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I sometimes stray away from the almost 100% jazz diet and indulge in other music. Some of has been with me for years -
Mozart
Tom Waits
Dire Straits
Queen
Vivaldi
Beatles
Chris Rea
Bach
David Byrne
Bryan Ferry(the love that will never die)
while others I started listening to not long ago -
Hamza El Din
Berlioz-Symphonie Fatastique(my favorite is Klemperer~Philharmonia Orchestra, but I also have Colin Davis~London Symphony Orchestra and von Karajan~Berliner Philharmoniker records)
Indian music(both Indian proper and South American)
King Crimson
other esotheric music(I like obscure ethnic recordings, but can't stand most of the newer electronicly processed sounds laid over the original melodies, like Deep Forest, although I enjoy Dead Can Dance. Also I am cold to the jazz-house music, which does nothing to me - US3, St.Germain, etc)
Like I said in the beginning I almost exclusively listen to what is called Jazz music, but sometimes take on a mistress for a night or two :)
How about you?
Follow Ups:
I'm fickle. I'd estimate my listening breakdown something like this:Classical-45%
Celtic variants-30%
Bluegrass-15%
Jazz-5%
Other-5%
I can listen to Vaughan Williams's Sinfonia Antarctica, followed by Stevie Ray Vaughan's Couldn't Stand the Weather, followed by Captain Beefheart's Trout Mask Replica, followed by Miles's In a Silent Way, ad nauseum. I do avoid rap and "smooth jazz", and I have to admit I've never tried Chinese Opera.
Chet Atkins, followed by Roy Eldridge, followed by Hank Williams,
followed by Alfred Brendel. As Louis Armstrong observed a long
time ago, there are only 2 kinds of music: good and bad. But
jazz is still my first love.Mike
Once in awhile, I get a hankering for:
Hank Williams
Jerry Jeff Walker
Beatles
Byrds
Dylan
Joni
Elvis Costello
The Clash
Talking Heads
Dervish, Deanta
XTC
Buddy Guy
98% jazz (of which 98% recorded between 1946 and 1970). But, on occaision I do succumb to:Loudon WainwrightIII
Elvis Presley
Johnny Cash
Nancy Griffith
Hank Williams Sr.
George Jones
Bob Dylan
Van Morrison
Tom WaitsAnd, lately, at the urging of my wife I've been listening to a couple of rap albums (in my car), "Dr. Dre 2000" and "The Marshall Mathers LP" from Eminem. My wife is 45 years old, highly educated (MS in mechanical engineering from UC Berkeley), owns her own business and is a feminist, but she's hooked on Eminem. She tells me I'm stuck in the past and that I only listen to "dead" people and she keeps telling me Emimen and Dr.Dre are brilliant and true innovators and and I have to admit I don't really hate these records ("The Real Slim Shady" really grows on you), but after about 10 minutes I get back to Helen Merrill or Billie Holiday or Art Pepper and regain my composure.
PLEASE STAND UP!!!
The Disposable Heroes of HipHporisy- Hypocricy is the Greatest Luxury:Contains the classic "Television, the Drug of the Nation", "Famous and Dandy (Like Amos and Andy) sums up RAP rather well:
Being kicked in the mouth
or smiling with no teeth
They're both choices, yes
but it's impossible to eat
Uneducated, underdeveloped
Undisciplined but mostly unaware
We join the flavor of the month club
We swallow the flavor of the month
Well holding our crotch
was the flavor of the month
Bitch this Bitch that
was the flavor of the month
Being a thug
was the flavor of the month
Then no to drugs
was the flavor of the month
Kangol
was the flavor of the month
Rope gold
was the flavor of the month
Adidas shoes
was the flavor of the month
Then bashing Jews
was the flavor of the month
Gentrification
was the flavor of the month
Isolation
was the flavor of the month
My pockets are so empty I can feel my testicles
cause I spent all my money on some plastic African necklaces
and I still don't know what the colors mean...
RED, BLACK AND GREEN[Chorus:]
What will we do to become famous and dandy,
just like Amos 'n' AndyWhile you may not agree with their politics, this duo in 1991 were doomed to failure with sentiments such as these.
Well worth listening to, or at least reading some of their lyrics for a glimpse of RAP at its best- for some reason Michael Franti moved towards Jazz in his later efforts.
FYI, 'Television' was also recorded by Franti's previous outfit, The Beatnigs. It's a great little record, available on vinyl too for only $9! It's Virus 65, Alternative Tentacles Records. His Spearhead stuff is also worth looking into.
The important thing in music is to be trendy. Keep up with the what's happenin', you old foggie. The intrinsic quality of music - any and all music - is defined by what's most popular right now.May I suggest that you add death metal and rave to your playlist. They're quite popular and most of their adherants are still alive, meeting the only two things that matter in music. Oh, they have a good beat. That, too.
Thump own.
I don't think the intrinsic quality of music is defined by what's most popular right now. In fact, I beleive that one should only listen to artists that are either dead or work within the traditions of classical or jazz. I also don't think music should ever branch out beyond what is easy and comfortable for me to understand either. If someones taste in music extends beyond mine, I think the best way to steer them back to the path of musical truth is to be condescending and insulting. I have discovered that this seems to be the most effective way in really helping people.Paul
You think modern classical music is "easy and comfortable for me to understand"? Ever listen to even a second of Stockhousen? Boulez? Ol' Milton Babbitt? Or, any of their young, alive-today followers? Easy?
Whattayah, high?You think the completely atonal, aleatory performance by a local, informal and ever changing group of jazz players I heard last week at a club is "easy"? That stuff, shmengie, makes your crap Kid Rock, Eminem, Dre, Snoop Dawg, etc., sound like the dumb nursery-rhyme simpleton for the hormonal-pimple set that it is.
So, all I listen to is:
> > > either dead or work within the traditions of classical or jazz < < <OK, hero-boy. Here's THE BIG CHALLENGE:
You tell me what I should listen to in order that I expand my dead-white-and-black-guys horizons. Give me some suggestions. BUT:::::::::::::::::::::
Don't bother giving me the commercial, assembly-line-produced, pre-fabbed, Top-100, pre-digested crap that you rockers are just pissing all over yourselves with naive jubilation. I've heard it. Any one can listen to it. It's everywhere. How the hell do you think I evaluated it? Crap is crap. Some people recognize it. Most pick it up, bite, chew and swallow hard.
I didn't know you liked listening to Stockhausen, Boulez, or Babbitt! In the past you made it pretty clear that you rejected atonality in both classical and jazz and thought that serialism was a bunch of crap. (read your fourth paragraph)Who did you go see at the club?
> > You tell me what I should listen to in order that I expand my dead-
> > white-and-black-guys horizons. Give me some suggestions.Neward, didn't you read my last message? I am suggesting to you and everyone else to stop trying to expand your horizons. Jazz and classical 4-eva.
Paul
I hate Stockhausen and all of the rest of the radicals. But, before I reached a conclusion, I listened and listened and listened. I absorbed
and finally, when I had a really firm grasp of aesthetics and a handle on some shred of technical analysis, along with a mature, supremely confident sense of taste, I passed judgement. The judgement part, as un-post-60s-liberalism as it sounds, is something we all do.I've never discussed it because rock needs no extra help - IT NEEDS NO EXTRA ADVOCACY - but I've listened to and owned over a thousand rock records. Don't you think, after reading all of my posts, that I listened carefully before forming any opinions on the subject? If the secret must be told, I've probably listened to more rock, and a greater variety of it, than most of the rocking cowboys around here and including Audioreview.
> > > I am suggesting to you and everyone else to stop trying to expand your horizons. Jazz and classical 4-eva. < < <
Quit making fun of me. I'm very sensitive.
Thanks for the great response to yet another of the A-HOLE Neward's
moronic and hateful posts!What is really funny about this is that my wife is also a talented musician, a really good reed player (sax, oboe, clarinet) and quite proficient at the the piano as well. She loves all sorts of music from Wagner to Elvis and just about everything in between and is constantly looking for "quality" in a wide variety of different sorts of musical expression. I only wish I could be so "open-minded" (the opposite af our hateful curmudgeon, Neward--it must be wonderful to be "right" all of the time).
"The Real Slim Shady" is really an incredible piece of work and I doubt Neward has ever bothered to listen. No room in that closed mind for anything new, I'm afraid.
Your wife's qualifications hardly justify her narrow, myopic view of music. According to you, she said:> > > I'm stuck in the past and that I only listen to "dead" people and she keeps telling me Emimen and Dr.Dre are brilliant and true innovators < < <
The implication both from her statement and her actions, as you point them out (she doesn't just talk the talk; she walks the walk), is to dismiss the relevance and quality of any music that doesn't happen to be on the hit parade. These days that happens to be rap, an anti-musical pop sub-genre if there ever were one.
But what is the brilliance and true innovation that your reed-playing wif and you have, in your middle-aged yearning for hipness of youth discovered? Did you really seek any innovators to the core, such as
the following:Emergency Music
Bang On A Can
Industrial/NoiseOr, the countless, living, vital jazz players? Rock? What about the numerous progressive rock bands playing world wide? If, according to your brilliant, degreed, reed-playing wif, the only innovative musci of genius is new music by living musicians - did you fly to New York City to stalk the clubs where raw, super-innovative music is improvised nightly?
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!
Your brilliant wif and you did what every single complacent, over-fed,
SUV-owning consumer of mass-produced, pre-packaged culture does: you swallowed the hit parade. You actually gulped down the flavor of the month and pronounced it genius.I'm driven by a desire for good music. Current or not. Today's Dr. Dre is tommorow's "Yummy Yummy Yummy"; disposable pop effluvia of no musical value whatsoever. Unlike you two, my drive for music doesn't end with a sorry attempt to ape my teenagers. I suggest, before you go
spraying profanities around; before you comfortably consider yourself cool because you've checked into the same thump-thump merde that the
hormonal pube across the street listens to; that you investigate REAL MUSIC OF GENIUS.
Those who like Eminem simply because he is popular are no different from those who do not like him for the same reason. Either way, the masses are making up your mind. If you dislike him for some other reason, you certainly did not make it clear from the above tirade.I think the Marshall Mathers LP is a great accomplishment. It was clearly the best album of the 5 grammy nominees, but they decided to give that honor to "Aja", albeit 22 years to late. The MMLP was unlike anything I've heard in popular music in quite some time. Given pop's carefully controlled formulas, that's quite a feat. I don't give a shit if it sold 1 copy or 100 million.
--> TR
I frankly can't understand how anyone could listen exclusively to jazz. I do listen to it and enjoy it so this is not a jazz bash. But constant jazz makes me feel like I've moved into a bar and switched back to my diet of Scotch and cigarettes. By the end of a week I'd be suicidal. I couldn't listen to an all jazz diet anymore than I could listen to classical in all minor keys.
Steve
Posted by SR (i) on March 08, 2001 - I frankly can't understand how anyone could listen exclusively to jazz.I don't understand that either, but as that someone I must say - I wouldn't dream of anything else! At a certain point it stops beind just "music".
I'm almost always faithful to my love, but, of course, there are exceptions like -
Bach
Mozart
Vivaldi
The Beatles
Indian Classical
Rabih Abou Khalil
Sinatra
Zappa
Probably there are a few more but I have a terrible hedache and am going to sleep...
My list would be short.... does that make me a little bit faithful?
Besides, though there is no substitute for my one true love - Jazz, I've loved each of the others in their own way as well.Bach
The Byrds
Leonard Cohen
Gordon Lightfoot
Kate Bush
Van Morrison
Darol Anger (newgrass, but almost jazz)
Dylan
Fairport ConventionMM
"Fairport Convention"Oh my god! I had to sit through 2 sets of FC at the Bottom Line a few years ago, because the girl I was dating liked their stuff. Or so she said. That concert alone was enough for me to start running in the direction of Brooklyn. Nothing personal, maybe it was the late version of the FC, but...no, no more jumping men with red beards and songs with the word "lass" in them :))))
A few years ago would have been a tamed down, gentle version of Fairport that is but a pale shadow of the adventurous early or even middle years that I am speaking of. I don't remember the years, late 60's, early 70s - but I saw them many times at The Fillmore East - the days of Swarbrick on fiddle, Sandy Denny on vocals, The Daves - Matticks and Pegg, who were the rhythm section then, and may still be. Simon Nicol and even the amazing Richard Thompson. I don't know about songs with the word "lass" in them - these were days of "Matty Groves" and "Tam Lin" - wonderful, clever narratives, full of magic. Have you ever treated yourself to a listen to the story of Matty Groves? Here's a sample:
"Little Matty Groves, he lay down and took a little sleep,
When he awoke Lord Donald, was standing at his feet,
Saying 'How do you like my feather bed, and how do you like my sheets,
How do you like my lady, who lies in your arms asleep?''Oh well, I like your feather bed, and well I like your sheets,
but better I like your lady, who lies in my arms asleep''Get up! Get up!' Lord Donald cried, 'Get up as quick as you can.
It will never be said in fair England, I slew a naked man.'
'Well I can't get up, I won't get up, I can't get up for my life,
For you have two long beating swords, and I not a pocket-knife.''Well it's true I have two beating swords, and they cost me deep in the purse,
But you will have the better of them, and I will have the worst.
And you will strike the very first blow, and strike it like a man,
And I will strike the very next blow, and I'll kill you if I can.'So Matty struck the very first blow, and he hurt Lord Donald sore.
Lord Donald struck the very next blow, and Matty struck no more...."It goes on a bit more, but I guess you had to hear Sandy Denny singing it anyway, with Swarbrick fiddling away like a madman. Fairport endures, but has become a somewhat safe institution, rather than the revolution that first combined English folk songs with the eclectic rock sound of the late 60's.
Remember your own criterion for this thread, Dmitry - you were looking for a divergence - something out of the ordinary for us. A "guilty pleasure" perhaps?
Funky. I like it. To be perfectly honest that FC show sucked to untrained ears. I was the only one in the audience of 20 who was lass than 45y.o. and I was the only one who didn't know Fairport Convention from Silver Convention :) Maybe I'll borrow a cd from someone; a lot of people seem to like FC.
The following lyrics are from Willy Deville's Miracle album -Spanish Jack
Spanish Jack had a Cadillac
That he always parked around the corner
He wore his hat tipped to the side
Like a pimp on Easter morningI was on the street that Saturday night
When they all claim they saw him
In his cowboy shoes and shantung suit
And the night was young in AugustHis lady's name was Sunny Day
She had Jack tattoed on her shoulder
Jack played cards with Gentleman Jim
And Sunny did everything Jack told herGentleman Jim won Jack's watch and chain
In a badly dealt game of poker
Then Sunny Day kind of moved away
As the last hand hit the tableJack he had a pair of nines
And the Gentleman showed three aces
You took my watch and chain and now my gold tipped cane
Put both your hands up on the tableWe can settle this thing in a gentleman's way
Let's just step outside the doorway
The night was warm and they looked at the stars
But only one would see the morningThere's nothing lower than a cheat at cards
Especially at poker
Before the Gentleman he could cheat again
The Spaniard pulled out his revolverSpanish Jack shot Gentleman dead
And the shots sounded loud as thunder
And when the smoke it cleared Gentleman Jim lay dead
This was his last game of pokerJack filled Jim with so much lead
It took six men to move him over
So full of lead and oozing red
They stole the boots right off his bodyIf you're gonna play a game of cards
Be sure with who you're gambling
This game of chance you can never win
If Spanish Jack is at the tableA bit similar to the one you quoted, no?
I first heard DeVille in a film "The Rachel Papers"(Martin Amis book is recommended as well), the song was "The Assassin of Love", I loved it! Couldn't find it for the longest time, then found the cd, which was cowritten by THE Mark Knopfler, bought it, listened to it, taped the cd, returned it(which I now regret). The only songs I liked on it were written by MK(above too). Then I bought 2 or 3 other WdV cds, but sold them off, because they were much weaker musically. If you ever see the "Miracle" cd - buy it, if you won't like it, I'll take it off your hands."Remember your own criterion for this thread, Dmitry - you were looking for a divergence - something out of the ordinary for us. A "guilty pleasure" perhaps?"
No complaints here. To be on the level, I love ABBA, so, there, take my Kind of Blue priviledges away. I admit it. I also sometimes listen to Deep Purple, Nina Hagen, Iron Maiden, Judas Priest. For old times sake.
If you do - go for either "Leige and Lief" or "Full House". Those were from their best period, and boast some of the names I mentioned. Either are available on CD, I think.MM
Thanks. I'll ask a friend who should have these.
I once sat through at least 12 hours (well, it certainly seemed like 12) of Cages "Works for Prepared Piano".Personally. I prefer the piano to be caught totally by surprise.
Richard Thompson! How could I forget him? The things I've heard him do with a guitar, either acoustic or electric - would make even a jazz musician proud. Infinitely skilled guitarist, songwriter, and vocalist.There... now I'm done.
MM
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