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In Reply to: RE: Are you serious? posted by Ivan303 on April 18, 2019 at 21:00:00
"it's simply not audible".I though I made it clear I don't believe that! I am saying in theory it could happen to the point of audibility.
And above you admitted you are not an electrical engineer. So why are you arguing with the theory?
Yes, noise on input signals, even power signals CAN show up on the device output signal. Do you have any idea of how RFI manifests it's self? Isn't that one of the things Mr. Swenson is claiming?
What you don't understand is that the RFI doesn't "pass through" the conversion circuitry. It "broadcasts" all over the circuit board and through power and high impedance ground wiring. That's were shielding and careful low level analog circuit design comes in
But in reality, in a consumer audio product, they generally don't and therefore why do we need these silly isolation boxes?
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"Perhaps more than any other discipline, audio engineering involves not only purely objective characterization but also subjective interpretations. It is the listening experience, that personal and most private sensation, which is the intended result of our labors in audio engineering. No technical measurement, however glorified with mathematics, can escape that fact."
Richard C. Heyser
You are in way over your head if you want to advance your premise.
The Mind has No Firewall~ U.S. Army War College.
You just don't seem to understand what he is actually saying.He is saying that science and engineering are certainly involved in the design of audio gear. There really is no other way.
But that a listening session is also part of the test suite. And if the listening test fails, then the engineering really doesn't matter.
Well yeah! But I have always found that by following the rules and laws of electrical engineering, audio gear doesn't sound bad. The math works.
And I propose that if the listening test fails across a diverse set of subjects, necessary to remove any bias, then I think we will find that the engineering is in fact in error.
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Hah hah ha......
Like as if it's such a great complex mystery. And, Electrical Engineers are just so amazing....
Many designers of top grade gear, design as they go, not knowing where they'll end up with the final sound. There are a wide variety of variations that can cause significant differences in final performance.
These "laws" as you call them are so rudimentary that yes, - obviously, - any EE or gear designer is going to follow them are, (an amp for example), - will not work.
""He is saying that science and engineering are certainly involved in the design of audio gear. There really is no other way.""
Of course this is true.
""But if the listening test fails."
Like if there's no sound produced? Or the amp/speakers blow up? ha ha...
Tell us, - how can a listening test fail? It's almost as if there's somehow a "right" and a "wrong" here. Tell me, - are deploying tubes in an input stage of a hybrid amplifier "bad" engineering in your mind?
LOL....
"Asylums with doors open wide,
Where people had paid to see inside,
For entertainment they watch his body twist
Behind his eyes he says, 'I still exist.'"
You are confusing technical performance with personal taste. Nobody can define what sounds good to another persons's ears. I don't see where any objectivist ever said that in an audio discussion.
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You are confusing the speculations of engineers with evidence....
""You are confusing technical performance with personal taste. Nobody can define what sounds good to another persons's ears.""
To a large degree, everything is idiosyncratic. And, both technical performance and personal taste can and do merge into the same thing. But there are people, (who have every legitimate right) to buy a system that "sweetens the violins:" (for example). But people's personal tastes also change over time.
In many ways measured technical performance of SS amps better tube amps, - but those tube amps may actually sound more accurate and therefore perform better.
Both Sony amps and Lamm amps are well engineered. But you'd have to put some pretty shitty speakers connected to Lamms to have them perform at the same crappy level as the Sony.
"Asylums with doors open wide,
Where people had paid to see inside,
For entertainment they watch his body twist
Behind his eyes he says, 'I still exist.'"
er, no... that is NOT what Heyser said...The listening experience is the final arbiter IS what he said.
Perhaps you need more listening experience {I do not know}
For me, music is not some dry communique.
"Well yeah! But I have always found that by following the rules and laws of electrical engineering, audio gear doesn't sound bad"
Vanishingly low distortion during the 70's and 80's produced some of the most God awful dreck but measured outstanding. You fail to understand that here and now in 2019 we still don't know WHAT to measure in order to explain why measurements do NOT always correlate to good sound
I have owned hundreds of thousands of dollars of equipment over the years... far beyond most hi-fi enthusiasts and the amps I build for myself are head and shoulders above 98 percent of what is out there.Perhaps, you do not grasp that everyone hears differently.
Richard C. Heyser surely knew that.
The Mind has No Firewall~ U.S. Army War College.
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"Asylums with doors open wide,
Where people had paid to see inside,
For entertainment they watch his body twist
Behind his eyes he says, 'I still exist.'"
One of the worst sounding, actually two of the worst sounding digital cables that are supposedly "no-nonsense" pro audio cables I've ever experienced are the Canare DA202 and DA206 AES/EBU digital cables terminated with either gold or silver Neutrik pro audio XLR connectors. While it's safe to assume that the cables measured within spec as determined by pro audio standards, it's obvious that there are unmeasurable issues involved in how a cable actually sounds when placed within an audiophile system, and how it performs on paper and perhaps perceived as placed in a typical pro audio system.
This is not to claim that all pro audio cables are poor performers when placed within a typical audiophile system, since I'm currently working with two other very good sounding pro audio cables and pro audio XLR connectors that sound notably superior to the Canare/Neutrik builds for an audiophile application. That said, if cables don't make a difference, and pro audio cables of any make/model and type are more than sufficient, then it's curious as to why are there such divergent sonic signatures and performance levels involved in what is considered objective standards, which are said be unquestionable as to the veracity of pro audio cables being as good as it gets.
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I think I did say exactly that!"And if the listening test fails, then the engineering really doesn't matter." [Gusser]
And I never said everyone hears the same! Who ever did?
But you need to consider we don't hear only with our ears. We hear with our brains. And that brain is highly subject to other influences. This is well proven.
Placebo effect, expectation bias is very real. That's why we have DBT. Now some claim DBT is not perfect either and perhaps it's not. But it's certainly more reliable than listening tests where all the parameters are fully disclosed before hand.
You build tube amps. Tube amps are simple circuits and very wide tolerance. Now can you build a state of the art DC coupled SS amp just from part data sheets. No schematic to follow, just data sheets. Try to do that without resorting to math and EE principles!
As for the 70s and 80s, what about the SS amps of the 60s? And we still have bad audio products today. Point is every decade had good and bad audio components. I still use Haflers of the early 80s. These were good amps. Not everything back then was junk.
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Time to get off your high horse and stop accusing intelligent audiophiles with the typical insult of delusional perception of differences due to cabling when evaluating their carefully configured audio systems, gusser. Like the majority of cable naysayers, you choose by an act of personal will rather than intensive personal experimentation to find-out what audiophiles are actually hearing instead of such scurrilous downplaying of what is an adventurous discovery for multitudes of listeners over the course of many decades now. How dare you accuse me of being a foolish listener, or somehow a potentially lesser evaluator for not knowing what I actually experience when listening to an audio system.
I've come to loose any objective respect I once had towards you as a professional in broadcasting, and now see you more as a petty condescender who cares more about ridiculing others as a self-centered supremacist rather than that of a truth seeker. I wish I could see you as simply someone with a different opinion than others, but your perspective has far more to do with social judgment of individual persons and their capacity to evaluate cables rather than that of insightful criticism. Perhaps you'd like those who enjoy better audio via audiophile cables to wake-up and stop being hypnotized by cables that you consider to be pure snake oil, but I'm far more experienced than that kind of backasswards notion.
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"Now can you build a state of the art DC coupled SS amp just from part data sheets. No schematic to follow, just data sheets"Precisely where you fall short. This approach being a modified version of Monday morning armchair quarterback. Empirical approaches remain superior to direct coupled circuits with a constant eye toward lower distortion being your lightning rod. The link below will show you am well aware of some gentlemen whom ARE aware of the SS shortcomings. Interesting to me that some of that best sounding SS were just crude renditions of time worn tube topologies sans direct coupling. Still, you and others refuse to accept we STILL do not know what to measure. I remain amused by those whom tout SS and all it's superior manifestation and ignore that compression drivers {in speakers}remain TODAY with distortion levels 10 times lower than cone and dome speakers. Logical progression... many whom like horn speakers also have an affinity for panel speakers... again that superior distortion characteristic of panel and horn speakers make them kindred.
If you are so adamant about cutting edge superior sound, am sure you use either panel or horn speakers recognizing their superior distortion characteristics across the board {which ARE incontrovertible}.
Or perhaps you just listen differently.
The Mind has No Firewall~ U.S. Army War College.
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"Asylums with doors open wide,
Where people had paid to see inside,
For entertainment they watch his body twist
Behind his eyes he says, 'I still exist.'"
It's not about SS amp distortion in the thousands of percent. And I am quite aware of speaker distortion. Funny as you use that to support your argument yet seem to ignore that fact when it comes to USB cables sounding different.Let's see speaker distortion is enough to make ultra low distortion amps unnecessary yet the micro distortions that could possibly result from cable induced jitter or noise coupling do matter?
As for my point. You seem to be discounting formal electrical engineering in the design of audio gear. Just slap some parts together and if it sounds good, that's proof engineering principles need not be adhered to? Yes, you can do that to some extent on a tube amp. But try to build a DC SS amp that way. You are going to waste a fortune in blown transistors! To design a DC SS power amps requires the application of formal electrical engineering principles. There is far too much circuit interaction involved to "wing it". You need to do the analysis and math.
Hence anybody saying electrical engineering is not part of audio component design is absurd!
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Obviously you did not read the link, I know not if is over you head but is cogent to the topic. Different geometric windings effect sound transmission and in turn affect our enjoyment. You side stepped the glaring fact of drivers having far more influence on sound than the electronics involved. The irony is you are arguing a case you don't even believe. One has to spend far more on SS to even approach the resolution of tube gear (done right). If YOU cannot hear what am talking about then perhaps your cones and domes are providing too much euphoric distortion... In other words you might not be able to hear the difference.
The Mind has No Firewall~ U.S. Army War College.
"You side stepped the glaring fact of drivers having far more influence on sound than the electronics involved"
And FWEIW, I happen to agree!
My point was one cannot design a modern SS amp without the use of electrical engineering principles.
The initial argument above was that electronics is not important as long as it sounds good. How about reliability to start with?
which often are so stupidly rudimentary that it's simply not a factor....
"Asylums with doors open wide,
Where people had paid to see inside,
For entertainment they watch his body twist
Behind his eyes he says, 'I still exist.'"
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My point was one cannot design a modern SS amp without the use of electrical engineering principles" er, that was a given save for matters not whether Solid scrape or hollow state. Well, reliability thus far is, of the 11 amps I have built in the last 10 years not one has went south whatsoever, I find tube gear more reliable than SS but that is not fair as no one is building kit with a such brute force as mine. When You build for yourself one is not constrained by profit margins. Here is the last one I built as a thought experiment {can I build a P/P tube amp that sounds as good as Single ended Triode ... directly heated? the answer was; No.
The Mind has No Firewall~ U.S. Army War College.
I said nothing of your engineering capabilities. Obviously you have those skills.
I was referring to the other poster who chooses to diss engineering as a scientific practice.
"I was referring to the other poster who chooses to diss engineering as a scientific practice."
I was referring to a few EEs like yourself whose unresearched and un-educated opinion outside of any sort of investigation is not as good as ACTUAL testing.
Just like if you said that it's impossible for raw fish to taste good because "I am an electrical engineer." Your credentials or training doesn't matter re: sushi. You have to TRY it!
Your OPINIONS and SPECULATIONS on what is an effective product design in the audio industry have no value to anyone but yourself.
Your opinions to judge the EFFICACY of a product have no correlation with your experience and credentials as an electrical engineer.
The BEST judge of the efficacy of the these products is ONLY the (comparative) experience as a LISTENER to these products.
If you say that these products are poorly designed from an electrical engineering perspective, - then you should point out specifically how and where, (in detail), - this is true.
"Asylums with doors open wide,
Where people had paid to see inside,
For entertainment they watch his body twist
Behind his eyes he says, 'I still exist.'"
"I was referring to a few EEs like yourself....""I don't buy that you're a professional EE . I think that you're perhaps a low level radio studio gopher intern who takes lunch orders & goes out on hourly Starbucks runs"
What about you? Interesting you challenge all my recent posts except for the one where you challenged me to outline my system.
I disclosed my true identity in that post, where I work, other accomplishments. Again you have given us nothing but talk. We know nothing about you nor do we have any ability to find out! Yeah it's easy to throw insults around when you hide behind a moniker.
Let the evidence speak for it's self.
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Neither you or nor anyone else has an "authority" because of your credentials.
Your authority or expertise comes from not who you are but from your testing and results...
I have much more experience than you, and therefore my claims, (as well as the other testers of the products).
Your credentials as an EE do not matter as much as you (comparative) listening to the product.
Anyone's engineering knowledge, experience, or training is IN A DIFFERENT AREA than judging the efficacy of the product.
Anyways, - as you admit, - these products are very effective. So, - I guess that's about all I can hope for here.....
And, - it's looking like John's tools are almost done, - so we'll see what happens when you get those measurements. But, - I'd also be willing to bet that you'll not stop with the insults and referring to John as "so-called" engineer.
"Asylums with doors open wide,
Where people had paid to see inside,
For entertainment they watch his body twist
Behind his eyes he says, 'I still exist.'"
Who said I had any authority here?I am asking for proof of John Swensons claims of audible improvement. If that is insulting, then he certainly has something to hide.
Where are the published credentials? Show us! I showed you mine if you bother to do the research.
Again who are you? You claim more experience than me in this hobby. Show it! I have. What about you? When was the last time you swept your listening room? What acoustic treatments do you employ? You're all about how it sounds. What is your listening environment? At least I'm not speculating on that as you did with me.
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""Who said I had any authority here?"'
Either you, or the other naysayers that you're citing as authority figures.
"Where are the published credentials?"
From whom and why? Why are you on about published credentials? What's more important a person's opinion or demonstrable science? Why do you trust a preacher over hard test results?
Why would electronic engineer designs toy barking dogs (who does no testing) carry a higher opinion than a comparative listener WHO IS ACTUALLY TESTING the products in their house? Or, - in the medical industry where the devices are actually deployed????
""I have.""
No you haven't. Please, - publish your listening results of the iso-regen in your system with a DBT or any testing whatsover. Also, - you have not demonstrated at all where you've compared the Intona galvanic isolator with the isoRegen or Audioquest jitterbug.
"Asylums with doors open wide,
Where people had paid to see inside,
For entertainment they watch his body twist
Behind his eyes he says, 'I still exist.'"
You keep dodging your foolish post above where you asked if if even own a CD player. Clearly I am in a better position to evaluate any audio or video product than you could hope for.What is your listening environment? Is it calibrated? Mine is and I can show you the sweeps.
Barring that I have access to pro facilities with very deep pockets.
You are the one defending John Swenson's credentials based on I don't know what. I asked for some documentation to back up and you can't provide it?
To say I am not capable of evaluating these products is absurd. Anybody else here can see that based on the evidence I posted.
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""You keep dodging your foolish post above where you asked if if even own a CD player""
You keep dodging your foolish post that these products suck, - even though you know nothing about them, haven't seen, haven't tested them, and are insulting the people that make them, (saying that they are bad engineers), and the people who have thoroughly tested and used the items and are now enjoying a much better listening experience because of them.
""Clearly I am in a better position to evaluate any audio or video product than you could hope for."
LOL, - that is probably the biggest bit of ridiculousness you've posted here.
""You are the one defending John Swenson's credentials based on I don't know what.""
Coming down to your level, - for the sake of demonstrating that CREDENTIALS DON'T MATTER. It's John's work that matters.
""I asked for some documentation to back up and you can't provide it?"
on what? why? Again, - you are making a claim, - I am repeating and corroborating the claims of others. You were also making a claim about the Intona, - until i showed you that you are so ignorant of these products that you didn't know about them.
""You are the one defending John Swenson's credentials based on I don't know what.""
That is not true. I am defending his work, - because it is good. He makes great products. I am sorry that you are too closed minded to try any, - you might like sushi, - if you'd just try it.
""Barring that I have access to pro facilities with very deep pockets.""
So what? Why waste time writing that valueless sentence....???
""To say I am not capable of evaluating these products is absurd.""
That is a lie. I would never say that. I said that you are unwilling to evaluate them, - and remaining in ignorance is (sadly) far worse. But it doesn't end there, not only are you espousing and staying in ignorance, - but you out of that ignorance, you are unjustly insulting the people who design, manufacture, and deploy these highly effective, and excellent products....
""Anybody else here can see that based on the evidence I posted""
You have not posted ONE TINY BIT OF EVIDENCE!!!
"Asylums with doors open wide,
Where people had paid to see inside,
For entertainment they watch his body twist
Behind his eyes he says, 'I still exist.'"
More babbling on!You challenged me to my capabilities and qualifications to evaluate these products.
I produced that. Now you act as if it doesn't exist. You think you are the only person here that can read these posts?
As far as you have shown us you are an armature audiophile. You have no formal background in this technology and no ability to do anything more than a personal listening test.
And you continue to babble on here hiding behind a forum moniker. I have disclosed mt full background for anybody the research and verify.
I think it's pretty cowardly to continue these attacks hiding behind a shield as you do.
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More babbling on!
I know, - I think that we'd all be grateful if you quit.....
"You challenged me to my capabilities and qualifications to evaluate these products."
No, - I challenged the fact that you are stubbornly, outside reason, and outside science: completely UNWILLING to evaluate them. And there are ZERO qualifications for an effective evaluation of the products.
""As far as you have shown us you are an armature audiophile""
What is an armature audiophile? That's a new one....
"" 2a : a piece of soft iron or steel that connects the poles of a magnet or of adjacent magnets
b : a usually rotating part of an electric machine (such as a generator or motor) which consists essentially of coils of wire around a metal core and in which electric current is induced or in which the input current interacts with a magnetic field to produce torque
c : the movable part of an electromagnetic device (such as a loudspeaker)
d : a framework used by a sculptor to support a figure""
""I have disclosed mt full background for anybody the research and verify."
Why would anyone bother? As I've repeated too many times, your background (especially in another area) doesn't mean that you have anything at all to to contribute to the efficacy of the products in question, - especially because you are conducting no tests, - and just repeating the claims of others who are at least testing...
""I think it's pretty cowardly to continue these attacks hiding behind a shield as you do.""
Says the ignorant naysayer who is making claims about products, insulting the designers, the users of the products: and is completely unwilling to test, research, or investigate the products in any way whatsoover.
Now that is the ultimate cowardice.
"Asylums with doors open wide,
Where people had paid to see inside,
For entertainment they watch his body twist
Behind his eyes he says, 'I still exist.'"
"Why would anyone bother? As I've repeated too many times, your background (especially in another area) doesn't mean that you have anything at all to to contribute to the efficacy of the products in question, - especially because you are conducting no tests, - and just repeating the claims of others who are at least testing..."
So the design of broadcast and mastering facilities as well as design of specific hardware for that industry does not qualify one to judge home audio equipment?
What do you play or watch on your great home system? Where does it come from? You think these large facilities don't have issues with electrical noise problems.
If that wasn't enough I practice this as a hobby as well as everyone else here. I have provided a link to my home system. That should be quite clear I understand this technology as it relates to consumer use but on a much larger scale. My system utilizes 22 channels of AES audio. That means 11 AES lines. And they have to be distributed through active splitters to the many audio computer systems I use for real time measurement. Yet you think I don't know about what is required for a simply USB transport to DAC link. Remember I built the Atmos processor using MiniDSP cards. All interconnected via I2S.
You were the one who challenged me to disclose my home system obviously in the hopes of belittling it. Well I did and among with that a plethora of my background with more than enough information for anyone to check out.
What have you shown us here. What about your system? Show us some accomplishments in this hobby sector you have produced?
So the design of broadcast and mastering facilities as well as design of specific hardware for that industry does not qualify one to judge home audio equipment?
Absolutely CORRECT, - now you're getting it. The performance goals of home audio gear are entirely different....
"What do you play or watch on your great home system?"
I never said that I have a great system, - but others have. I have over 40,000 songs. I listen to a lot of different things. Digital Files vary in recording quality, - just like everything/everybody else. I also have about 1600 CDs and 60 or so high-rez discs in SACD/DVD-A. But I'm not sure why you're asking.
""You were the one who challenged me to disclose my home system obviously in the hopes of belittling it.""
Wrong!! I was curious as to what it was, as it could be a system where the products that you're making claims would, or would not be effective. Obviously, - if you do not have a computer (or digital file playback device), - it would be particularly damning if you were asserting that the USB device was ineffective, - when you don't even do computer file playback in your system.
""You think these large facilities don't have issues with electrical noise problems.""
??? what kind of crazy stuff are you saying with the above?
""I have provided a link to my home system.""
Was that a youtube video? Can't you just list it? It's not in your bio here....At one point, - this used to be an audiophile website....
""Show us some accomplishments in this hobby sector you have produced?""
As above, my system, my "accomplishments" are not what is at issue. I am not unreasonably judging any products that I've tested, heard, compared, etc. I claim to have knowledge of something that i don't know about, - unlike yourself.....
1. You are making a claim about something that you haven't heard, have no experience with: solely on the basis of a set of cult-of-personality based on training and experience in another, - unrelated field of study. And this is not only about listening experiences, - (the best test to take you out of ignorance), - but you're even refusing to investigate the internal components and parts that make up the devices, and even gather ANY evidence including measurements. After all you could get specific and cite the fact that LPS-1.2 now has LT3045 regulator chokes, and you can cite some experience that you've had with LT3045 chokes, - as to their contribution.
These products are NOT DESIGNED for the audio/video/industrial BROADCAST Industry. They are not designed for the recording mastering industry, they are not designed for recording studios.
2. Everyone here sees that as ignorance. But worse, - you're insulting the designers of these products, as though they were somehow charlatans, - on the basis of your ignorance and lack of research.
This isn't about me. I am just one of the hundreds of people who have found these products to be very effective. I am sure that my testing and research is better than some, but worse than others. But I have a ton more experience with THE ACTUAL devices than yours.
By the way, - I would say the exact same thing to Ed Meitner or Vladimer Lamm, or Albert Von Schweikert if they tried to assert some ridiculous, - and "trust me I'm a broadcast engineer" "authoritarian" statements about these COMPUTING + AUDIO devices.
yes, - these devices are designed for BOTH computer audio and home audio.
So, let me ask you, - do the very fine Tannoy studio monitors sound the same as Tannoy home audio monitors?
"Asylums with doors open wide,
Where people had paid to see inside,
For entertainment they watch his body twist
Behind his eyes he says, 'I still exist.'"
You think that consumer audio is some special area. Wrong, it's a direct sub set of broadcast and mastering. Avonics would be an example which you suggest but not consumer audio.
You are fixated on the fact that I have not evaluated a specific product, that I know nothing of the underlying technology. That to spite the fact the products designer discloses his theory behind the design in detail. And competent EE can summarize from that what he is trying to sell.
Now you ask me if I have used a certain voltage regulator chip obviously because you read that in John's blog. I have used countless regulator typologies over the years from discrete to SMPS designs. What is this fixation on a single chip? It probably sounds impressive to you but to me it's just another of the literally thousands of regulator chips any EE can chose from these days. Just look at the Digikey or Newark webpage and type in "regulator IC"
What's wrong with a YouTube video, an award video BTW? It goes into much more detail than some equipment list. I have extensive with digital audio. That should be obvious.
I do this stuff professionally. And on a much larger scale than these garage audio trinket vendors. Furthermore I extend that scale to my home system as well.
You can keep your head in the sand but not too many people are going to see this your way in light in my disclosures here. Claiming I know little about digital audio is just barking in the wind.
And you are still hiding behind a moniker. What's the problem? What are you afraid of disclosing?
THIS IS NOT CONSUMER AUDIO, - how many times does it have to be written?
""Wrong, it's a direct sub set of broadcast and mastering.""
HAHAHAHAHAAH.....that was beyond asinine!!
High performance audio playback has one goal and purpose, - to faithfully reproduce a recorded work.
""What is this fixation on a single chip? "
You call me citing an example of the lt3045 as a fixation?"
It is not, - and I used it as an example to show that you're criticizing something that you haven't heard.
You haven't even ever said that you don't need to hear it to know what it does to your system or sounds like, - thank goodness for that....
""I do this stuff professionally.""
You've already said that you do NOT listen and compare high-end audio products professionally,- because you are a professional in AN UNRELATED FIELD, - you ASSUME that you can JUDGE SOMETHING without knowing anything at all about it???
Now that is the height of pompous cluelessness....
""And on a much larger scale than these garage audio trinket vendors""
Even more unrelated to the subject at hand....
""You can keep your head in the sand but not too many people are going to see this your way in light in my disclosures here""
Care to take a poll? (oh that's right, you don't do evidence).
""And you are still hiding behind a moniker. What's the problem? What are you afraid of disclosing?""
not about me, how many times does it have to be said. I don't make claims about things that I don't know about..... I don't see any "name" behind gusser....
"Asylums with doors open wide,
Where people had paid to see inside,
For entertainment they watch his body twist
Behind his eyes he says, 'I still exist.'"
Once again i have fully disclosed my background here in that video.
I have nothing to hide.
Until you do the same, you have no credibility. Just another forum ghost.
it seems that no one has any credibility.
From your posts, - self examination seems to be your strongest trait....
:-) :-) :-)
Cheers,
"Asylums with doors open wide,
Where people had paid to see inside,
For entertainment they watch his body twist
Behind his eyes he says, 'I still exist.'"
Again disclose your background. Otherwise you have no credibility to question mine which I have disclosed. It's just that simple!
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