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In Reply to: RE: I never said that! posted by gusser on April 20, 2019 at 17:09:17
My point was one cannot design a modern SS amp without the use of electrical engineering principles" er, that was a given save for matters not whether Solid scrape or hollow state. Well, reliability thus far is, of the 11 amps I have built in the last 10 years not one has went south whatsoever, I find tube gear more reliable than SS but that is not fair as no one is building kit with a such brute force as mine. When You build for yourself one is not constrained by profit margins. Here is the last one I built as a thought experiment {can I build a P/P tube amp that sounds as good as Single ended Triode ... directly heated? the answer was; No.
The Mind has No Firewall~ U.S. Army War College.
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I said nothing of your engineering capabilities. Obviously you have those skills.
I was referring to the other poster who chooses to diss engineering as a scientific practice.
"I was referring to the other poster who chooses to diss engineering as a scientific practice."
I was referring to a few EEs like yourself whose unresearched and un-educated opinion outside of any sort of investigation is not as good as ACTUAL testing.
Just like if you said that it's impossible for raw fish to taste good because "I am an electrical engineer." Your credentials or training doesn't matter re: sushi. You have to TRY it!
Your OPINIONS and SPECULATIONS on what is an effective product design in the audio industry have no value to anyone but yourself.
Your opinions to judge the EFFICACY of a product have no correlation with your experience and credentials as an electrical engineer.
The BEST judge of the efficacy of the these products is ONLY the (comparative) experience as a LISTENER to these products.
If you say that these products are poorly designed from an electrical engineering perspective, - then you should point out specifically how and where, (in detail), - this is true.
"Asylums with doors open wide,
Where people had paid to see inside,
For entertainment they watch his body twist
Behind his eyes he says, 'I still exist.'"
"I was referring to a few EEs like yourself....""I don't buy that you're a professional EE . I think that you're perhaps a low level radio studio gopher intern who takes lunch orders & goes out on hourly Starbucks runs"
What about you? Interesting you challenge all my recent posts except for the one where you challenged me to outline my system.
I disclosed my true identity in that post, where I work, other accomplishments. Again you have given us nothing but talk. We know nothing about you nor do we have any ability to find out! Yeah it's easy to throw insults around when you hide behind a moniker.
Let the evidence speak for it's self.
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Neither you or nor anyone else has an "authority" because of your credentials.
Your authority or expertise comes from not who you are but from your testing and results...
I have much more experience than you, and therefore my claims, (as well as the other testers of the products).
Your credentials as an EE do not matter as much as you (comparative) listening to the product.
Anyone's engineering knowledge, experience, or training is IN A DIFFERENT AREA than judging the efficacy of the product.
Anyways, - as you admit, - these products are very effective. So, - I guess that's about all I can hope for here.....
And, - it's looking like John's tools are almost done, - so we'll see what happens when you get those measurements. But, - I'd also be willing to bet that you'll not stop with the insults and referring to John as "so-called" engineer.
"Asylums with doors open wide,
Where people had paid to see inside,
For entertainment they watch his body twist
Behind his eyes he says, 'I still exist.'"
Who said I had any authority here?I am asking for proof of John Swensons claims of audible improvement. If that is insulting, then he certainly has something to hide.
Where are the published credentials? Show us! I showed you mine if you bother to do the research.
Again who are you? You claim more experience than me in this hobby. Show it! I have. What about you? When was the last time you swept your listening room? What acoustic treatments do you employ? You're all about how it sounds. What is your listening environment? At least I'm not speculating on that as you did with me.
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""Who said I had any authority here?"'
Either you, or the other naysayers that you're citing as authority figures.
"Where are the published credentials?"
From whom and why? Why are you on about published credentials? What's more important a person's opinion or demonstrable science? Why do you trust a preacher over hard test results?
Why would electronic engineer designs toy barking dogs (who does no testing) carry a higher opinion than a comparative listener WHO IS ACTUALLY TESTING the products in their house? Or, - in the medical industry where the devices are actually deployed????
""I have.""
No you haven't. Please, - publish your listening results of the iso-regen in your system with a DBT or any testing whatsover. Also, - you have not demonstrated at all where you've compared the Intona galvanic isolator with the isoRegen or Audioquest jitterbug.
"Asylums with doors open wide,
Where people had paid to see inside,
For entertainment they watch his body twist
Behind his eyes he says, 'I still exist.'"
You keep dodging your foolish post above where you asked if if even own a CD player. Clearly I am in a better position to evaluate any audio or video product than you could hope for.What is your listening environment? Is it calibrated? Mine is and I can show you the sweeps.
Barring that I have access to pro facilities with very deep pockets.
You are the one defending John Swenson's credentials based on I don't know what. I asked for some documentation to back up and you can't provide it?
To say I am not capable of evaluating these products is absurd. Anybody else here can see that based on the evidence I posted.
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""You keep dodging your foolish post above where you asked if if even own a CD player""
You keep dodging your foolish post that these products suck, - even though you know nothing about them, haven't seen, haven't tested them, and are insulting the people that make them, (saying that they are bad engineers), and the people who have thoroughly tested and used the items and are now enjoying a much better listening experience because of them.
""Clearly I am in a better position to evaluate any audio or video product than you could hope for."
LOL, - that is probably the biggest bit of ridiculousness you've posted here.
""You are the one defending John Swenson's credentials based on I don't know what.""
Coming down to your level, - for the sake of demonstrating that CREDENTIALS DON'T MATTER. It's John's work that matters.
""I asked for some documentation to back up and you can't provide it?"
on what? why? Again, - you are making a claim, - I am repeating and corroborating the claims of others. You were also making a claim about the Intona, - until i showed you that you are so ignorant of these products that you didn't know about them.
""You are the one defending John Swenson's credentials based on I don't know what.""
That is not true. I am defending his work, - because it is good. He makes great products. I am sorry that you are too closed minded to try any, - you might like sushi, - if you'd just try it.
""Barring that I have access to pro facilities with very deep pockets.""
So what? Why waste time writing that valueless sentence....???
""To say I am not capable of evaluating these products is absurd.""
That is a lie. I would never say that. I said that you are unwilling to evaluate them, - and remaining in ignorance is (sadly) far worse. But it doesn't end there, not only are you espousing and staying in ignorance, - but you out of that ignorance, you are unjustly insulting the people who design, manufacture, and deploy these highly effective, and excellent products....
""Anybody else here can see that based on the evidence I posted""
You have not posted ONE TINY BIT OF EVIDENCE!!!
"Asylums with doors open wide,
Where people had paid to see inside,
For entertainment they watch his body twist
Behind his eyes he says, 'I still exist.'"
More babbling on!You challenged me to my capabilities and qualifications to evaluate these products.
I produced that. Now you act as if it doesn't exist. You think you are the only person here that can read these posts?
As far as you have shown us you are an armature audiophile. You have no formal background in this technology and no ability to do anything more than a personal listening test.
And you continue to babble on here hiding behind a forum moniker. I have disclosed mt full background for anybody the research and verify.
I think it's pretty cowardly to continue these attacks hiding behind a shield as you do.
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More babbling on!
I know, - I think that we'd all be grateful if you quit.....
"You challenged me to my capabilities and qualifications to evaluate these products."
No, - I challenged the fact that you are stubbornly, outside reason, and outside science: completely UNWILLING to evaluate them. And there are ZERO qualifications for an effective evaluation of the products.
""As far as you have shown us you are an armature audiophile""
What is an armature audiophile? That's a new one....
"" 2a : a piece of soft iron or steel that connects the poles of a magnet or of adjacent magnets
b : a usually rotating part of an electric machine (such as a generator or motor) which consists essentially of coils of wire around a metal core and in which electric current is induced or in which the input current interacts with a magnetic field to produce torque
c : the movable part of an electromagnetic device (such as a loudspeaker)
d : a framework used by a sculptor to support a figure""
""I have disclosed mt full background for anybody the research and verify."
Why would anyone bother? As I've repeated too many times, your background (especially in another area) doesn't mean that you have anything at all to to contribute to the efficacy of the products in question, - especially because you are conducting no tests, - and just repeating the claims of others who are at least testing...
""I think it's pretty cowardly to continue these attacks hiding behind a shield as you do.""
Says the ignorant naysayer who is making claims about products, insulting the designers, the users of the products: and is completely unwilling to test, research, or investigate the products in any way whatsoover.
Now that is the ultimate cowardice.
"Asylums with doors open wide,
Where people had paid to see inside,
For entertainment they watch his body twist
Behind his eyes he says, 'I still exist.'"
"Why would anyone bother? As I've repeated too many times, your background (especially in another area) doesn't mean that you have anything at all to to contribute to the efficacy of the products in question, - especially because you are conducting no tests, - and just repeating the claims of others who are at least testing..."
So the design of broadcast and mastering facilities as well as design of specific hardware for that industry does not qualify one to judge home audio equipment?
What do you play or watch on your great home system? Where does it come from? You think these large facilities don't have issues with electrical noise problems.
If that wasn't enough I practice this as a hobby as well as everyone else here. I have provided a link to my home system. That should be quite clear I understand this technology as it relates to consumer use but on a much larger scale. My system utilizes 22 channels of AES audio. That means 11 AES lines. And they have to be distributed through active splitters to the many audio computer systems I use for real time measurement. Yet you think I don't know about what is required for a simply USB transport to DAC link. Remember I built the Atmos processor using MiniDSP cards. All interconnected via I2S.
You were the one who challenged me to disclose my home system obviously in the hopes of belittling it. Well I did and among with that a plethora of my background with more than enough information for anyone to check out.
What have you shown us here. What about your system? Show us some accomplishments in this hobby sector you have produced?
So the design of broadcast and mastering facilities as well as design of specific hardware for that industry does not qualify one to judge home audio equipment?
Absolutely CORRECT, - now you're getting it. The performance goals of home audio gear are entirely different....
"What do you play or watch on your great home system?"
I never said that I have a great system, - but others have. I have over 40,000 songs. I listen to a lot of different things. Digital Files vary in recording quality, - just like everything/everybody else. I also have about 1600 CDs and 60 or so high-rez discs in SACD/DVD-A. But I'm not sure why you're asking.
""You were the one who challenged me to disclose my home system obviously in the hopes of belittling it.""
Wrong!! I was curious as to what it was, as it could be a system where the products that you're making claims would, or would not be effective. Obviously, - if you do not have a computer (or digital file playback device), - it would be particularly damning if you were asserting that the USB device was ineffective, - when you don't even do computer file playback in your system.
""You think these large facilities don't have issues with electrical noise problems.""
??? what kind of crazy stuff are you saying with the above?
""I have provided a link to my home system.""
Was that a youtube video? Can't you just list it? It's not in your bio here....At one point, - this used to be an audiophile website....
""Show us some accomplishments in this hobby sector you have produced?""
As above, my system, my "accomplishments" are not what is at issue. I am not unreasonably judging any products that I've tested, heard, compared, etc. I claim to have knowledge of something that i don't know about, - unlike yourself.....
1. You are making a claim about something that you haven't heard, have no experience with: solely on the basis of a set of cult-of-personality based on training and experience in another, - unrelated field of study. And this is not only about listening experiences, - (the best test to take you out of ignorance), - but you're even refusing to investigate the internal components and parts that make up the devices, and even gather ANY evidence including measurements. After all you could get specific and cite the fact that LPS-1.2 now has LT3045 regulator chokes, and you can cite some experience that you've had with LT3045 chokes, - as to their contribution.
These products are NOT DESIGNED for the audio/video/industrial BROADCAST Industry. They are not designed for the recording mastering industry, they are not designed for recording studios.
2. Everyone here sees that as ignorance. But worse, - you're insulting the designers of these products, as though they were somehow charlatans, - on the basis of your ignorance and lack of research.
This isn't about me. I am just one of the hundreds of people who have found these products to be very effective. I am sure that my testing and research is better than some, but worse than others. But I have a ton more experience with THE ACTUAL devices than yours.
By the way, - I would say the exact same thing to Ed Meitner or Vladimer Lamm, or Albert Von Schweikert if they tried to assert some ridiculous, - and "trust me I'm a broadcast engineer" "authoritarian" statements about these COMPUTING + AUDIO devices.
yes, - these devices are designed for BOTH computer audio and home audio.
So, let me ask you, - do the very fine Tannoy studio monitors sound the same as Tannoy home audio monitors?
"Asylums with doors open wide,
Where people had paid to see inside,
For entertainment they watch his body twist
Behind his eyes he says, 'I still exist.'"
You think that consumer audio is some special area. Wrong, it's a direct sub set of broadcast and mastering. Avonics would be an example which you suggest but not consumer audio.
You are fixated on the fact that I have not evaluated a specific product, that I know nothing of the underlying technology. That to spite the fact the products designer discloses his theory behind the design in detail. And competent EE can summarize from that what he is trying to sell.
Now you ask me if I have used a certain voltage regulator chip obviously because you read that in John's blog. I have used countless regulator typologies over the years from discrete to SMPS designs. What is this fixation on a single chip? It probably sounds impressive to you but to me it's just another of the literally thousands of regulator chips any EE can chose from these days. Just look at the Digikey or Newark webpage and type in "regulator IC"
What's wrong with a YouTube video, an award video BTW? It goes into much more detail than some equipment list. I have extensive with digital audio. That should be obvious.
I do this stuff professionally. And on a much larger scale than these garage audio trinket vendors. Furthermore I extend that scale to my home system as well.
You can keep your head in the sand but not too many people are going to see this your way in light in my disclosures here. Claiming I know little about digital audio is just barking in the wind.
And you are still hiding behind a moniker. What's the problem? What are you afraid of disclosing?
THIS IS NOT CONSUMER AUDIO, - how many times does it have to be written?
""Wrong, it's a direct sub set of broadcast and mastering.""
HAHAHAHAHAAH.....that was beyond asinine!!
High performance audio playback has one goal and purpose, - to faithfully reproduce a recorded work.
""What is this fixation on a single chip? "
You call me citing an example of the lt3045 as a fixation?"
It is not, - and I used it as an example to show that you're criticizing something that you haven't heard.
You haven't even ever said that you don't need to hear it to know what it does to your system or sounds like, - thank goodness for that....
""I do this stuff professionally.""
You've already said that you do NOT listen and compare high-end audio products professionally,- because you are a professional in AN UNRELATED FIELD, - you ASSUME that you can JUDGE SOMETHING without knowing anything at all about it???
Now that is the height of pompous cluelessness....
""And on a much larger scale than these garage audio trinket vendors""
Even more unrelated to the subject at hand....
""You can keep your head in the sand but not too many people are going to see this your way in light in my disclosures here""
Care to take a poll? (oh that's right, you don't do evidence).
""And you are still hiding behind a moniker. What's the problem? What are you afraid of disclosing?""
not about me, how many times does it have to be said. I don't make claims about things that I don't know about..... I don't see any "name" behind gusser....
"Asylums with doors open wide,
Where people had paid to see inside,
For entertainment they watch his body twist
Behind his eyes he says, 'I still exist.'"
Once again i have fully disclosed my background here in that video.
I have nothing to hide.
Until you do the same, you have no credibility. Just another forum ghost.
it seems that no one has any credibility.
From your posts, - self examination seems to be your strongest trait....
:-) :-) :-)
Cheers,
"Asylums with doors open wide,
Where people had paid to see inside,
For entertainment they watch his body twist
Behind his eyes he says, 'I still exist.'"
Again disclose your background. Otherwise you have no credibility to question mine which I have disclosed. It's just that simple!
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