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In Reply to: Being a serious musician, I just never found that punk posted by Sugardawg34 on May 10, 2006 at 19:58:43:
I guess you have a short memory. Remember this?>The point is that *all* rock is unsophisticated. Rock is produced for children and there is nothing more pathetic than a fifty-year-old man listening to the same drivel he did at sixteen.
That was just a couple of weeks ago. Looks an awful lot like
>Songwriting is nonexistent in most of that music also...just some young idiot whining that his girlfriend left his sorry ass or such. Theres no art in punk.
That's a mighty bold thing to say coming from someone who never heard of the New York Dolls. Perhaps you might try actually listening to the stuff before you decide you know enough about it to tell us what it's about & not about.
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No its not alike "J". You are putting words into my mouth here. I am merely disgusted at MOST mainstream music today and the punk genre. NOT talking about "rock" in general as the first guy was. He used the word "all". I diagreed with that, though it could easily be replaced by "some". Surely you dont think all rock music is sophisticated. Enough about the New York Dolls please...
"....just some young idiot whining that his girlfriend left his sorry ass or such."....... That "limited lyrical content" that you deride has been the basis of 1,000's of popular songs, in many different types of music (pop, blues, country, R&B, soul etc.) That thems is hardly limited to punk rock. And if you consider great lyrics as an arbitor of quality music, or "art" to use your term, you may consider stepping it up a notch and reading a few books. You'd be much more likey to discover sophisticated writing in classic literature than in Roger Waters' tunes.
Ah shut up. Dont tell me to read a book. Is it too much for me to ask for MUSIC WITH GOOD LYRICS ALSO???? Why do they have to be exclusive? Look, its clear to me that punk music hasnt exactly made progress in this area....agree? Roger Waters, on the other hand, is in my opinion one of the 5 best writers since World War II. It is VERY sophisticated songwriting comparable to the likes of Dylan and Lennon. I get great satisfaction just from reading the booklets...and the music takes it to another level for me. This is just the way I feel about it.
"Ah shut up. Dont tell me to read a book......"....... Interesting reponse. Sugardawg - you have two related issues that run through many of your posts of late. The first is that you strive to promote the greatness of PF band by deriding other bands and forms of music. While that technique is usually effective amongst adolescents, it's success drops considerably as your discussions begin to include adults. If you are truly interested in getting others to understand your reasons behind PF's greatness, you would be better off concentrating on what you perceive to be the strenghts of PF. No one who is on the fence about Floyd is going to get on board because you think that punk rock is not sophisitated.
........The second issue is your inability to differentiate between music-related content and personal content. Telling people who point out non-complimenaty issues surrounding your band-of-choice to shut up, or calling them names only diminishes your credibilty. Consequently you have done very little to convince anyone who was not already a big fan of PF of their greatness.
Sir, please understand that telling someone to "read a book" is insulting. Its hard to take that any other way. Its as if you just gave up on lyrics in music and wish for my illiterate self to try ...a book.Im not trying to promote PF. WTF is going on here? People take shot after shot at PF, and yet when I take shots back at other music and bands IM OUT OF LINE!!!!!!!!!!!!! HELLO DOUBLE STANDARD!!
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