Those with AR RR-77s. Place your disc, label side down on it for a count of ten.

Iâ€™ve done 20 CDs so far, and Iâ€™ve heard an audible improvement on most of them. I donâ€™t think the gains are particularly eye-popping, but they are there. Mostly I hear a widening and opening of the soundstage and increased energy and presence on vocals. Iâ€™ll probably do a few more just to finalize my findings, but I trust what Iâ€™ve heard to this point.

I donâ€™t know how itâ€™s doing what itâ€™s doingâ€”maybe the field the RR-77 generates is somehow having a beneficial effectâ€”but itâ€™s definitely doing something. It also seems to have a cumulative effect with other tweaksâ€”i.e., it isnâ€™t canceled out by other tweaks, nor does it cancel them out. Very interesting. Thanks for introducing us to another use for this bizarre device.

I am sure the effect does not last, so you need to repeat it each playing., posted on March 17, 2008 at 06:27:04
Norm Reviewer Posts: 31024 Joined: September 6, 2000	A count to 20 adds nothing IMHO, but a count to 5 does little or nothing. I entirely agree with you about what changes.

I think the device is demagnetizing the CD., posted on March 17, 2008 at 08:16:31
jea48 Audiophile Posts: 6815 Joined: January 5, 2005	If you have a CD demagnetizer you could do a test. Demagnetize a CD that has not been one used in your test with the RR 77 or has not been demagnetized by your demagnetizer. Listen to the CD first before demagnetizing. Demagnetize the CD and then listen for changes. Make note of changes. Next try your RR 77 test on the CD. Any change in the sound on playback?

I think they may be doing different things, posted on March 17, 2008 at 09:43:17

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Thinking along the same lines, I conducted this same exact test yesterday. It seems to me that the RR-77 and RD-3 demagnetizer are doing different things. Iâ€™m not sure what those things are, particularly where the RR-77 is concerned, but the fact in my case is that the â€™77 added to the effects of the RD-3.

I used a few discs Iâ€™m pretty familiar with. I listened without any treatment. I then demagnetized the particular disc I was listening to and listened again. In every case, I could detect the usual improvements I get from the RD-3: blacker backgrounds, slightly tighter and clearer bass, and a greater sense of image outlines.

I then laid the disc on the RR-77, per Normâ€™s suggestion, and waited 10 seconds. I listened again. The gains I had first heard from the RR-77 treatment were still there, despite demagging first: mostly, improved vocal clarity and presence, and the ability to hear slightly deeper into the mix.

As I stated earlier, the effect of this RR-77 treatment isnâ€™t huge (IMHO), but I do hear itâ€”even with other tweaks thrown into the mix.

I hope you can provide proper documentation for this wild assertion! nt, posted on March 17, 2008 at 09:56:01
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Yep, my paper will be in a forthcoming issue of Scientific American. nt, posted on March 17, 2008 at 10:56:01
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I have tried these tests. The RR-77 adds an independent effect whatever it does., posted on March 17, 2008 at 11:10:09

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I have two, actually four, demagnetizers with the Walker Talisman being the best. I have several discs with two copies available. I have done all combinations on these. I have listen to a disc without any treatment and then demaged it and then again using the RR-77. I even went so far as to using a new copy without using cleaners or Nespaing it to see whether such treatments were negated by using demaging and the RR-77. Unfortunately, they were not.

Cleaning and Nespaing are enduring treatments, while the Talisman and the RR-77 are not.

I again should say that I did not originate this tweak. At CES a representative of the Lotus Group, not Joe Cohen, told me to try it. I was disbelieving, but when I tried it, I lost this skepticism.

See that it is. nt, posted on March 17, 2008 at 11:18:26
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Tried it last night., posted on March 17, 2008 at 11:23:00

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In the process of evaluating my EarthSafe I had yet to listen to a single CD. I put on one of my favorites (and among the top 1 or 2 I own), listened to a couple of cuts. It was already sounding better than I'd ever heard it but I do believe, after the 10 seconds on top, it showed a significant improvement. I'll have to try more.

The CD: David Grisman "Dawg '90"

And NO, I can't prove it!

"Man is the only animal that blushes - or needs to" Mark Twain

This...., posted on March 17, 2008 at 11:28:07
alan m. kafton Manufacturer Posts: 5299 Joined: April 7, 2000	....was one of all-time best and funniest mini-threads ever!! {{{{now trying to imagine a committee of white-jacketed scientists all armed with Acoustic Revive products in front of them, notepads in hand, looking serious as brain surgery}}}}

"And NO, I can't prove it!" Then you, sir, are a USELESS LISTENER! nt, posted on March 17, 2008 at 11:32:52
clarkjohnsen Reviewer Posts: 26843 Location: Massachusetts Joined: May 5, 2000	s

I know,, posted on March 17, 2008 at 11:37:26

kavakidd
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I know. Shame on me!

"Man is the only animal that blushes - or needs to" Mark Twain

Alan, you mean..., posted on March 17, 2008 at 12:11:58
Djhymn Audiophile Posts: 682 Joined: October 15, 2002	"A committee of white straight-jacketed scientists..." Do you not? bebebebebebebeb! &-)

No...., posted on March 17, 2008 at 13:22:58
alan m. kafton Manufacturer Posts: 5299 Joined: April 7, 2000	....that type of committee would be far too uptight, and definitely NOT egalitarian. Remember George Washington Carver? Quite the scientist, and definitely not white nor straight-jacketed.

RE: No...., posted on March 17, 2008 at 19:00:10
Djhymn Audiophile Posts: 682 Joined: October 15, 2002	Alan, far be it from me to imply the color of aught but the straight-jackets. In addition, uptight and straight-jacketed wouldst be, mayhap, mutually euphemistical, would they not? Just wondering, And still grinning, Madly, $-)

"euphemistical"...., posted on March 17, 2008 at 19:27:51
alan m. kafton Manufacturer Posts: 5299 Joined: April 7, 2000	....and harmonious. :--)

RE: Sure you can., posted on March 18, 2008 at 01:23:44
benie Audiophile Posts: 1851 Location: Alberta, Canada Joined: October 24, 2004	Tell clarkjohnsen to get off his a$$ and come over for a listen.

Tongue in cheek. nt, posted on March 18, 2008 at 05:46:16
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Someone called me a wild ass ertion once...(nt) :o), posted on March 19, 2008 at 13:16:25
Presto Audiophile Posts: 6011 Location: Canada Joined: November 10, 2004	nt

What did you bray back at him? nt, posted on March 19, 2008 at 14:22:02
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"Schumanning" the CD improves the spatiality of the playback, posted on March 20, 2008 at 10:40:52

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of the CD. Tried it and it works on a different level from all the rest of the CD tweaks I have and I do own an arsenal of them ranging from
1) Acoustic Revive RD-3 for demagnetizing
2) Acousitc Revive RIO-5 for deionizing
3) Furutech/Orb Destat for removing static charges.

By spatiality, I mean that the soundstage of the playback deepens and instead of 1 single plane of sound emanating, you get layers of sound, very 3d organic bloom to the sound, removing some of the vivid glare that come from treatment 1 to 3 which can make the music full of presence that may be too glaring on the highs

Curiosity killed the cat......., posted on March 20, 2008 at 11:55:02
jea48 Audiophile Posts: 6815 Joined: January 5, 2005	Have you tried the process on a vinyl record to see if it made any difference in sound?

Sorry sold my analog rig, posted on March 20, 2008 at 12:08:53
hotbird Audiophile Posts: 345 Joined: April 11, 2007	many years ago, so kind of impossible for me to test that ;-)

Thanks a lot, jea48! I will try it over the weekend., posted on March 21, 2008 at 07:00:49
Norm Reviewer Posts: 31024 Joined: September 6, 2000	I tried hotbird's suggestion of putting a RIO-5010 in the frige. It does work? I even had my wife remove it while I listen and did buzz her just after she removed it. Weird stuff! I am afraid I am on a very slippery slope.

Thanks for checking out the fridge tweak..., posted on March 21, 2008 at 09:03:26

hotbird
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I also had a few dis-believing friends when they came to my place to listen the effects of a crystal inside the fridge. All distinctly heard what the crystal did, and I did buy a range of various crystal types to experiment to find out the most effective one. Quite a costly lesson, as I now own a few costly rutile quartz that did not work out as well at the RIQ5010 quartz insulator. Even if you cannot afford the RIQ5010, a simple rose quartz (quite common and inexpensive) will also work in the fridge, though the effect is much less potent than AR's. I owe this idea to Frank Tchang's first original findings of placing his acoustic resonator in the fridge. Without that 6moons infamous report on the fridge, I would not have thought of putting one in the fridge too. I mean, who would be that silly...but curiosity killed the cat ;-)

Whew! - for a second I thought you were talking about the other fridge tweak....nt, posted on March 22, 2008 at 03:48:52
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Those with AR RR-77s. Place your disc, label side down on it for a count of ten.

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