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In Reply to: RE: I am sure the effect does not last, so you need to repeat it each playing. posted by Norm on March 17, 2008 at 06:27:04
If you have a CD demagnetizer you could do a test. Demagnetize a CD that has not been one used in your test with the RR 77 or has not been demagnetized by your demagnetizer.
Listen to the CD first before demagnetizing.
Demagnetize the CD and then listen for changes. Make note of changes.
Next try your RR 77 test on the CD. Any change in the sound on playback?
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of the CD. Tried it and it works on a different level from all the rest of the CD tweaks I have and I do own an arsenal of them ranging from
1) Acoustic Revive RD-3 for demagnetizing
2) Acousitc Revive RIO-5 for deionizing
3) Furutech/Orb Destat for removing static charges.By spatiality, I mean that the soundstage of the playback deepens and instead of 1 single plane of sound emanating, you get layers of sound, very 3d organic bloom to the sound, removing some of the vivid glare that come from treatment 1 to 3 which can make the music full of presence that may be too glaring on the highs
Have you tried the process on a vinyl record to see if it made any difference in sound?
I tried hotbird's suggestion of putting a RIO-5010 in the frige. It does work? I even had my wife remove it while I listen and did buzz her just after she removed it. Weird stuff! I am afraid I am on a very slippery slope.
I also had a few dis-believing friends when they came to my place to listen the effects of a crystal inside the fridge. All distinctly heard what the crystal did, and I did buy a range of various crystal types to experiment to find out the most effective one. Quite a costly lesson, as I now own a few costly rutile quartz that did not work out as well at the RIQ5010 quartz insulator. Even if you cannot afford the RIQ5010, a simple rose quartz (quite common and inexpensive) will also work in the fridge, though the effect is much less potent than AR's. I owe this idea to Frank Tchang's first original findings of placing his acoustic resonator in the fridge. Without that 6moons infamous report on the fridge, I would not have thought of putting one in the fridge too. I mean, who would be that silly...but curiosity killed the cat ;-)
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many years ago, so kind of impossible for me to test that ;-)
I have two, actually four, demagnetizers with the Walker Talisman being the best. I have several discs with two copies available. I have done all combinations on these. I have listen to a disc without any treatment and then demaged it and then again using the RR-77. I even went so far as to using a new copy without using cleaners or Nespaing it to see whether such treatments were negated by using demaging and the RR-77. Unfortunately, they were not.
Cleaning and Nespaing are enduring treatments, while the Talisman and the RR-77 are not.
I again should say that I did not originate this tweak. At CES a representative of the Lotus Group, not Joe Cohen, told me to try it. I was disbelieving, but when I tried it, I lost this skepticism.
Thinking along the same lines, I conducted this same exact test yesterday. It seems to me that the RR-77 and RD-3 demagnetizer are doing different things. I’m not sure what those things are, particularly where the RR-77 is concerned, but the fact in my case is that the ’77 added to the effects of the RD-3.
I used a few discs I’m pretty familiar with. I listened without any treatment. I then demagnetized the particular disc I was listening to and listened again. In every case, I could detect the usual improvements I get from the RD-3: blacker backgrounds, slightly tighter and clearer bass, and a greater sense of image outlines.
I then laid the disc on the RR-77, per Norm’s suggestion, and waited 10 seconds. I listened again. The gains I had first heard from the RR-77 treatment were still there, despite demagging first: mostly, improved vocal clarity and presence, and the ability to hear slightly deeper into the mix.
As I stated earlier, the effect of this RR-77 treatment isn’t huge (IMHO), but I do hear it—even with other tweaks thrown into the mix.
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