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In Reply to: RE: LP vs Digital posted by Ozzie on March 17, 2024 at 15:24:39
But I believe there's a point of convergence between the best digital and the best analog. I've heard some digital at audio shows that I could easily live with. Even my current DAC is more than up to the challenge of equalling most vinyl. And when you consider that I don't have to clean vinyl and care for it all the time, it's a bonus.
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however, vinyl is still more convincing. don't get me wrong, when I bought a Sony NS500V SACD player ($169 new/sealed delivered when it was discontinued and a store sold me an open box for $200 that had the wrong remote. quickly returned for refund), not only did SACDs sound great, but all of my CDs sounded better by far due to filtration an upsampled frequency.
then, a copy of the MOFI Blues in Orbit by Duke Ellington was being circulated among some of us inmates by mail. being out of print, the then-current price was $100. i acquired a Classic Records Reissue of it for $30 so I A/B-ed them and as good as the SACD was (truly excellent), the LP beat it out by a small margin.
i agree that digital done right is as engaging as can be but "something" about LPs is more captivating.
...regards...tr
Most of my listening is classical. IMHO, vinyl is not a good medium for classical. Background noise is too high, dynamic range is too limited, distortion levels are too high. No amount of "yes, but" will change the science behind the measured deltas with the two mediums. Early digital had lots of issues, especially with treble. Digital has made significant advancements over the years. By comparison, vinyl hasn't. For me, the switch to digital years ago was an easy one. No regrets.
As one who owned high end vinyl rigs for years, I get why some people prefer vinyl. It's a similar vibe to tube gear. Some music genres sound great with vinyl. Old time blues, rock, pop have a certain pleasant nostalgia with vinyl. IMHO, classical music is NOT one of the genres that works well with vinyl.
The most important aspect of this madding hobby is to just enjoy music, regardless of source, electronics, or transducers used.
" Don't look back. Something may be gaining on you"
Satchel Paige
I think that one of the "push-backs" of all-digital is the clarity which is presented. As a musician having performed in hundreds of concerts and thousands of classes and rehearsals, I am sometimes irritated by the clarity of the trombones behind me. I don't hear that clarity on most vinyl reproduction. Does that make "vinyl" "better"?
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You sir, may be onto something. Clarity to me is paramount, as I'm hyper sensitive to any distortion. With rock, one expects some distortion. Do not expect any for classical, or big band for that matter.
" Don't look back. Something may be gaining on you"
Satchel Paige
Nope, The tube amps all distort. Distortion is part of the genre. Musicians use distortion to their advantage. Many live rock concerts have some level of distortion at the event.
" Don't look back. Something may be gaining on you"
Satchel Paige
...distorted guitar from a guitar AMP is not the end result of recording distortion, and that's the original tone from the guitar into and through the distorting amp. Creating said distortion is an ART especially with good fingers and using the resulting tone in its totality.
People say things like you just did too frequently and I'm going to take your feet into the fire for that careless remark. A good home audio system should not 'DISTORT" or impart additional distortion, period.
People throw around words like distortion far to carelessly, so wise up. You started this and I objected - the ruling is final.
You read far too much into the remark. There are a lot of live recordings of rock where there is distortion. Not always easy to discern the source of distortion (recording or playback).The point was that with some rock recordings, one may expect a certain low level of distortion characteristics, especially if it is a live recording. It's a consequence of the genre, not the playback system.
Of course a good audio system should not distort. Most people would understand the remark in its intended consequence.
" Don't look back. Something may be gaining on you"
Satchel Paige
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