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• They are both right actually - Schu 05:18:28 02/20/07 (2)
  In Reply to: Thanks for the reality check.... posted by Sean on February 19, 2007 at 15:25:50:

  I think Jon's point was that the final result needs to actually sound good even if it measures well. Jon's first point was that it is difficult to trust somebody else's measurements. One subtle point that I got out of it was that there can be very subtle changes which can make all the difference yet still have the graphs, etc, look rather similar. Translation; You need to listen. That's what the customers do.

  I think Richard is correct in that measurements DO matter, but they are not the only thing. I have been building speakers for 29 years but couldn't really match what I considered decent high end speakers until I got my own measuring and test equipment. Richard is correct when he talks about room treatments and speaker setup too. It makes a huge difference... bigger than component choices and almost as big as the speaker choice.

  I think we have two rather intelligent folks here yet one is a very cautious even-keeled personality where the other is gregarious and over the top and may sometimes forget to take his medication. You can guess which one cracks me up sometimes. ;)

  They both give good advice but Jon's is confidently understated while Richard jams his down your throat like giving a dog a pill. He did that to me once and I went off and experimented and found that Richard was right. I do have to wonder if Richard took Jon's post as if Jon was saying that measurements don't matter. My take was that although they do matter, one must listen too. It's funny that most of the folks who state this are the ones whose bread-and-butter is a function of how good their speakers are. Follow the money...

  Bill

  
  
  

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  • "Jon's (advice) is confidently understated while Richard jams his down your throat like giving a dog a pill." - Richard BassNut Greene 07:35:31 02/20/07 (1)
    In Reply to: They are both right actually posted by Schu on February 20, 2007 at 05:18:28:

    Next time I'll wrap the pill in bacon.

    To use the word "Jon" (Risch) and "understated" in the same sentence seems unusual because he claims to have such incredible hearing ability that he can hear differences among one dozen different wire insulation materials under double-blind conditions with high scores and can rank-order those materials by sound quality.

    I, on the other hand, tried to replicate his alleged wire experiment but could never find speaker cables that were identical except for their insulation materials.

    I did get to compare a $1000 Tara Labs speaker cable with $10 of 14AWG Radio Shack speaker wire and heard no difference, along with almost one-dozen other audio club members.

    I didn't write a white paper about the test, get it peer-reviewed and published in an audio journal ... but only because a pitcher of beer was spilled on the data sheets.
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    Richard BassNut Greene
    Subjective Audiophile 2007
    
    

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    • Much like you do BassNut, when the subject is subwoofers. NT - franjy 13:59:49 02/20/07 (0)
      In Reply to: "Jon's (advice) is confidently understated while Richard jams his down your throat like giving a dog a pill." posted by Richard BassNut Greene on February 20, 2007 at 07:35:31:

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