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ICE H2O Amplifier S-250 Amplifier (SS)

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In Reply to: REVIEW: ICE H2O Amplifier S-250 Amplifier (SS) posted by amandarae on February 23, 2005 at 00:48:48:

Can somebody explain to me why it takes an electronic device 300 hours to "break in?"
And if it does why wouldn't the manufacturer "break in" the item before it went to the customer?
And if it does how does the listener know this is actually "break in" vice a normal aural adjustment over a long memory time?
And if it does, does the "break-in" procedure stop at that point with no more improvement...or perhaps deterioration?
Just one of the many things that bug me. Grin.
Davey.

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Re: ICE H2O Amplifier S-250 Amplifier (SS) - akino 05:06:07 02/24/05 (0)
I had these same thoughts at one time.
Being skeptical, I setup a "breakin" device in the garage. ( An old Yammy receiver) I burn in cables there now, hanging a resistor on the end of the wire and letting it run for a week or so. This eliminates the aural adjustment and memory time from the equation. Dont know why, but I'm a believer. The garage is a great place. ;> ) amandarea used it for his ice amp.
Its easier to hear the difference of a before and after, than a slow over time normal break in??? For me it is.
Cheers,
Andy
Re: ICE H2O Amplifier S-250 Amplifier (SS) - monk1 12:03:32 02/23/05 (0)
A user can normally expect some product performance variations, sometimes even failure (initial mortality) when such product is brand new. That is consistent with product reliability statisitcs typically used in engineering practice. I suspect some of the "breaking in" may also be the human brain coming to terms with the new reality. I have in the past experienced many instances when the product sounded best new out of the box and then degrades after a few hundred hours of operation. Am I more prone to change components over time? Maybe the psychologists here can elaborate.
monk
Re: ICE H2O Amplifier S-250 Amplifier (SS) - amandarae 10:38:55 02/23/05 (0)
Hi Davey,
I will try my best.
1.) Crystal lattices, dielectic material, magnetic orientation. All conductors where current flows has a crystalline like structure in which the flow of current should be establish. Dielectric material is like a capacitor where it charges and discharges when electricity runs through it. The amount of which dictates the necessary period to established the so called "balance". Magnetic orientation, since current is a vector (i.e. magnetic and electric) whose component is 90 degrees from each other and perpendiculat to the direction of the flow, material like resistors, wires, etc. that are close to each other will have an effect on each other's magnetic field and all the dielectric surrounding them.
2.)Time. Besides, who wants to pay for a brand new price and received a used product.
3.)If you sit down and listen 24/7 for so many days or weeks, yeah probably. What I am referring to is as you listen to it day by day or after a week or so, the improvement is noticeable. Not to be confused with aural memory or some sort.
4.)Once the patch, or level is established (i.e. memory for the caps, the best route to the lattices etc.)it is repeatable almost instantaneously. Unless of course a new component is added to the environment.

Those are all I know. I could be wrong of course since I am no authorithy on the subject matter you try to ask. I post my answers base on my understanding only. Others more knowledgable can correct me for sure.
regards
Breaking in the H2O is fun - muralman1 09:06:35 02/23/05 (2)
I've had my H2O monos for more than half a year. I don't know when they stopped getting better. Frankly, I don't care. I had gone through the break in dance with another manufacturer's ICE amp. I was more patient the second time around. I can't say why class D amps need more real break in time than other designs. They just do. With the reward so great in the end, I don't mind waiting. Besides, witnessing the transformation is so gratifying.
- Re: Breaking in the H2O is fun - Davey 09:18:12 02/23/05 (1)
  I dunno Vince....it's just one of many things that cause me to raise my eyebrow in skepticism. When the answer to a "why" question is "it just does" I'm perplexed.
  Davey.
  - Re: Breaking in the H2O is fun - muralman1 10:00:24 02/23/05 (0)
    Davey, I always prided myself as being a hard nosed skeptic. If I can't apply the scientific method to a Faraday Law bound mechanism, then what?????? I remember having self congratulatory conversations with Henry over the speciousness of cable tweaking, and break in "myth."
    Then Henry built the H2O. I had already told him my eAR amp had sounded like wheez out of the box. That had me perplexed. I don't think he took me seriously. Henry is an electronics engineer - nuts and bolts all the way.
    Now, with the obvious need for patience on first listen to the brand new H2O, Henry is whistling a new tune. He doesn't have a clue as to why, just that it is.
    Read all the reviews. They all say the same thing. Amarandae is yet another voice saying breaking the H2O in is part of the process.

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