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In Reply to: Kids these days, I swear... posted by Bagsgroove on June 05, 2002 at 15:12:37:
While you're rocking away and reminiscing, I think I'll go watch Bonds hit another home run, tainted no doubt by steroids, the dilution in pitching quality, the smaller strike zone, as well as the "decline of everything." I swear I saw a book by that title once.
I am not sure that I under stand your problems? Since we are talking about a small pool of "classic" performances please tell us which you find lacking vs. contemporary ones? I would be very interested to know, and then to try.It is beginning to sound as if you are using a sort of reverse snobbism, so that the old is bad because of some establishment that you find objectionable. We are speaking of aesthetic and emotional responses to music not a hierarchy of musical products. Many here have been honest and told you what they thought, now it's your turn to give us some examples of your experiences.
Gregg
As I have stated in other places in this thread, and in my opening message, I do NOT believe newer is necessarily better. I simply seek to understand the perspective of those who favor the older recordings because as a LOGICAL matter, I didn't comprehend why it would be that the quality of conductors and performers should be not as good today. I honestly am not a knowledgeable enough judge of music to form an informed opinion on the topic, but as a listener with at least some ability to appreciate the finer things I can say that I enjoy many new recordings but also enjoy many of the older ones (unless the sound quality is SO bad that it masks the performance).
I am beginning to understand, this is an audiophile thing, sorry, I guess I don't get it. No one said that old was better simply because it is old, but obviously you have a question as to why one might like a recording that is sonically inferior, I can't hope to answer that - that way lies madness.What has LOGIC got to do with it? We listen and make decisions. You have created some scenario that gives you a sense of professional progress. Why are today's conductors not as good as those 50 years ago? Given the decline of the art form in our culture why would you not suppose that logically once something loses its vitality it might decay?
Why do we have a billion dollar Fine Art world and no lasting contemporary art? We have Music schools and Art schools churning out thousands of creative minds every spring. On a different tact, is there a logical reason why the red tomato of my youth has been replaced by the watery terrible pinkish tomato of today? So now we can only buy the ripe red tomatoes in specialty stores? OK there's a reason for that, but it does not make sense to anyone who does not earn a living in the food industry. In other words (tortured as the analogy may have been), unless you apply some logic via listening then what good are any arguments in the abstract?
Gregg
I must not be communicating. This has nothing to do with being an audiophile, I am talking only about performance quality, and simply wondering whether the quality has really declined or whether the people who inevitably prefer the older recordings are influenced more by nostalgia than objective merit.
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