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• If you think there is audio at and beyond 20-kHz, how do you resolve the fact.... - John Elison 16:03:27 09/27/05 (6)
  In Reply to: Way off base on alot of things posted by StylinLP on September 26, 2005 at 15:18:01:

  ...that vinyl 2nd harmonic distortion from a 10-kHz fundamental exceeds 10%? Can you hear this terrible distortion that I can measure very easily at 20-kHz?

  Just curious!

  Thanks,
  John Elison
  
  
  

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  • Re: If you think there is audio at and beyond 20-kHz, how do you resolve the fact.... - MusicLover 08:45:44 09/28/05 (0)
    In Reply to: If you think there is audio at and beyond 20-kHz, how do you resolve the fact.... posted by John Elison on September 27, 2005 at 16:03:27:

    THanks John for adding your comments. So it seems that people who like vinyl LIKE the imperfections, which was the original comment that started this sub-thread. But to not admit it is imperfect is intellectually dishonest. Of course, we can argue about how we define "better" (is it something we LIKE better or something that is truer to the original signal) but that's another story.
    ML
    
    

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  • Re: If you think there is audio at and beyond 20-kHz, how do you resolve the fact.... - StylinLP 16:27:43 09/27/05 (2)
    In Reply to: If you think there is audio at and beyond 20-kHz, how do you resolve the fact.... posted by John Elison on September 27, 2005 at 16:03:27:

    Its a fact there is audio over 20k. Its a fact there is audio at 50k. The original question was weither someone can hear past 20k'ish
    Audio is not 1's and 0's its not yes or no. Its fluid sound that 16 bits cannot possible recreate 100% completely. What the digital poeple keep telling themselves is its enough for them.

    I can hear a CD player playing within 10 seconds just walking by a demo room at an audio shop. (not newer rock/pop stuff thou. Thats garbage to begin with)
    *Analog fans may be blind-but digital fans are deaf*
    http://www.flickr.com/photos/82495693@N00/
    
    

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    • You sound like some one that has never recorded your own CD-R from vinyl.... - John Elison 16:54:59 09/27/05 (1)
      In Reply to: Re: If you think there is audio at and beyond 20-kHz, how do you resolve the fact.... posted by StylinLP on September 27, 2005 at 16:27:43:

      Or else you have never recorded vinyl on a high quality CD recorder.

      Perhaps you've never heard a CD played on a decent CD player.

      Oh, well!
      
      

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      • Sounds Like Music in Phx AZ carries Linn and other products *nt* - StylinLP 09:46:34 09/28/05 (0)
        In Reply to: You sound like some one that has never recorded your own CD-R from vinyl.... posted by John Elison on September 27, 2005 at 16:54:59:

        NT
        *Analog fans may be blind-but digital fans are deaf*
        http://www.flickr.com/photos/82495693@N00/
        
        

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  • You know 2nd harmonic is almost inaudible, right? - Commuteman 16:09:52 09/27/05 (1)
    In Reply to: If you think there is audio at and beyond 20-kHz, how do you resolve the fact.... posted by John Elison on September 27, 2005 at 16:03:27:

    
    It takes a lot of second order distortion to be heard; I seem to recall that the threshold is something like 2-3%.

    Of course 10% should be audible, or at least it will have an effect of some kind.....

    Peter
    
    

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    • Re: You know 2nd harmonic is almost inaudible, right? - John Elison 17:08:51 09/27/05 (0)
      In Reply to: You know 2nd harmonic is almost inaudible, right? posted by Commuteman on September 27, 2005 at 16:09:52:

      > > > Of course 10% should be audible, or at least it will have an effect of some kind.....

      Not if the fundamental is 10-kHz and the 2nd harmonic is at 20-kHz. I really don't think anyone can audibly detect distortion at 20-kHz, which would be 20-dB below the fundamental. Of course, I could be wrong.

      Anyway, that’s why I think that vinyl doesn’t sound so bad. Its greatest distortion is at high frequencies leaving only 1% to 3% at low frequencies.

      Best regards,
      John Elison
      
      
      

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• Re: Way off base on alot of things - HenryH 15:25:44 09/26/05 (0)
  In Reply to: Way off base on alot of things posted by StylinLP on September 26, 2005 at 15:18:01:

  He's clueless re harmonics of fundamental frequencies for starters.

  
  Henry

  Necessity is a mother . . .
  
  

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