency" rating is a misnomer.
...of high fuel prices.Much of the US is inaccessible without a vehicle--regardless of fuel-efficiency. Public transportation sucks (or doesn't exist), and we supposedly want people to go to work and school--right?. Most people don't just go out "joy-riding" to burn fuel.
Pretty much everything you need/want/buy has to be transported--either to your local stores, or via home-delivery. Transportation costs are ALWAYS immediately passed-on to the consumer. Even if you've never owned a vehicle, and walk to the corner store, the cost of EVERYTHING on the shelf will go UP.
This also "targets" low and middle-income households the most. These are the folks that can't afford a new(er), more fuel-efficient vehicle (or EV), and will be hit the hardest by across-the-board price-hikes on even the most basic of necessities. And it's a "double-whammy"--you spend more to drive to and from work, end-up with less money, and then have to pay more for everything with what's left? Ghost doesn't mind, but he DOES drive his car nearly every day to go ride his bikes?--and it's not a new Prius or Tesla. Just wasted fuel for personal pleasure.
Meanwhile, my local food-bank has already seen a 29% increase in their costs to provide for those in-need over the holidays. Enjoy your $10/gal gas prices--AND your $20-trip to the local store for a gallon of milk and a loaf of bread.
EDIT/ADDITION--don't forget that the folks that donate to these charities (like the food-banks) won't have the money to continue to support them, since they can't afford their own commutes/groceries.
"So I talk to the night, I head for the light, try and hold it on the road. Thank God for the man who put
the white lines on the highway"--a very dear friend for decades Michael Stanley (Gee)--RIP
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