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In Reply to: How do you know he bought it at or near cost? posted by vinyl-addict on July 18, 2006 at 12:26:53:

I don't believe Jack mentioned any exact price, but it is common knowledge that these days any ambitious / hungry manufacturer is going to do just about anything for a possibility of currying favor with the leading Audio Hacks, think about the legions of Validation challenged
Audiophool Sheeple who would be a living bundle of anxiety at the prospect of sourcing anything not validated (In the recommended Components List, or approved by or especially used Fremer etc.)
I would think someone manufacturing a $90K Turntable would
more or less live or die by this bullshit, it's a safe bet no one
fully rational is going to buy something like that based on it's actual sonic virtues.

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Thank you, Fred, for being the voice of reason in my absense. - Jack Seaton 13:45:03 07/18/06 (0)
" ... but it is common knowledge that these days any ambitious / hungry manufacturer is going to do just about anything for a possibility of currying favor with the leading Audio Hacks, think about the legions of Validation challenged
Audiophool Sheeple who would be a living bundle of anxiety at the prospect of sourcing anything not validated (In the recommended Components List, or approved by or especially used Fremer etc.)"
You pretty much nailed it, Fred.
I also know that retailed products are made on a 5/1 ratio, however, I believe that ratio may be much higher on turntables over the $15K range.
Jack
Re: How do you know he bought it at or near cost? - old6eyes 13:39:25 07/18/06 (2)
Yeah, it seems to be mostly about bragging rights, at those prices.
But who knows, maybe a $90,000 rig sounds 10 times better than a $9,000 one, or 100 times better than $900. Folks like me will never get to hear that type of equipment anyway, so I'll keep listening to my 50 year old rim drive ;-).
- Re: How do you know he bought it at or near cost? - beto 18:18:12 07/18/06 (0)
  One of the biggest fallacies on high end audio is the bogus attempt to turn the level of fidelity and musical satisfaction into something accountable. Can a $90K TT sound ten times better than a $9K one, and 100 times better than a $900 one? Better, most likely for sure (there's something to be said for exotic components). But ten times more or twenty? Who are we to say that? Perhaps you'd be happier with the sound of a $9k rig than that of a $90k one, and you couldn't chalk it up to price. I can personally say I like best the sound of my Sennheiser HD600s to that of the Stax electrostatics, which I've tested and retail for about 50 times the Senn's price. So, we'll be better off if we stop treating our level of musical joy and satisfaction as something accountable and directly related to price, as if it were.
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- Re: How do you know he bought it at or near cost? - Fred J 15:04:53 07/18/06 (0)
  I'm with you Bro, I'm so broke I can't even pay attention ;-)
  I haven't heard the aforementioned particular exercise in conspicuous consumption / wretched excess, however I have attended
  several C.E.S have friends who are high end dealers and manufacturers
  and I firmly believe this machine and those of it's ilk are the absolute extreme end of the diminishing returns scale, the turntable equivalent of Ken Lays $15K Guest Bathroom Gold filigreed Shitcan.
  I'm delighted to be living in a wide open, free Society where we're free to build, sell or own incredibly crass stuff like this.
  Regards FredJ

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