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In Reply to: RE: Tangram Le' Journey Continues... posted by Tangram on April 01, 2024 at 07:44:10
Speaking on Lee Morgan ( great taste ) which gives me another reason to believe in your views.
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Further findings,
So I replaced the sonarquest CRYO unplated copper with a Xangsane unplated copper and it's no where near as bad, I will need further sessions , it appears to be the CRYO version !
Tangram,
After giving it much thought over the course of the last 3 days, I've narrowed my next purchases down to a Oyaide C-004 IEC as the base metal is Beryllium | Palladium over twice polished Beryllium | which is then topped off with Platinum layering, logically in thinking this required less cleaning as opposed to the standard Unplated Copper types, I'm going to also pursue your beloved CC Pure Silver IEC, as the curiosity has gotten the better of me..., as well as their Beryllium Copper IEC, as their cheaper version I've had for awhile easily bettered the ones from Viborg, regardless of housing materials, be it plastic, aluminum?, at this point I'm also looking more closely into several of the cheaper Krell cloned plugs, as looking at the one I've in-house has a very very well built stainless steel housing.
My current line of thinking is based upon appearances along, the differences between the standard Oyaide A | P 004s and their Armored Series itself seems to come down to the latter using a more substantial metal looking outer housing, yet the blades themselves appear to be the same, hence going with the original | said Beryllium Copper CopperColour versions as my last chosen copper types.
Whereas my last few days of research seems to point towards many endusers having replaced the plastic housing on brands like Furutech | Oyaide | IeGO | Monosaudio | Cardas | Neotech plugs and have reported excellent results due to the higher level of dampening said stainless steel shells bring. Yet knowing full well how nicely built | functional the Accuphase 40th Anniversary Edition housing is, I'll definitely be looking to at times stick with this proven design, as I usually just attach different blade types and lock the cord down with the set screws located at the very bottom of the barrel, as securing the two topmost screws can seemingly become stripped at times from being overly replaced back and forth.., so said clamping type is definitely a blessing in my mind, from a convenience standpoint.
But once again, I'm about to explore the Kam Audio Vanguard FI-60 Carbon Fiber | Brass Housing ( Shells ) | won't be looking over my shoulder wondering what if?, as once again listed here:
https://kamaudio.com/FI-60-Silver-IEC
Once again, I'm grateful for your having reported back your findings on the SonarQuest Cyro'ed Copper Plugs, as I saves me time and effect in knowing which brand to deem worthy, I've scratched them off the list completely | see the Xangsane plugs as the most cost effective plugs to recommend to others, as I've once again found them on eBay at say $20 less than their cost on AliExpress | can highly recommend as you've in the past.
Lastly it appears Rhodium Plated Copper plugs still hold their value in my system(s), but the Gold Plated Copper ones sorry to say, didn't survive the journey and were washed away at sea.
Do keep me posted on your current project. Be well | Stay safe.
Thanks for the update, re housing and oyaide, I will be most interested in your findings. Iam happy with the Accuphase housing so will stick with these.
Yes the sonarquest cry unplated copper iec is definitely a no no, a horrible hard,glaring colouration no matter what went after, the Monosaudio is so much more refined, however I do prefer the CC unplated silver in tandem withthe AC plug.
What I did find out is my Zidoo player is the most telling ancillary of all in how you can hear the wrong connector in play, maybe Eversolo could be the same ? I can understand how some users of the Eversolo 8 have reported bright and thin sounding !
I just need one more unplated silver iec and my journey with AC is completed, now Iam wondering about the adorable Accuphase SP cables though...-.. lol. And no reports from anyone, strange !
As a follow up, the CopperColour Pure Silver ( top right ) | Beryllium Copper ( top leftmost corner) IEC plugs, along with the Vanguard FI-60 Silver Plated Copper Carbon Fiber | Brass Housing AC ( in the nice little orange | black | white package at the bottom ) all came in today, so plans are to place them each onto the Accuphase cord over the next few days, and allow each upwards of 100 hours to settle in, at which point I'll have to go by ear and go with the combination which suits my particular application which is in tandem with the everSOLO DMP-A6, as once again it can do without any added glare, or digital edge as some call it, I've to assume in this case, it wasn't as responsive to the silver plated copper more expensive cord, where in hindsight it's probably because it was essentially a 16AWG cord, whereas the Accuphase is a thicker pure copper based design, which in itself replaced a cloned NearEAST Odin Gold as used awhile back on the Aurender X100L, which tells me said thicker gauge ( more high current ) cord was needed on both devices.
As always outwards | onwards.
Nice one el34, be sure interesting in your findings, Iam so enjoying my digital just now, just had a session listening to miles, sacd files from my ssd internal drive, 18 albums like this .
Thanks Tangram,
As I've once again been told that I should avoid using the pure silver iec plug, reason being that silver itself is a soft material much like pure copper, and overtime need some form of springs to hold the blades intact..., so I'm thinking about just going back after another IeGO 8095 pure silver - rhodium plated version at $145, as well as use the CopperColour beryllium iec plugs on several cords, yet just plan to set the CopperColour pure silver aside for now, as my mind says that just maybe I'd rather not push the top end to much, as the A6 is after all a more brightly lit type of sound compared to say the PS Audio DSD NuWave | Pro-Ject | Denafrips DACs as well as the Aurender server, which we all much much warmer | creamier sounding, so for now I'm able to fully appreciate the sound as rendered from eith a silver plated copper or pure silver ac plug in tandem with either a silver plated copper or in-plated copper iec with great end results.
Something tells me it's time to look deep within and walk away while the going ( listening ) is good enough. As I once again can't possibly see the justification in adding $200-$375 plugs onto what is again essentially a $42 power cord, my sense of rationale has to hold true to what's proven value wise, and while certain Furutech types, other than their gold plated ones look tempting, I've to remain true to my sense of peace within as well as my fixed income of late, so not unneeded items other than looking to exchange the plating types on both of the Xangsane IC's, but to what?, do I go with silver plated copper ones, or maybe a pair of pure silver Pure Sonic connectors as shown above?, which retail for $150 for a quad set. As like you, I'm more than certain the stock gold plated connectors are holding both IC's back, as far as reaching ( hearing ) their full potential.
So it seems I'm not quite out of the woods just yet, so you'll see me around for a few more moths it appears.
Later Bro.
Edits: 04/11/24
Hmmmm, I don't share this view on the iec unplated copper or silver, as the base metal of plated ones are copper, so soft also, and what about the oyaide 01 wall socket ! Copper also. When the iec is pushed in to a male , and the AC active , they fuse together.
As you have the CC unplated silver iec, I highly recommend you try this with the unplated silver AC plug on your Eversolo. Iam enjoying my Zidoo digital like never before with this combination and suspect you could have this result also.
You're correct | as I've been listening to both of the CC pure silver plugs since 8:45AM, and am very very very impressed, there seems to be something going on here in conjunction with the Accuphase being a copper based design, which has altered its presentation even more than I'd have imagined. The added sense of resolution is off the charts as the saying goes..., and each note seemingly bends around the corners within our living space as if the artist are placed not only outside the parameters of the speakers outermost cabinets, but actually flow into the rear most placement just slightly behind our sofa which is placed 10' away from where I'm centrally located at 2' away from the system laying on the floor.
I was about to ship the CC pure silver iec back, but logically I felt since it's always in place, why not just give it a listen, and as it's usually the case, I was able to decipher what was going on within my usual 2-3 tracks. I can't again speak for others, but this has simply become a remarkable power cord which to my mind far eclipses the previous ones costing upwards of $800, which was always my set budget on cords, at times I'd chance upon ones used which retailed for $1.600 at said price, and even they've been sold off, in favor of the Xangsane PCs | currently said Accuphase are serving their purpose to an extreme, the only items I'm looking to change out once again are the actual RCA input connectors on both the Xangsane IC's | rear of both the everSOLO | integrated amps, so seemingly there aren't many choices I'd go with besides rhodium or unplated copper versions from either Viborg or Aeco at this point, taking cost into account.
Thanks again for being the guiding light through said curiosity phases during this particular journey | it has been a mind blowing ride, of which has once again only enhanced my overall system's performance that much more. Whom would've thunk it?, look Ma, no need to sell off anther component in search of the absolute illusion, logically I've always been a Tweaker at heart, and much rather try to extract the last ounce of musicality ( if it's there to begin with? ) from electronics and speakers of late, especially after having went laterally two years ago and feeling I'd have saved $8.000 on lesser items, and been much much happier in the long haul..., said mistakes can only be seen as a learning experience | curve in order to not repeat them over and over again.
The generalization of items from aboard hold true, in my mind the Japanese make the best cables | cartridges | tube amplification, and I've always seen Accuphase solid state gear as the very very best I've encountered, yet I've to give it up to both the Brits | German for some very creative turntables and speakers as well, whereas once again , I truthfully believe the Chinese cabling industry has caught on, so those that continue to think it's junk, without even given their cables a listen be damned and then some, I hear what I hear, and am at the very least willing to be open-minded enough to explore the possibilities of " what if? ".
No going back on my end " I'm home where I belong ". And once again consider myself in a far better place that I've been since the periods between 1985-2006, before getting burned out the gear and took several years off and sold everything and found myself starting from scratch in late 2009, as I often tell the wife, had I only knew then what I know today, life would've been much easier | enjoyable all the same.
Until next time | stay true to the cause | as well as to yourself | dreams.
O_o scar
Nice one el34, there is no denying the synergy between the CC connectors pure silver at both ends of the Accuphase 40th wire, and the wire itself, unlike any plating types tried. They just get out of the way and let the musicality out, in a very involving less colored way, at least your urges to try whatever else in the AC department will diminish I suspect ! You may find some off days for several weeks until burn in complete.
When I changed my main run of IC ( Xangsane 9003) xlr IC to the Viborg unplated silver xlr , I remember similar encounters to said above, I just have to complete this by doing this with my external dac or phono stage IC leading to my preamp, however, I will wait for the sale to arrive. This then finalises my AC and IC journey.
Oh and my subwoofer Accuphase 3 meter power chord arrived...-...-.
Thanks Tangram.
It seems the combinations that worked out the best for me are in the following order, (1) pure silver at both ends of the cord (2) pure silver ac | copper iec (3) silver plated copper at both ends (4) silver plated copper ac | copper iec.
It once again came down to the key realization being which order each struck accord with me on an emotional level the most, as you've stated the wiring ( whatever offshoot brand it maybe? ) within the Accuphase 40th itself?, was done ( voiced ) right, and you're correct I no longer need to look any further cord wise, as this is good enough for me | then some.
I was thinking I'd have to go back and find your post on which type of plating or un-plated plugs you were using with your IC's, so thanks for mentioning they're in fact pure silver ones as well, in said case as I only own one of the five integrated amps that's is actually fully balanced that can be used with the everSOLO, I'll concentrate on getting a set of the Aeco pure silver RCA connectors as well..., as the Viborg ones are a tad more costlier than I'd like to spend.
Maybe at some point in the near future, I'd once again commission someone to solder said plugs onto my pair of Xangsane XS-9001 IC's?, as my skill set is solely lacking in this one area.
Truth is the Accuphase cord came out of curiosity | yet I've ended up with four of them here as well, might I ask which brands of subs you're using?, as I don't believe in using them, but am still curious about the options worth looking at?, for friends | associates that do, as a means of passing said information along.
It seems both of our journeys on said power cords have reached an end, where oh where do each of us go from here?.
Thanks again.
O_o
Very good el34, Iam using a Arendal dual opposed sub from Europe , it provides the foundation and integrates very musically with a dsp antimode device, I have now introduced my ten year old plus neodio dac with the Zidoo, where it is easily is in another universe than the Zidoo built in dac, and it should as it cost me back then, so now as it's connected via usb, I may explore a lhy audio usb reclocker @ 30 day trial period and see where that takes me. I too would like to possibly experience the dmp8 Eversolo , once I sold some items, however I will leave it at least some six months until some further batches are produced, having a built in anologue preamp is of high interest here. Maybe they will produce them in silver also !
Thanks for the update on your sub | as well as your plans on upgrading key equipment within your system, as my mind once again tells me it all begins at the source. I mean c'mon relying upon a $200 turntable or DAC ( music server ) as the beginning of one's chain driving say $30.000 speakers is beyond me. I'd far rather do like many had discovered back in the early 80s, by driving said a then pair of the original Wharfedale Dimonds with a Krell KSA 200, which would produce all sort of low end bass ( mid-bass ) rumbling from said speakers and was very very impressive to say the least.
I myself was looking into adding the Gustard Audio N18 ( silver | $389 ) Audiophile grade Ethernet Switch, but I'm somewhat torn between this and just adding two of the iFi Audio LAN iSilencers into the mix as well. As I too would think that even a 5-10 year old Neodio DAC could easily see many of the so-called modern DAC's upwards of $5000 off with ease as it's a very very stunning design to behold, of which I'd buy it alongside its matching integrated amp if I had the funds in a minute, such are the aesthetic appeal on my end, as I buy with both my ears | eyes it seems, i5 has to have a polished look even to gain access into our home.
I'd think it'd make sense to go to the Zidoo forum and make said suggestion for an option for silver finished products, provided it might be a sandblasted type, as the finish on several of the Denafrips DACs I've owned would showcase fingerprints | lint within the surface areas as if built in, which proved very difficult for me to clean, even after having purchased about 5 different aluminum cleaning agents to do so, but I've to get it up to the silver finished Gustard X20 Pro DAC, which was the best I had ( and have ) ever laid eyes upon, thanks again for your willingness to share this one with me Sondek, only thing was it taught me to avoid anything with digital readout, due to having had several DACs ( items ) displays become burnt out in areas within their screens which for me was definitely a no-no, regardless of sound, where it'd have made more sense had the manufacture made them where said displays could be cut off all together, as opposed to merely being dimmed, this burnt out shit still came through even in a darkened room.
So for me, it seems it's the digital side of things that require my attention | as always let the journey continue...-, I'll see you around.
Peace Be Onto You | Yours.
O_o.
I forgot to add that I had read or better yet viewed more than a few YouTube reviews talking about the everSOLO A6 being bright as well, yet it was for me a revelation as compared to the retailed cost of $5800 when new for both the Aurender X100L music server and Denafrip Pontus ll which it replaced, in my case the former was all nice and cuddly sounding, as what I'm inclined to think those seeking a more analogue based presentation would love, yet within the very first track played on the A6, I knew right off the bat this was the best reproduction of low end weight and impact I've heard in-house to date, and being as it has been well over 9 DACs later, several costing around the $1400 mark, so if some think the of its top end high as being bright!, I'm way pass that point of over listening to what the masses have to say, because in truth, how many of us have the exact same taste?, system?, set biases in how we listen?, let's just say I hear it as detailed | had a better means of displaying top end detail, which the other tandem glossed over and made everything sound more organic, but at the cost of how it handled more complex passages within the notes.This was of course when it was used primarily with a Jena Labs Crimson Red RX silver plated copper power cord, which had a set of the IeGO 9085 pure silver rhodium plated connectors attached to it, but upon having installed the copper based Accuphase 40th cloned cord onto it, even with its stock gold plated brass connectors, everything seemed to have fallen into place..., so much so said other units were listed for sale within two days, and sold within two days after being listed, so apparently both have their attraction by others.
While I've owned two of the cheaper Denafrips Ares ( MK ll, and currently the 12th-1 models ) the Pontus ll showed itsejf to be extremely sensitive to power surges and the likes, as I've to assume having a butterfly fart in the distance would cause it to go into standby mode within seconds, so let's just say as my wife and I are apartment dwellers, the power lines are as stable as they could be, but for any device that requires to be rebooted or powered up about every 2 minutes into tracks, just didn't cut it, said Ares MK ll or 12th-1 DACs have never even flicked during said fluctuations on the power lines in either room, so I'm very very very content in what I hear from the A6, and if the funds were available, I seriously doubt I'd be looking to buy anything other than said A8 model. It's seems Andrew Jones on YouTube, might be one of the few that understands what's going on sonically with this brand, color me biased, and I'd immediately raise both hands, but for the life of me, I of all people should know " Mi-Sound ", and this suits my personality preference in sound | as well as how I love hearing my music played back, which costs in my book.., so dull, rolled off, softened approach to sending the notes through one's electronics, and speakers don't fly in my book, I tend to seek and crave that very very rare balance between refinement | detail, and am in my mind close enough to know what to listen for, as well as too, and have found it at a faction of what some brands are asking for their entry level or only unit on the market, the only other device I'd have purchased was a Innuos PulseMini, yet I've long grown tired of devices that don't allow placement for an SSD within them ( hell even my used Auralic Ares Mini in the bedroom has onboard provisions for an added 2TB HHD ) | as well as wishing to avoid anything that requires adding another LPS to the mix, give me something with an internal SSD slot, and IEC inlet, and offers good quality software | sound, and I'm good to go.
Party on Garth, we aren't worthy, as look at us, we relying upon cheap ass Chinese cords on our slightly above average systems, we couldn't possibly know what we're talking about, now could we?. I hear what I hear, and that's all that I hear, shades of the old Popeye saying I'm what I'm, and that's all that I'am.
O_o ( insert smiley face | you'll get the joke is on the nonbelievers ) so be it. All one has to do is look at the photos of various audio gear I've placed within my post for years, and know that while I can't afford a million dollar system, I'm well aware of what nice shit is, hint | hint.
Edits: 04/04/24
Your welcome, as I do love getting into those in-depth researching modes at least twice per week, as it also helps in keeping the mind active, so that I don't get side tracked and go off into my usual venting ( ranting ) mindset looking at the activities around the globe in a more watchful of late.
Yet like you, I too adore the Accuphase housing, and just intend to place the blades on any of the incoming plugs directly into each end, with the exception being in trying out the carbon fiber brass thingies that is. I'm also about to call it a wrap on the plugs, as I've found myself very taken with three different mixtures of plating or unplating types, where it merely becomes a matter of tailoring the sound of each component accordingly, but I've felt since 2012, when coming over to computer audio, that it seems the DAC or digital source ( a Mac Mini in my earlier stage ) always responded to a particular flavoring of cable, be it a usb cable, power cord or pair of interconnects?, but it always appeared more responsive to either pure silver or silver plated copper ones, once again I've to think this is because digital playback acts differently when it comes to transient detailing abilities within said type of wiring is used in itself.
Once again, as the jargon goes YMMV, but I've long believed copper simply slowed things down, while making the sound more comfortable and all, it was very very capable of putting me to sleep within minutes of turning the system on, detail | resolution | attack or all qualities I can't live without, if I craved a warmish, mellowed presentation?, I'd then prefer to place a tubbier sounding tube integrated amp into the system, offset with say several pieces of Cardas or MIT based cables to hold things in check, but than again that's probably why my main 3 integrated amps located within arms reach, reside in the living room, whereas the tube amplification is only used on occasion in our main bedroom, I just grew tired of the required maintenance which more often than not come with owning tube gear, the heat from the power tubes themselves can overtime merely dry out all of the internal components, even soldering can become effected, and don't forget those aging ass tube sockets loosen as well as crack from the heat off these power tubes as well, which is why I chose to pursue hybrid based designs as far back as 2014.
See, there I go allowing myself to get off topic, but in someways it's all ties together in so many ways, because without the means to play one's music, I don't think many of us would be posting said concerns, as for the Accuphase SCs, I to am very surprised no one has tired them, given their low ass cost, I believe many have become to catch upon the notion if it's to cheap, just how good can it be?, I can only speak for myself..., the $1.000 and $2800 SCs have long existed the building, in favor of 6 different pairs, ranging on average between $150 for the cheapest 4, to $480 for the more expensive two, and guess what?, I'm more drawn into actual listening further into the music as a result of it, as before I've to believe I was more caught up on listening to the components instead, yet aging has a very weird way of teaching even us older dogs new tricks, " Bow Wow " indeed. Do forgive the corny ass gesture ( attempt at written humor) I just had to let it out.
Thanks Tangram,
That seems to clarify things, and makes more sense to me, as it seems that I've become somewhat hesitant in buying anymore of the SonarQuest plugs, as I ended up with several different plating types back in 2018, which much like those Viborg 512 types with the decorative aluminum housing, just sat unused and eventually sold.
As per the recommendation of Chris from Kamaudio, which talked about the sonic differences rendered by the power plug housing ( outer barrels ) between say standard plastic ones, versus aluminum or stainless steel where he feels ones using brass as said housing have a much clearer | cleaner sound signature, of which I'll be exploring shortly, as another silver plated copper ac was needed for one of the secondary cords in the bedroom system. Yet I'll be buying one of your seemingly always recommended CooperColour Pure Silver IECs as well.., as I'd once again, rather know what's what?, as opposed to regretting any mistakes in the lon* run of things.
At some point, I've to break down and commit to either the standard Oyaide C-004 IEC, or the one finished in a white housing, which I believe is a beryllium make?, and use on the cords used on the digital side of things, and listen very ver6 carefully between one of these and said unplated silver iec, either way, it's great knowing there isn't other things I'm looking to spend funds on these days, which in itself is a very reassuring manner of saying more or less, I'm done chasing any illusi8ns of the absolute, and merely enjoy my very synergistically matched components and chill.
Once again, thanks for the encouragement in all of this, it has proven more than worthwhile.
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